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Topic:  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 5/29/2020 11:10:36 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Other schools with four or less wins in 2019 that would have qualified. D7 Conotton Valley, D6 East canton, D5 Chesapeake, D4 Cardinal Mooney and Field. D3 Archbishop McNicholas at 3-7. Say what you want, but getting in the football playoffs with three wins, just does not seem right?


It does to me but the wild thing is some of those teams might actually win a first round game, considering the top 4 seeds get byes. Two of the teams that McNick beat went on to go 15-5 in the regular season. 5 of their 7 losses were to playoff teams so they were battle-tested. But they may be more of an outlier I think.


Last year the best team in OHIO in DII was Winston Woods, they did not make the playoffs, but look at the schedule and the teams they did beat.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 5/30/2020 9:16:14 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I say it is a money grab along with a security thing.

Money Grab: 4 more schools will get to host another playoff game. Another week of ticket sales for local sites that will be home games that go to OHSAA. Allows for officials to work another week of football. Allows for schools to take advantage for concessions and parking revenue.

Security: Like someone else said, can't fire a coach if they make the playoffs. Waters down the damn thing. At this point, go back to six 11-man divisions, and make Division VII 8 man football.

As someone else also mentioned, I bet within 3 years they're going to argue for a system similar to basketball, where the seeds place themselves on the bracket. That bye week does no one favors and to tell a team to go from playing games to having two weeks off could very easily kill the mojo of teams in a hurry. If betting were allowed on HS football, I would take the best of the 5-8 seeds more often than a Top 4 seed to get to the Final Four of the playoffs due to staying in rhythm. Only way I'd elect to take a bye is if I had a boatload of injuries/suspensions that would need to be taken care of.


Not sure many districts allow placement on the bracket any longer. It was that way in Akron for many years but down here in the SE district it's get seeded and you go to your assigned spot on the bracket.



Only the SE uses pre slotted brackets.


Looking at the brackets it looks like the NE district does too.

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Bobcat1996
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 5/30/2020 9:27:53 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Other schools with four or less wins in 2019 that would have qualified. D7 Conotton Valley, D6 East canton, D5 Chesapeake, D4 Cardinal Mooney and Field. D3 Archbishop McNicholas at 3-7. Say what you want, but getting in the football playoffs with three wins, just does not seem right?


It does to me but the wild thing is some of those teams might actually win a first round game, considering the top 4 seeds get byes. Two of the teams that McNick beat went on to go 15-5 in the regular season. 5 of their 7 losses were to playoff teams so they were battle-tested. But they may be more of an outlier I think.


Last year the best team in OHIO in DII was Winston Woods, they did not make the playoffs, but look at the schedule and the teams they did beat.


Winton Woods went 6-3 and barely got edged out as a nine seed. They were probably more deserving than say Gahanna who won 3 games and would have got in and two wins were against a one win Lancaster and a two win team. Three win teams getting a spot in the playoffs are a bad look.

Last Edited: 5/30/2020 9:29:35 AM by Bobcat1996

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 5/30/2020 9:45:18 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Other schools with four or less wins in 2019 that would have qualified. D7 Conotton Valley, D6 East canton, D5 Chesapeake, D4 Cardinal Mooney and Field. D3 Archbishop McNicholas at 3-7. Say what you want, but getting in the football playoffs with three wins, just does not seem right?


It does to me but the wild thing is some of those teams might actually win a first round game, considering the top 4 seeds get byes. Two of the teams that McNick beat went on to go 15-5 in the regular season. 5 of their 7 losses were to playoff teams so they were battle-tested. But they may be more of an outlier I think.


Last year the best team in OHIO in DII was Winston Woods, they did not make the playoffs, but look at the schedule and the teams they did beat.


Winton Woods went 6-3 and barely got edged out as a nine seed. They were probably more deserving than say Gahanna who won 3 games and would have got in and two wins were against a one win Lancaster and a two win team. Three win teams getting a spot in the playoffs are a bad look.


6-3, look who their losses were to and the beat the DII Champion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 5/30/2020 9:47:10 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I say it is a money grab along with a security thing.

Money Grab: 4 more schools will get to host another playoff game. Another week of ticket sales for local sites that will be home games that go to OHSAA. Allows for officials to work another week of football. Allows for schools to take advantage for concessions and parking revenue.

Security: Like someone else said, can't fire a coach if they make the playoffs. Waters down the damn thing. At this point, go back to six 11-man divisions, and make Division VII 8 man football.

As someone else also mentioned, I bet within 3 years they're going to argue for a system similar to basketball, where the seeds place themselves on the bracket. That bye week does no one favors and to tell a team to go from playing games to having two weeks off could very easily kill the mojo of teams in a hurry. If betting were allowed on HS football, I would take the best of the 5-8 seeds more often than a Top 4 seed to get to the Final Four of the playoffs due to staying in rhythm. Only way I'd elect to take a bye is if I had a boatload of injuries/suspensions that would need to be taken care of.


Not sure many districts allow placement on the bracket any longer. It was that way in Akron for many years but down here in the SE district it's get seeded and you go to your assigned spot on the bracket.



Only the SE uses pre slotted brackets.


Looking at the brackets it looks like the NE district does too.



Yes, due to their large geographic footprint. Push to get all districts doing the same. Home sites v neutral sites is another disparity between various Districts.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 6/5/2020 4:57:20 PM 
I really donít know the right answer. There are regions where you have 14 quality teams and others where there are four. I covered five-win teams in the MAC that were good enough to beat every other team in D6 outside their conference. And at times the footprints seem ridiculous. Not much you can do about it, though. Itís like if you paired NCAA tournament games based on colleges being in the same state.

Last Edited: 6/5/2020 5:00:21 PM by .

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: OHSAA expands HS playoffs to 12 teams per region
   Posted: 6/5/2020 9:39:01 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I say it is a money grab along with a security thing.

Money Grab: 4 more schools will get to host another playoff game. Another week of ticket sales for local sites that will be home games that go to OHSAA. Allows for officials to work another week of football. Allows for schools to take advantage for concessions and parking revenue.

Security: Like someone else said, can't fire a coach if they make the playoffs. Waters down the damn thing. At this point, go back to six 11-man divisions, and make Division VII 8 man football.

As someone else also mentioned, I bet within 3 years they're going to argue for a system similar to basketball, where the seeds place themselves on the bracket. That bye week does no one favors and to tell a team to go from playing games to having two weeks off could very easily kill the mojo of teams in a hurry. If betting were allowed on HS football, I would take the best of the 5-8 seeds more often than a Top 4 seed to get to the Final Four of the playoffs due to staying in rhythm. Only way I'd elect to take a bye is if I had a boatload of injuries/suspensions that would need to be taken care of.



I don't agree that a bye week is something that may not be attractive to a lot of teams. Maybe some teams would elect to play the extra game, but I'd imagine a lot of schools, particularly outside the very largest programs would benefit from a week getting healthy. A lot of high school teams lack depth.

Last Edited: 6/5/2020 9:39:35 PM by The Optimist


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