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Ohio69
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Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/18/2018 3:29:07 PM

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24131628/...

Nobody: Hey, lets make sure everone is talking about college football and CTE this week.

Larry Fedora: Hold my beer.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

cbus cat fan
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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/18/2018 9:51:51 PM

Very interesting Ohio69, just saw the story on ESPN and noticed that you posted it. Where to begin, I think Coach Fedora is hearing this from a lot of high school and youth coaches. They aren't going to say that to the media and get the same type of reaction, but he will. In taking my boys to various sports camps this summer I am hearing very similar things. Some youth coaches and high school football coaches are very nervous about the future.

One coach just told me that at a recent coaches fishing trip, they all agreed that high school football had peaked, but when? Some coaches said it peaked 10 years ago, others said it was the 80s-90s, a few old timers thought in Ohio anyways it was the late 1960s-late 1970s, before the industrial decline of the late 1970s commenced. The big argument centered around whether by 2030 high school football would be on it's way to becoming a boutique sport like soccer and lacrosse was in Ohio in the 1970s.

Is Coach Fedora right that our nation would change if football ceased to be as we know it now? Would it effect our military as he fears? Boxing was once a popular sport. Some argue that we have become soft since many young men participated in amateur boxing and now do not. Many older Europeans feel their culture is totally different now than it was 50 or 60 years ago. I know a lot of kids in the neighborhood that just seem to think that football is way to hard, intense for them, even though they definitely follow it. I can't imagine even saying such a thing at their age, even if I believed it. It just wouldn't happen, at least where I grew up.

The odd thing about this whole debate is that youth football is safer than it ever has been, but the stats from past players with obvious brain injuries scares not only kids but their their parents. I might have made mention of a couple of former college football players I know whose kids go to my kids school. They won't let their kids play football, and it has nothing to do with CTE scare. One guy says he has chronic shoulder pain and the other guy has had a series of knee surgeries. Their kids wanted to play middle school football, but they both said no way. When I brought up the fact that they might have had the same injuries in basketball, they both said not nearly the same chance.

People seem to be at different places in their mindset than they were 20, 30 or 40 years ago. Whatever you think of Coach Fedora's rant, it is just reflective of many my age who just didn't see this coming.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/19/2018 12:40:07 PM

The eventual decline in the overwhelming popularity of football at levels may be a trend that cannot be avoided, we'll see. Things come and go, nothing lasts forever.

I think this isn't just limited to football. Ratings are down for many sports. I think I read that viewership for the World Cup was down in the US for the 2018 Cup.

The times are a changin'. Kids are into video games now. Heck, now colleges have video game competition teams! Who knew that video games would be a SPECTATOR sport?! Seems crazy to me but I'm the outlier.

Last Edited: 7/19/2018 12:43:20 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/19/2018 1:05:47 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

I think this isn't just limited to football. Ratings are down for many sports. I think I read that viewership for the World Cup was down in the US for the 2018 Cup.

I wouldn't necessarily conclude from lower US ratings for the World Cup are indicative of any broader trends: unlike the recent past, the US wasn't in the tournament AND the tournament games mostly took place during the workday. A double whammy.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/19/2018 1:44:56 PM

Yes, mf279801 the ratings were down because the US wasn't in it and unlike the last World Cup in Brazil, the time difference was a problem. However, that being said, it was amazing to me how many young people watched it lived, and or recorded it and watched it later with friends.

Ever notice how growing communities that are building parks build a couple of baseball fields and about a dozen or so new soccer fields to keep up with the growth. Baseball has a chance to benefit from football's decline, but it is soccer that is really positioned for growth.

Part of what make's life interesting is the unknown. There were people in Silicon Valley predicting the rise of the computer 40 years ago, but they were considered on the fringe at best. I also can remember a doctor when I was a kid who talked about the dangers of football. He was considered on the fringe as well. Football and soccer took years to forge their own identities and develop, while basketball with the help of Dr. Naismith just took off. God only knows what the sports world will look like in 2030, 2040 and 2050. Will the sports scene change and will it have such a large impact on our lives as it now does?

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/19/2018 3:05:36 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

There was a discussion about youth sport's participation on Rick Wolf's The Sports Edge.

He was saying that last year there was a 14% drop in participation in youth soccer.
I believe he was talking about Travel Teams,but he said there does seem to a trend of less participation in all levels of youth soccer.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/19/2018 4:19:10 PM

cbus cat fan wrote:

One coach just told me that at a recent coaches fishing trip, they all agreed that high school football had peaked, but when? Some coaches said it peaked 10 years ago, others said it was the 80s-90s, a few old timers thought in Ohio anyways it was the late 1960s-late 1970s, before the industrial decline of the late 1970s commenced. The big argument centered around whether by 2030 high school football would be on it's way to becoming a boutique sport like soccer and lacrosse was in Ohio in the 1970s.

Hmmm. Interesting. How do they define peaked? Just participation? As a casual observer it hasn't seemed peak in terms of skills. Dudes are bigger, faster, and stronger than ever, and just as smart Xs and Os wise.

Then again, I have no doubt the teams from my non-travel, neighborhood based, city rec baseball little league from the late 1970s would crush all these current travel baseball teams. So, I get it....

I do hear a lot of parents complaining about the travel team culture and some deciding to opt out. Mine hasn't done travel teams yet.

Last Edited: 7/19/2018 4:20:03 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/20/2018 10:27:03 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/14/sports/world-cup/socce...

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/20/2018 10:40:28 AM

That guy is kind of scary. I guess the 90% of Americans who never played football are real losers in his world. Bet he had an intersesting meetng with his AD when he got back to campus.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/20/2018 10:51:42 AM

Soccer's biggest problem in the United States is the "pay-to-play" mindset undertaken by the US Soccer organization. Leadership in US Soccer reminds me very much of the folks who think Ohio Athletics should raising ticket pricing. It's entirely the wrong approach. Focus on getting more people interested first. Maximizing growth today leads to exponentially bigger profits tomorrow.

I do think CTE is an under-reported issue in soccer. There aren't nearly as many severe head-on collisions as in football, but it's still a much more violent sport at the higher levels than people realize. Concussions are common. It's also the only sport where players INTENTIONALLY try to make the ball hit their head.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/20/2018 11:11:48 AM

The Optimist wrote:

When I was learning to play soccer we spent hours learning proper techniques,including the correct way to "head" a ball.

In college we had "heading" drills all the time.

I have noticed that,in youth soccer especially,fundamental techniwues don't seem to be given much of a priority.

As far as concussions,at least from "heading",an article I read a couple of weeks ago said the problem is much more pronounced,as are non-contact knee injuries with women then men.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/20/2018 10:32:48 PM

Perhaps the drop in youth participating in sports may be in part because many kids no longer see the long term benefit for themselves in playing sports, after say the age of 12. It becomes harder to get playing time and kids in big suburban schools have to compete against countless kids who have been on traveling teams since kindergarten. Until recently, I thought traveling teams were only for kids 10 or older. You learn something new everyday!

Until I was about age 12, I lived under the allusion (probably delusion) that my skills were going to get me to play college sports and beyond. Reality hit me in high school! I went to school with friends (and taught guys) who played college football at smaller colleges. I can't tell you how many guys I know tell me high school football was the happiest time in their lives and playing small college football was the most miserable time of the lives. The camaraderie and almost heavenly like coming of age experience that existed in high school wasn't there in college. Endless practices and film study, grading teammates performances and limited playing time made for more of a purgatorial, if not hellish college experiences for the guys I knew. Most stopped playing college football after one year and focused on what was really important about college--getting a degree.

I remember entering high school hearing my parents and the nuns in school telling me and my friends that most of us were going to be first in our families to go to college, I dutifully followed their advice. However, I never kept track of my GPA and didn't measure myself against others or scout elite schools I might have attended. However, kids in high school today often do, possibly because of the competition to get into the right school. High school sports playing time and or a college sports scholarship might be a pipe dream for most of the kids today, whereas when I was in school my friends and me had allusions (which quickly became delusions) of playing college sports. Perhaps that is why fewer kids are participating in youth sports past the age of 12.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/23/2018 3:33:53 PM

I don't think I'd let my son play for him. Although the game is "safer than ever," there's still a long way to go. Someone who's ok with the status quo probably doesn't have the best interest of his players at heart.

In addition to the competition from people having other things to do, I think two of the big reasons why ratings are down for football are fantasy leagues and bland announcers. Fantasy leagues don't breed loyalty to a team; only to a player. You don't have to watch a game to find out how your fantasy player is doing. You just look at the box score after the game is over. I think the vast majority of people who watch a game do so because they want their team to win, not because they want a particular player to do well.

And the announcers just aren't entertaining anymore. Annoying as they might have been in some ways, people like Chris Schenkel, Keith Jackson, Lindsey Nelson, Ray Scott, Pat Summerall, Howard Cosell, and Don Meredith all had their unique styles and great personalities that helped make the game entertaining to watch. Most of the announcers on TV bland, interchangeable, roboannouncers who've all gone through the same training and all sound the same and don't add a thing to the telecast.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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RE: Carolina coach loses his mind

Posted: 7/23/2018 5:06:20 PM

We may see dramatically better helmets sooner rather than later, thanks to research in viscoelasticity. The problem is that to do any good, a helmet needs to absorb energy, but in the process of absorbing energy, most materials are destroyed. Think, for example, about a styrofoam bicycle helmet - it's good for one use. When you hit your head, it absorbs energy, and in the process it's crushed. Thus, it needs to be replaced before you bike again. A football helmet that deformed in the event of collision would provide some protection, but you can't very well replace every helmet every time a player is involved in contact.

Imagine a helmet made of a material that is liquid (viscous), but on collision it becomes crystalline, and is crushed, then after the collision, it becomes liquid again, and repairs itself....

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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