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Topic:  RE: Way too early look at 2020
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AlumDadDad
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/10/2020 11:05:04 AM 
L.C. wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
So basically, you're projecting this ...

Not exactly. Surely Ohio will not lose to Texas State a second time, so I will change that one. I also think that in addition to losing to UB, they go 2-2 on the road in the MAC. That figures out to 7.5-5.5 with 5 pickem games. Go 3-2 and they are 8-4. Go 1-4, they get to 6-6. Go 4-1 they are 9-3.

NC Central - W
at BC - L
Marshall - W/L
at Texas St - W

Akron - W
BG - W
UB - L
EMU - W

at Miami - L/W
at Kent - L/W
at CMU - L/w
at Toledo - L/W

I expect Buffalo to lose a game, and given that they play in Athens, a win by Ohio is possible, and certainly BC is not so good that they are out of the question. In my mind it depends more on the defense than anything. If they can get stops when they need them in close games, the Bobcats can win any of these. If they can't, then it will be at the low end of my projections.


My put on this would be that UB in Athens is a pick-em. Based on my opinion, 5 of our 8 conference games could easily go either way. Parity - we have arrived.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/10/2020 2:37:56 PM 
Yes parity has arrived and except for maybe Akron, all teams can beat any other team on a given day.
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Sam bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/11/2020 11:21:04 PM 
AlumDadDad wrote:


I also see great potential for our defense next year. The key there will be for the DL to keep the opponents OL off our linebackers. A healty, in-shape Daxon should help there. If LBs like Thompson, Dorsa, and McCrory are free to make plays, then we shouldn't have to rely on a safety to be out top tackler.



Conner has been second guessed and over looked his whole life. Even finishing the season second in tackles behind Hagan gets him little respect. He may not look like the 3 linebackers you named, but I have no doubt hell make some plays next year too!
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/12/2020 12:15:22 PM 
Sam bobcat wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:


I also see great potential for our defense next year. The key there will be for the DL to keep the opponents OL off our linebackers. A healty, in-shape Daxon should help there. If LBs like Thompson, Dorsa, and McCrory are free to make plays, then we shouldn't have to rely on a safety to be out top tackler.



Conner has been second guessed and over looked his whole life. Even finishing the season second in tackles behind Hagan gets him little respect. He may not look like the 3 linebackers you named, but I have no doubt hell make some plays next year too!

Just keep in mind the way it works psychologically. It is a team game, not an individual game. If the defense as a group had been dominant this year, people would be looking at the players that accomplished it, and excited about having them back. When the defense wasn't dominant for most of the season, people instead look to to the young players in the hopes of a dominant defense in the future. Also remember that people especially remember and appreciate the players that turn things around, and go from a weak defense to a strong one, like the 2006 team which turned a 4-7 2005 team into a MAC East Champion team in 2006. I bet most people who have been around that long can name at least 6 of the players on the 2006 team, but those same people couldn't name 6 from the 2007 team.

The defense needs to work hard over the winter and came back in the fall with an attitude, and make a name for themselves. Blowing up BG and Akron, and then getting some key stops against Nevada is a place to build from. Now they need to come back and lead Ohio to a MACC, and everyone will remember them a long time.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/13/2020 2:43:24 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Sam bobcat wrote:
AlumDadDad wrote:


I also see great potential for our defense next year. The key there will be for the DL to keep the opponents OL off our linebackers. A healty, in-shape Daxon should help there. If LBs like Thompson, Dorsa, and McCrory are free to make plays, then we shouldn't have to rely on a safety to be out top tackler.



Conner has been second guessed and over looked his whole life. Even finishing the season second in tackles behind Hagan gets him little respect. He may not look like the 3 linebackers you named, but I have no doubt hell make some plays next year too!

Just keep in mind the way it works psychologically. It is a team game, not an individual game. If the defense as a group had been dominant this year, people would be looking at the players that accomplished it, and excited about having them back. When the defense wasn't dominant for most of the season, people instead look to to the young players in the hopes of a dominant defense in the future. Also remember that people especially remember and appreciate the players that turn things around, and go from a weak defense to a strong one, like the 2006 team which turned a 4-7 2005 team into a MAC East Champion team in 2006. I bet most people who have been around that long can name at least 6 of the players on the 2006 team, but those same people couldn't name 6 from the 2007 team.

The defense needs to work hard over the winter and came back in the fall with an attitude, and make a name for themselves. Blowing up BG and Akron, and then getting some key stops against Nevada is a place to build from. Now they need to come back and lead Ohio to a MACC, and everyone will remember them a long time.



If Ohio wins the MACC in 2020, I'll not only remember the defense ... I'll remember the 17th string long-snapper.

The defense as a whole has been head-scratching since that 2016 season. I cannot for the life of me figure out why our secondary is as atrocious as it is. The refusal to turn their heads in coverage baffles the s**t out of me. I hope I don't have to watch another Motley get beat with their back to the QB next year ... or watch as a safety gets carried down the field for 12 extra yards because all they're trying to do is strip the ball rather than tackle the ball-carrier. I'm all for trying to cause turnovers ... but trying to decapitate people or just stripping the ball only gets your further from the fundamental foundation of just simple tackling. It's not like they were great ballhawks, either. Only 5 INTs all year. Gross.

I'd also like to see Will Evans and someone else become a more effective edge rusher. Conrad showed some promise with 4 sacks. Hell, just find anyone to pressure the QB. Ohio had only 21 sacks on the year ... less than 2 a game. The LBs only had 6 of those.

This unit is certainly in need of an overhaul. I'm not sure it's 100% personnel or if it's coaching/strategy? Either way ... there's room for serious improvement. If they're just a tick better this year ... Ohio might have beat Miami, WMU and NIU and potentially won the MAC. That's how little the separation was this year.

Not so sure it's as razor thin next year ... the league "should" be much better, especially the East. So the defense is just one piece of the puzzle. But if they don't improve ... there's only so much the offense and special teams (which both have serious questions) can do to mask their inefficiencies.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/13/2020 9:58:45 PM 
I think we should be ok with the running backs and receiver core. My guess is the Bobcats get back to the bread and butter with the youth at Qb. That is they run the ball down the other teams throat from game 1 until the bowl game. That is when Ohio is at its best. We got a little pass happy the last couple years and that our MO. We run the ball like we did in the bowl game we should help the defense stay off the field. The key is the defense stepping up and forcing more turnovers and getting stops on third downs. The lines improve we should be more than good.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/14/2020 10:23:16 AM 
In our defense linebackers are supposed to make lots of tackles. If they are bringing down ball carriers 7-10 yards down field then they are simply "chasers". Hold your ground, shed blockers, be physical.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/14/2020 12:57:44 PM 
#35 has been the strong side linebacker on the field for the last 3 bowl wins. If they had a better one hed be out there. Lol unbelievable. And doing it with a 3.98 gpa in pre med. kid has out worked and out performed all yall. Keep doubting!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/14/2020 7:33:04 PM 
Sam bobcat wrote:
#35 has been the strong side linebacker on the field for the last 3 bowl wins. If they had a better one hed be out there. Lol unbelievable. And doing it with a 3.98 gpa in pre med. kid has out worked and out performed all yall. Keep doubting!


And probably a Captain next year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/18/2020 10:32:32 AM 
Agree with comments on the defense and the bowl game. Young players including LBs Thompson, McCrory, and DT McCracken looked explosive at times.

S Jarren Hampton had really good moments this year and I'd say is one of the top returning defensive players from last year. I look forward to seeing how he does next season.

A key defensive player for next season is Kaieem Caesar. He has a nice blend of power and agility for his size. He was hurt last offseason I heard...hope he is all in this offseason and comes back in 2020 a beast.

I'd like to see the defensive play calling change to be more aggressive. During the bowl we appeared to blitz more and had some good moments. Our defense is very easy to read, and the weakest elements can be exploited regularly.

We need to get more pressure from our defensive ends. DE Austin Conrad, a backup to start last season, is the clear number one going into 2020 and the best playmaker. Ogun-semore still has two seasons and I think there is still a chance he is an explosive player.

The offensive playmakers as a group should be in the conversation for the best in the MAC: i'll take our group of TEs, RBs, and WRs over anyone else in the MAC. Our interior line should be strong. The offense would probably look different under Kurtis Rourke, at least early on, because I heard that, compared with Nathan at this stage of his career, Kurtis is a better passer but not as good of a runner. Kurtis inherits a ton of skill players and could flourish early on.

I heard QB CJ Harris was an early Enrollee and is a dual threat which would fit our recent offensive style...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/18/2020 7:39:52 PM 
This year and it all boiled down to OUr D.

Not bad but not championship material.

Next year with an improved D I think it all boils down to OUr QB.

Stay tuned.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/19/2020 12:28:46 AM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
This year and it all boiled down to OUr D.

Not bad but not championship material.

Next year with an improved D I think it all boils down to OUr QB.

Stay tuned.


I think it'll also boil down, once again, to coaching too.

Gotta find a way to win meaningful games in November. Been Achilles heel last three years for sure ... and many other seasons
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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/26/2020 9:33:20 AM 
Let's suppose our new QB's completion % is at 70% or above, an improvement over the 60% of his predecessor.
Would this stat change any ones prediction for 2020?




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  Message Not Read  RE: Way too early look at 2020
   Posted: 1/26/2020 2:48:52 PM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
Let's suppose our new QB's completion % is at 70% or above, an improvement over the 60% of his predecessor.
Would this stat change any ones prediction for 2020?




GO BOBCATS

If you told me that the defense would get stops 70% or above of the time when the need a stop in the last 2 minutes of the game, that would change my prediction.


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