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Topic:  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
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Victory
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/21/2019 11:16:47 PM 
Georgia Tech is doing the 6-6 G5 teams a slight favor. If North Carolina St. beats North Carolina next week now neither would go. There is a realistic chance of there being only 80 or less eligible teams.
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/22/2019 2:12:13 AM 
I remember the days when folks on this bored chastising the old 6 win get a Bowl system. Interesting how perspective changes sometimes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/22/2019 3:07:26 PM 
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.

Last Edited: 11/22/2019 3:08:01 PM by Alan Swank

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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 8:55:45 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.
Looks like only 80, I think-not 86

Last Edited: 11/23/2019 11:15:14 AM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 10:45:47 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 10:53:57 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.



Like so much today, it’s about filling TV time. They need(?) content.
Anyway, if you’re 6-6 going in, it’s going to end up a winning or losing season. I’d rather have a winning one.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 10:58:37 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.



I think that there are 78 slots....Someone correct me if I am missing something.

I totally get the too many bowls argument. I would understand cutting it back so only conference champs and/or top 15 teams make it. What I don't get is the people who want to cut out 10 to 15 bowls so there are only 50 or 60 slots. Is there much difference between team #60 and team #80? And when we are deciding WHICH of the eligible teams is sitting home there is no committee doing intense analysis as there is for playoff inclusion. Inclusion doesn't have anything to do with which team is most deserving. It has to do with TV ratings and which school is 100 miles away from a bowl site instead of 1000 miles. The argument that we need to cut out a few bowls so that a few MORE teams can be left out by purely arbitrary measures that have nothing to do with merit is just ludicrous.

Let's cut back to 10 or 15 bowls and allow the playoff committee to decide who gets them or let's keep 39 or 40.



Last Edited: 11/23/2019 11:03:20 AM by Victory

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 11:06:30 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.



ESPN is just looking for content. Way too much airtime to fill.
Anyway, going in 6-6, you’re going to come out with a winning or losing season. I’d rather have a winning one.
If you don’t like the games, you don’t have to watch. I still think most games are as interesting as most regular season games, because you’re seeing teams that don’t normally play and you never know what to expect.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 11:14:03 AM 
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.



I think that there are 78 slots....Someone correct me if I am missing something.

I totally get the too many bowls argument. I would understand cutting it back so only conference champs and/or top 15 teams make it. What I don't get is the people who want to cut out 10 to 15 bowls so there are only 50 or 60 slots. Is there much difference between team #60 and team #80? And when we are deciding WHICH of the eligible teams is sitting home there is no committee doing intense analysis as there is for playoff inclusion. Inclusion doesn't have anything to do with which team is most deserving. It has to do with TV ratings and which school is 100 miles away from a bowl site instead of 1000 miles. The argument that we need to cut out a few bowls so that a few MORE teams can be left out by purely arbitrary measures that have nothing to do with merit is just ludicrous.

Let's cut back to 10 or 15 bowls and allow the playoff committee to decide who gets them or let's keep 39 or 40.





You’re closer than I was, there are 80 slots I think, not 86 as I stated above
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 11:51:48 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.




If you don’t like the games, you don’t have to watch.


That's kind of a "love it or leave" argument. It's not about liking the games or not. If we go and depending when the game is, I'll certainly watch it. It's about the distorted sense of achievement making a bowl game presents plus the use of very tight resources to play one more game. And then there's the issue of the band, a group under suspension, a group that will have it's grades in hand long before the bowl game is played. Tough to make an academic argument at that point in time.

Last Edited: 11/23/2019 12:20:12 PM by Alan Swank

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 11:54:23 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
If Buffalo, Toledo and Eastern win, there will be 6 7 and 5 teams. Not sure we get an inviation at 6 and 6.


If Victory’s post above is true, no problem getting in with 86 openings, 6-6 gets you in.


Which is as clear an indication as there is that there are too many bowls and that the dumbing down of expectations that making a bowl is a big deal is like the artificial belief in inteligence advanced by grade inflation. Going .500 isn't that big a deal. It's not a winning season or a losing season.



I think that there are 78 slots....Someone correct me if I am missing something.

I totally get the too many bowls argument. I would understand cutting it back so only conference champs and/or top 15 teams make it. What I don't get is the people who want to cut out 10 to 15 bowls so there are only 50 or 60 slots. Is there much difference between team #60 and team #80? And when we are deciding WHICH of the eligible teams is sitting home there is no committee doing intense analysis as there is for playoff inclusion. Inclusion doesn't have anything to do with which team is most deserving. It has to do with TV ratings and which school is 100 miles away from a bowl site instead of 1000 miles. The argument that we need to cut out a few bowls so that a few MORE teams can be left out by purely arbitrary measures that have nothing to do with merit is just ludicrous.

Let's cut back to 10 or 15 bowls and allow the playoff committee to decide who gets them or let's keep 39 or 40.





You’re closer than I was, there are 80 slots I think, not 86 as I stated above


There are 78. The two slots in the national championship game are filled by teams from other bowl games.

Colorado State was eliminated last night, so that's one less potential 6-6 team.

Bowl participants have never been decided by which team was most deserving. It's all about tie-ins and, more recently, TV ratings. For decades the B10 sent only its champion to a bowl game -- the Rose Bowl. Back then they had ten teams and they played only eight conference games, so each didn't play all the other teams in the conference. If they had co-champs, just one went. As I recall one year they had co-champs that went undefeated or had only one loss each. So one co-champ stayed home while two- or three-loss teams from other conferences went to a bowl. Even in the '90s some 6-5 teams from "P" conferences went to bowl games while seven-win teams from other "P" conferences stayed home.


Actually, the phrase is "Ohio on the Charles."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/23/2019 11:00:22 PM 
Ohio will crush Akron, will get a bowl bid, will face a mediocre opponent in a boring bowl, will win the bowl, and will possibly be the MAC's only bowl winner yet again.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bowl picture (11/17)
   Posted: 11/24/2019 1:24:07 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Ohio will crush Akron, will get a bowl bid, will face a mediocre opponent in a boring bowl, will win the bowl, and will possibly be the MAC's only bowl winner yet again.



Sounds good to me.
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