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OhioStunter
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Championship
   Posted: 12/8/2017 4:50:29 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:
I would like to give Buckeye to Bobcat his due. Great suggestions, my Bobcat brother from another mother. While I am not sure how you pay for the likes of Schiano and Butch Jones, I do like those ideas and some of your other suggestions, and it is nice to observe a well thought out plan of action, even if some of it sounds like a stretch. You are definitely my choice for the next Athletic Director, because someone needs to have some sort of specific vision going forward from Solich other than continuing to support our party school reputation by arguing which craft beer is the best. Being the one to pull the proverbial trigger on a legend though would take some giant balls to say the least (and we are not talking about basketballs). How much time do you think it will take the next coach to improve on what is already there, or, more correctly, how much time will the fan base give such an individual? The fear that I detect that most people have is what happens if the whole thing begins to go South in a hurry? I think some Bobcat fans are worried that lightening won't strike twice, so to speak, even though Jim Grobe did a solid job before moving onto Wake Forrest.


In regards to what Solich has done is nothing short of spectacular. Everyone is right in that the history of this program should simply state that 3 wins is the maximum, anything beyond is champagne and caviar. With what has been done in the last 13 years, is great. What I wish though is that it would have gone from 8-4 to 10-2 with a push for 11-1 every couple of year. The only comparison I can think for him is Doug Collins. A guy who get a team to a certain point, but no further. Otherwise, for what he has done to get it here, crazy. The foundation talent wise is enough to give the next coach his cushion for at least two years to be a 6-6 outfit at worst if they can't coach worth a crap. I give respect to him in terms of that. Where we will need to capitalize is like I have stated is a coach who can come in and recruit his honeywells effectively, especially the I-71 corridor and Western PA, hence why the Tom Arth recommendation if we go beyond Solich's assistants.

In terms of facilities and structures, with the indoor facility, academic center, and weight room work, we'd be okay for at least 4 years. The problem you're going to see is we're due for some big work in regards to Peden and I hate to say this about a former employer, but we have nickel'ed and dime'd our fanbase on these projects we undertook. Whether it was the academic center, the weight room, or practice facility projects, it felt like each year there was a new 3 million dollar fundraiser that was needed. I wish that the athletic department would have laid out a 5 year project goal and done it all at once or at least some form of master plan for the athletic department. Because I was going through the archives of the athletic reports and did not find anything saying what next projects were coming down the tracks, I have always thought we were a reactionary department, not a trendsetting department. With what Eastern Michigan is doing as a whole is they are going to renovate their facilities all at once. To me, this would seem to be the kind of project that Ohio could do. But......

The biggest problem long term though is what is our giving capability as a school? This is no offense to the giving that has been done, but when hit for these projects on a year to year basis, it dries up what could be done for one big charge. Another problem stemming from this is that we do not have a lot of big hitters that can give north of $100,000 each year. I have always said that if a school is going to be viable athletically, it needs three things:
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school

Since we do not have #2 and #3, this takes away the capabilities of having those donors who can write $10,000 checks on an annual basis for the sake of a tax write off. This is significant because if a school has enough of these, that number can add up in a hurry. With our business school, it is decent. But as shown here, the odds of producing an alum out of our business school that can print money is pretty limited due to being the only cog that can stand on its own hind leg.

That said, because this school has historically supported the liberal arts and damned capitalism, it makes having a donor with a focus on athletics odds go down significantly. Not knocking the education department or the liberal arts, but how often do you hear of big hitters from there writing the $5,000,000 checks to athletic departments? Not often.

Unfortunately it's what I get from working in Athletics and looking at schools this way. It is why I am intrigued by what Northern Kentucky can become and what Toledo can become with its acquisition in the last 10 years of MCO. Now I am not advocating for us to develop these medical and law programs, but it is why O$U and Cincinnati have better odds of being successful long-term in athletics than we do. It's simply a number's game as to how many donors can elevate themselves into that $10,000,000 gift area with $100,000 per year donations.

Now that can all change with just one donation, but the odds right now as they stand do not bode well for the immediate future unless someone develops the widget that everyone needs and loved athletics from their time at OU. That, and don't feel inclined to write checks to Columbus before they write one to Athens. Fortunately, I am the opposite in these regards, as my dollars are coming to Athens due to what I got out of here. I just hope that the spirit of giving to Athens continues from alums and hopefully there is a shot for someone to come along and hit big.


I also think that OSU and UC being in the heart of major U.S. cities with more fans, alums and corporate sponsors provides them with significant advantages over being located in Athens.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Championship
   Posted: 12/8/2017 4:57:30 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:
I would like to give Buckeye to Bobcat his due. Great suggestions, my Bobcat brother from another mother. While I am not sure how you pay for the likes of Schiano and Butch Jones, I do like those ideas and some of your other suggestions, and it is nice to observe a well thought out plan of action, even if some of it sounds like a stretch. You are definitely my choice for the next Athletic Director, because someone needs to have some sort of specific vision going forward from Solich other than continuing to support our party school reputation by arguing which craft beer is the best. Being the one to pull the proverbial trigger on a legend though would take some giant balls to say the least (and we are not talking about basketballs). How much time do you think it will take the next coach to improve on what is already there, or, more correctly, how much time will the fan base give such an individual? The fear that I detect that most people have is what happens if the whole thing begins to go South in a hurry? I think some Bobcat fans are worried that lightening won't strike twice, so to speak, even though Jim Grobe did a solid job before moving onto Wake Forrest.


In regards to what Solich has done is nothing short of spectacular. Everyone is right in that the history of this program should simply state that 3 wins is the maximum, anything beyond is champagne and caviar. With what has been done in the last 13 years, is great. What I wish though is that it would have gone from 8-4 to 10-2 with a push for 11-1 every couple of year. The only comparison I can think for him is Doug Collins. A guy who get a team to a certain point, but no further. Otherwise, for what he has done to get it here, crazy. The foundation talent wise is enough to give the next coach his cushion for at least two years to be a 6-6 outfit at worst if they can't coach worth a crap. I give respect to him in terms of that. Where we will need to capitalize is like I have stated is a coach who can come in and recruit his honeywells effectively, especially the I-71 corridor and Western PA, hence why the Tom Arth recommendation if we go beyond Solich's assistants.

In terms of facilities and structures, with the indoor facility, academic center, and weight room work, we'd be okay for at least 4 years. The problem you're going to see is we're due for some big work in regards to Peden and I hate to say this about a former employer, but we have nickel'ed and dime'd our fanbase on these projects we undertook. Whether it was the academic center, the weight room, or practice facility projects, it felt like each year there was a new 3 million dollar fundraiser that was needed. I wish that the athletic department would have laid out a 5 year project goal and done it all at once or at least some form of master plan for the athletic department. Because I was going through the archives of the athletic reports and did not find anything saying what next projects were coming down the tracks, I have always thought we were a reactionary department, not a trendsetting department. With what Eastern Michigan is doing as a whole is they are going to renovate their facilities all at once. To me, this would seem to be the kind of project that Ohio could do. But......

The biggest problem long term though is what is our giving capability as a school? This is no offense to the giving that has been done, but when hit for these projects on a year to year basis, it dries up what could be done for one big charge. Another problem stemming from this is that we do not have a lot of big hitters that can give north of $100,000 each year. I have always said that if a school is going to be viable athletically, it needs three things:
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school

Since we do not have #2 and #3, this takes away the capabilities of having those donors who can write $10,000 checks on an annual basis for the sake of a tax write off. This is significant because if a school has enough of these, that number can add up in a hurry. With our business school, it is decent. But as shown here, the odds of producing an alum out of our business school that can print money is pretty limited due to being the only cog that can stand on its own hind leg.

That said, because this school has historically supported the liberal arts and damned capitalism, it makes having a donor with a focus on athletics odds go down significantly. Not knocking the education department or the liberal arts, but how often do you hear of big hitters from there writing the $5,000,000 checks to athletic departments? Not often.

Unfortunately it's what I get from working in Athletics and looking at schools this way. It is why I am intrigued by what Northern Kentucky can become and what Toledo can become with its acquisition in the last 10 years of MCO. Now I am not advocating for us to develop these medical and law programs, but it is why O$U and Cincinnati have better odds of being successful long-term in athletics than we do. It's simply a number's game as to how many donors can elevate themselves into that $10,000,000 gift area with $100,000 per year donations.

Now that can all change with just one donation, but the odds right now as they stand do not bode well for the immediate future unless someone develops the widget that everyone needs and loved athletics from their time at OU. That, and don't feel inclined to write checks to Columbus before they write one to Athens. Fortunately, I am the opposite in these regards, as my dollars are coming to Athens due to what I got out of here. I just hope that the spirit of giving to Athens continues from alums and hopefully there is a shot for someone to come along and hit big.


Something I've always wondered when it comes to trying to raise capital for a project: instead of asking for the big checks from your alumni, why not just try to get as many small ones as possible? How many living alumni does Ohio have? Multiply that by $50 and see what you come up with.

Of course the big checks are nice, but not everyone can give that. I say try and make one big push for small donations and see what you can come up with. Then maybe some bigger fish will surprise you down the road.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Championship
   Posted: 12/8/2017 5:01:38 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:
I would like to give Buckeye to Bobcat his due. Great suggestions, my Bobcat brother from another mother. While I am not sure how you pay for the likes of Schiano and Butch Jones, I do like those ideas and some of your other suggestions, and it is nice to observe a well thought out plan of action, even if some of it sounds like a stretch. You are definitely my choice for the next Athletic Director, because someone needs to have some sort of specific vision going forward from Solich other than continuing to support our party school reputation by arguing which craft beer is the best. Being the one to pull the proverbial trigger on a legend though would take some giant balls to say the least (and we are not talking about basketballs). How much time do you think it will take the next coach to improve on what is already there, or, more correctly, how much time will the fan base give such an individual? The fear that I detect that most people have is what happens if the whole thing begins to go South in a hurry? I think some Bobcat fans are worried that lightening won't strike twice, so to speak, even though Jim Grobe did a solid job before moving onto Wake Forrest.


In regards to what Solich has done is nothing short of spectacular. Everyone is right in that the history of this program should simply state that 3 wins is the maximum, anything beyond is champagne and caviar. With what has been done in the last 13 years, is great. What I wish though is that it would have gone from 8-4 to 10-2 with a push for 11-1 every couple of year. The only comparison I can think for him is Doug Collins. A guy who get a team to a certain point, but no further. Otherwise, for what he has done to get it here, crazy. The foundation talent wise is enough to give the next coach his cushion for at least two years to be a 6-6 outfit at worst if they can't coach worth a crap. I give respect to him in terms of that. Where we will need to capitalize is like I have stated is a coach who can come in and recruit his honeywells effectively, especially the I-71 corridor and Western PA, hence why the Tom Arth recommendation if we go beyond Solich's assistants.

In terms of facilities and structures, with the indoor facility, academic center, and weight room work, we'd be okay for at least 4 years. The problem you're going to see is we're due for some big work in regards to Peden and I hate to say this about a former employer, but we have nickel'ed and dime'd our fanbase on these projects we undertook. Whether it was the academic center, the weight room, or practice facility projects, it felt like each year there was a new 3 million dollar fundraiser that was needed. I wish that the athletic department would have laid out a 5 year project goal and done it all at once or at least some form of master plan for the athletic department. Because I was going through the archives of the athletic reports and did not find anything saying what next projects were coming down the tracks, I have always thought we were a reactionary department, not a trendsetting department. With what Eastern Michigan is doing as a whole is they are going to renovate their facilities all at once. To me, this would seem to be the kind of project that Ohio could do. But......

The biggest problem long term though is what is our giving capability as a school? This is no offense to the giving that has been done, but when hit for these projects on a year to year basis, it dries up what could be done for one big charge. Another problem stemming from this is that we do not have a lot of big hitters that can give north of $100,000 each year. I have always said that if a school is going to be viable athletically, it needs three things:
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school

Since we do not have #2 and #3, this takes away the capabilities of having those donors who can write $10,000 checks on an annual basis for the sake of a tax write off. This is significant because if a school has enough of these, that number can add up in a hurry. With our business school, it is decent. But as shown here, the odds of producing an alum out of our business school that can print money is pretty limited due to being the only cog that can stand on its own hind leg.

That said, because this school has historically supported the liberal arts and damned capitalism, it makes having a donor with a focus on athletics odds go down significantly. Not knocking the education department or the liberal arts, but how often do you hear of big hitters from there writing the $5,000,000 checks to athletic departments? Not often.

Unfortunately it's what I get from working in Athletics and looking at schools this way. It is why I am intrigued by what Northern Kentucky can become and what Toledo can become with its acquisition in the last 10 years of MCO. Now I am not advocating for us to develop these medical and law programs, but it is why O$U and Cincinnati have better odds of being successful long-term in athletics than we do. It's simply a number's game as to how many donors can elevate themselves into that $10,000,000 gift area with $100,000 per year donations.

Now that can all change with just one donation, but the odds right now as they stand do not bode well for the immediate future unless someone develops the widget that everyone needs and loved athletics from their time at OU. That, and don't feel inclined to write checks to Columbus before they write one to Athens. Fortunately, I am the opposite in these regards, as my dollars are coming to Athens due to what I got out of here. I just hope that the spirit of giving to Athens continues from alums and hopefully there is a shot for someone to come along and hit big.


Something I've always wondered when it comes to trying to raise capital for a project: instead of asking for the big checks from your alumni, why not just try to get as many small ones as possible? How many living alumni does Ohio have? Multiply that by $50 and see what you come up with.

Of course the big checks are nice, but not everyone can give that. I say try and make one big push for small donations and see what you can come up with. Then maybe some bigger fish will surprise you down the road.



I can say that from my experience O.U. appreciates any donation of any amount.
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   Posted: 12/8/2017 5:16:08 PM 
I ain’t complaining about the checks being written. Im glad that folks do so. What I am saying is in the grand scheme of athletics, you usually need a cattle driver for a donor to make things go. Trust me, I aint even close to being a homerun donor, but the day I am I am putting it in endowments.

Long story short, donations are great, but statistically ya need medixcal and law to up chances of getting consistent big and midtier donations that move the needle.

And yes, being in metroplexes help. Then again, Penn State does just fine.
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OhioStunter
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Championship
   Posted: 12/8/2017 5:17:49 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:


Something I've always wondered when it comes to trying to raise capital for a project: instead of asking for the big checks from your alumni, why not just try to get as many small ones as possible? How many living alumni does Ohio have? Multiply that by $50 and see what you come up with.

Of course the big checks are nice, but not everyone can give that. I say try and make one big push for small donations and see what you can come up with. Then maybe some bigger fish will surprise you down the road.



If only it were that simple.
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CA Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Championship
   Posted: 12/8/2017 10:27:16 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:
I would like to give Buckeye to Bobcat his due. Great suggestions, my Bobcat brother from another mother. While I am not sure how you pay for the likes of Schiano and Butch Jones, I do like those ideas and some of your other suggestions, and it is nice to observe a well thought out plan of action, even if some of it sounds like a stretch. You are definitely my choice for the next Athletic Director, because someone needs to have some sort of specific vision going forward from Solich other than continuing to support our party school reputation by arguing which craft beer is the best. Being the one to pull the proverbial trigger on a legend though would take some giant balls to say the least (and we are not talking about basketballs). How much time do you think it will take the next coach to improve on what is already there, or, more correctly, how much time will the fan base give such an individual? The fear that I detect that most people have is what happens if the whole thing begins to go South in a hurry? I think some Bobcat fans are worried that lightening won't strike twice, so to speak, even though Jim Grobe did a solid job before moving onto Wake Forrest.


In regards to what Solich has done is nothing short of spectacular. Everyone is right in that the history of this program should simply state that 3 wins is the maximum, anything beyond is champagne and caviar. With what has been done in the last 13 years, is great. What I wish though is that it would have gone from 8-4 to 10-2 with a push for 11-1 every couple of year. The only comparison I can think for him is Doug Collins. A guy who get a team to a certain point, but no further. Otherwise, for what he has done to get it here, crazy. The foundation talent wise is enough to give the next coach his cushion for at least two years to be a 6-6 outfit at worst if they can't coach worth a crap. I give respect to him in terms of that. Where we will need to capitalize is like I have stated is a coach who can come in and recruit his honeywells effectively, especially the I-71 corridor and Western PA, hence why the Tom Arth recommendation if we go beyond Solich's assistants.

In terms of facilities and structures, with the indoor facility, academic center, and weight room work, we'd be okay for at least 4 years. The problem you're going to see is we're due for some big work in regards to Peden and I hate to say this about a former employer, but we have nickel'ed and dime'd our fanbase on these projects we undertook. Whether it was the academic center, the weight room, or practice facility projects, it felt like each year there was a new 3 million dollar fundraiser that was needed. I wish that the athletic department would have laid out a 5 year project goal and done it all at once or at least some form of master plan for the athletic department. Because I was going through the archives of the athletic reports and did not find anything saying what next projects were coming down the tracks, I have always thought we were a reactionary department, not a trendsetting department. With what Eastern Michigan is doing as a whole is they are going to renovate their facilities all at once. To me, this would seem to be the kind of project that Ohio could do. But......

The biggest problem long term though is what is our giving capability as a school? This is no offense to the giving that has been done, but when hit for these projects on a year to year basis, it dries up what could be done for one big charge. Another problem stemming from this is that we do not have a lot of big hitters that can give north of $100,000 each year. I have always said that if a school is going to be viable athletically, it needs three things:
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school

Since we do not have #2 and #3, this takes away the capabilities of having those donors who can write $10,000 checks on an annual basis for the sake of a tax write off. This is significant because if a school has enough of these, that number can add up in a hurry. With our business school, it is decent. But as shown here, the odds of producing an alum out of our business school that can print money is pretty limited due to being the only cog that can stand on its own hind leg.

That said, because this school has historically supported the liberal arts and damned capitalism, it makes having a donor with a focus on athletics odds go down significantly. Not knocking the education department or the liberal arts, but how often do you hear of big hitters from there writing the $5,000,000 checks to athletic departments? Not often.

Unfortunately it's what I get from working in Athletics and looking at schools this way. It is why I am intrigued by what Northern Kentucky can become and what Toledo can become with its acquisition in the last 10 years of MCO. Now I am not advocating for us to develop these medical and law programs, but it is why O$U and Cincinnati have better odds of being successful long-term in athletics than we do. It's simply a number's game as to how many donors can elevate themselves into that $10,000,000 gift area with $100,000 per year donations.

Now that can all change with just one donation, but the odds right now as they stand do not bode well for the immediate future unless someone develops the widget that everyone needs and loved athletics from their time at OU. That, and don't feel inclined to write checks to Columbus before they write one to Athens. Fortunately, I am the opposite in these regards, as my dollars are coming to Athens due to what I got out of here. I just hope that the spirit of giving to Athens continues from alums and hopefully there is a shot for someone to come along and hit big.


I kinda don't agree. All we need is to crank out some hungry Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who are loyal to their Bobcat roots. The money being made out here makes a $10k check look like mice nuts. Doctors and lawyers make good money but most don't make life changing money where they can write six digit checks.
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   Posted: 12/9/2017 12:18:09 AM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:
I would like to give Buckeye to Bobcat his due. Great suggestions, my Bobcat brother from another mother. While I am not sure how you pay for the likes of Schiano and Butch Jones, I do like those ideas and some of your other suggestions, and it is nice to observe a well thought out plan of action, even if some of it sounds like a stretch. You are definitely my choice for the next Athletic Director, because someone needs to have some sort of specific vision going forward from Solich other than continuing to support our party school reputation by arguing which craft beer is the best. Being the one to pull the proverbial trigger on a legend though would take some giant balls to say the least (and we are not talking about basketballs). How much time do you think it will take the next coach to improve on what is already there, or, more correctly, how much time will the fan base give such an individual? The fear that I detect that most people have is what happens if the whole thing begins to go South in a hurry? I think some Bobcat fans are worried that lightening won't strike twice, so to speak, even though Jim Grobe did a solid job before moving onto Wake Forrest.


In regards to what Solich has done is nothing short of spectacular. Everyone is right in that the history of this program should simply state that 3 wins is the maximum, anything beyond is champagne and caviar. With what has been done in the last 13 years, is great. What I wish though is that it would have gone from 8-4 to 10-2 with a push for 11-1 every couple of year. The only comparison I can think for him is Doug Collins. A guy who get a team to a certain point, but no further. Otherwise, for what he has done to get it here, crazy. The foundation talent wise is enough to give the next coach his cushion for at least two years to be a 6-6 outfit at worst if they can't coach worth a crap. I give respect to him in terms of that. Where we will need to capitalize is like I have stated is a coach who can come in and recruit his honeywells effectively, especially the I-71 corridor and Western PA, hence why the Tom Arth recommendation if we go beyond Solich's assistants.

In terms of facilities and structures, with the indoor facility, academic center, and weight room work, we'd be okay for at least 4 years. The problem you're going to see is we're due for some big work in regards to Peden and I hate to say this about a former employer, but we have nickel'ed and dime'd our fanbase on these projects we undertook. Whether it was the academic center, the weight room, or practice facility projects, it felt like each year there was a new 3 million dollar fundraiser that was needed. I wish that the athletic department would have laid out a 5 year project goal and done it all at once or at least some form of master plan for the athletic department. Because I was going through the archives of the athletic reports and did not find anything saying what next projects were coming down the tracks, I have always thought we were a reactionary department, not a trendsetting department. With what Eastern Michigan is doing as a whole is they are going to renovate their facilities all at once. To me, this would seem to be the kind of project that Ohio could do. But......

The biggest problem long term though is what is our giving capability as a school? This is no offense to the giving that has been done, but when hit for these projects on a year to year basis, it dries up what could be done for one big charge. Another problem stemming from this is that we do not have a lot of big hitters that can give north of $100,000 each year. I have always said that if a school is going to be viable athletically, it needs three things:
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school

Since we do not have #2 and #3, this takes away the capabilities of having those donors who can write $10,000 checks on an annual basis for the sake of a tax write off. This is significant because if a school has enough of these, that number can add up in a hurry. With our business school, it is decent. But as shown here, the odds of producing an alum out of our business school that can print money is pretty limited due to being the only cog that can stand on its own hind leg.

That said, because this school has historically supported the liberal arts and damned capitalism, it makes having a donor with a focus on athletics odds go down significantly. Not knocking the education department or the liberal arts, but how often do you hear of big hitters from there writing the $5,000,000 checks to athletic departments? Not often.

Unfortunately it's what I get from working in Athletics and looking at schools this way. It is why I am intrigued by what Northern Kentucky can become and what Toledo can become with its acquisition in the last 10 years of MCO. Now I am not advocating for us to develop these medical and law programs, but it is why O$U and Cincinnati have better odds of being successful long-term in athletics than we do. It's simply a number's game as to how many donors can elevate themselves into that $10,000,000 gift area with $100,000 per year donations.

Now that can all change with just one donation, but the odds right now as they stand do not bode well for the immediate future unless someone develops the widget that everyone needs and loved athletics from their time at OU. That, and don't feel inclined to write checks to Columbus before they write one to Athens. Fortunately, I am the opposite in these regards, as my dollars are coming to Athens due to what I got out of here. I just hope that the spirit of giving to Athens continues from alums and hopefully there is a shot for someone to come along and hit big.


I kinda don't agree. All we need is to crank out some hungry Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who are loyal to their Bobcat roots. The money being made out here makes a $10k check look like mice nuts. Doctors and lawyers make good money but most don't make life changing money where they can write six digit checks.


True, but good luck finding a consistent 10k check for one, and two I wish you better luck in hitting on Silicon Valley. The odds of that are pretty slim to be honest.
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   Posted: 12/9/2017 10:45:37 AM 
Over the years I've clipped articles and then categorized them thinking some day I might need the wisdom of the written word. This discussion about fundraising leads me to share these two. Give them a read to see if this can somehow translate to increased giving to OU athletics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/sunday/how-to-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/giving/asking-for-mone...
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Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I ain’t complaining about the checks being written. Im glad that folks do so. What I am saying is in the grand scheme of athletics, you usually need a cattle driver for a donor to make things go. Trust me, I aint even close to being a homerun donor, but the day I am I am putting it in endowments.

Long story short, donations are great, but statistically ya need medixcal and law to up chances of getting consistent big and midtier donations that move the needle.

And yes, being in metroplexes help. Then again, Penn State does just fine.



I’d agree with this, and I’ll add we have quite a few grads who did professional degrees at OSU or UC, and they get the bulk of those donations.
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   Posted: 12/10/2017 9:46:39 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
. . .
1. A respected and well-funded business school
2. A medical school (with doctors who perform surgeries, not just osteopathic medicine)
3. A law school . . .


What ignorance. OU-HCOM has many graduates who are surgeons. You need to read up on osteopathic medicine. Here's one place to start your educational experience: http://www.aacom.org/become-a-doctor/about-om

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   Posted: 12/10/2017 10:07:54 AM 
Here are just two of many possible examples of OU-HCOM graduates who are surgeons:

https://tinyurl.com/y9oo5zj4

https://tinyurl.com/y77bj2ur

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   Posted: 12/11/2017 8:23:39 AM 
OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo has been chasing one since 2004 ... and I would say they have not had this apathetic view towards it. -- BASED ON WHAT?

For Ohio or it's fans to act like it's not a big deal is basically devaluing the point of even playing football. -- I JUST DON'T THINK THE CONFERENCE TITLE IS THE MOST ACCURATE MEASURE OF WHETHER YOU'VE REACHED THE NEXT LEVEL OR NOT. TOLEDO IS THE CURRENT CHAMPION AND ARE THEY REALLY BETTER OFF THAN OHIO RIGHT NOW?

Why is it in football a lot of people on here don't seem to care if we never compete for a football title? -- A MACC FOR ME IS NOT THE END-ALL, BE-ALL. IT IS SOMETHING I WANT, BUT IS NOT THE SOLE DEFINITION OF SUCCESS NOR FAILURE FOR ME. IS TOLEDO'S SEASON THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OURS?



I urge you and Bobby Fox and anyone else who downplays the significance of a MACC to watch this and tell me Toledo:

A) had an apathetic view on a MACC
B) Toledo isn't better off than Ohio right now
C) Toledo season isn't drastically different than OUrs

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/939900638993043457?s=09



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   Posted: 12/11/2017 8:54:53 AM 
Give it a rest! PLEASE GIVE IT A REST! It is because of you and a few other posters that Bobcat fans prefer to stay away from this website. The people that follow this football team know that Ohio didn't win a league title. They do not need reminded by you every hour on the hour. Do you think these players and coaching staff lost games on purpose?
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 10:42:45 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Give it a rest! PLEASE GIVE IT A REST! It is because of you and a few other posters that Bobcat fans prefer to stay away from this website. The people that follow this football team know that Ohio didn't win a league title. They do not need reminded by you every hour on the hour. Do you think these players and coaching staff lost games on purpose?


So let me get this right.

People stay away from this website because myself and few others discuss the reality of Ohio football.

That's weak.

Are we only supposed to come on here and celebrate the positives and have a virtual pep rally applauding all the great things .... and just ignore the shortcomings?

No one .... LET ME REPEAT ... NO ONE is saying the games were lost on purpose.

But to ignore that it happened is a joke. And to be asked not to chat about it is absurd.

I don't go on here and tell you to "GIVE IT A REST" when you and others only want to harp about how 8 wins and a bowl game is a successful year.

It's a freakin' message board! If you don't like someone's comment ... or are bothered by it ... be an adult and just ignore it.

It's people like you that keep this back-and-forth going.

I don't mind having conversations with folks that disagree with my viewpoint ... to me it's all in good fun and ultimately, I'd like to think, we're pulling for the same greater good ... that Ohio is good.

You obviously get so hot-and-bothered by it that you come back with "GIVE IT A REST" comments.

What is this message board supposed to look like?

I Heart The Cats wrote:
Solich is MY GOD wrote:
Bowl Games or Bust wrote:
At Least We're Not 2-10 wrote:
MAC Mediocrity Mania wrote:
Let's Win 8 Games wrote:
Biggest Bobcat Football Ever wrote:
Ohio football is fantastic! We are going to the Bahamas Bowl!
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1


That's a lot of fun.

Again ... if you don't like something ... just ignore it and move on.

But don't ask people to "GIVE IT A REST" because they aren't doing backflips about the Bahamas Bowl and dare bring up a loss.


Last Edited: 12/11/2017 10:44:33 AM by bshot44
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 10:59:58 AM 
Well played on the multiple +1s and quotes among quotes. That was actually funny.
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 11:24:14 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Well played on the multiple +1s and quotes among quotes. That was actually funny.


+1

;-)
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 12:08:24 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo has been chasing one since 2004 ... and I would say they have not had this apathetic view towards it. -- BASED ON WHAT?

For Ohio or it's fans to act like it's not a big deal is basically devaluing the point of even playing football. -- I JUST DON'T THINK THE CONFERENCE TITLE IS THE MOST ACCURATE MEASURE OF WHETHER YOU'VE REACHED THE NEXT LEVEL OR NOT. TOLEDO IS THE CURRENT CHAMPION AND ARE THEY REALLY BETTER OFF THAN OHIO RIGHT NOW?

Why is it in football a lot of people on here don't seem to care if we never compete for a football title? -- A MACC FOR ME IS NOT THE END-ALL, BE-ALL. IT IS SOMETHING I WANT, BUT IS NOT THE SOLE DEFINITION OF SUCCESS NOR FAILURE FOR ME. IS TOLEDO'S SEASON THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OURS?



I urge you and Bobby Fox and anyone else who downplays the significance of a MACC to watch this and tell me Toledo:

A) had an apathetic view on a MACC
B) Toledo isn't better off than Ohio right now
C) Toledo season isn't drastically different than OUrs

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/939900638993043457?s=09





I watched the video. It's a nice highlights video of Toledo in the MACC game. But how does that "prove" any of this? It's a highlights video. They won the MACC. And they are playing in Mobile and the Bobcats are playing in the Bahamas.
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 12:18:40 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
OhioStunter wrote:

Toledo has been chasing one since 2004 ... and I would say they have not had this apathetic view towards it. -- BASED ON WHAT?

For Ohio or it's fans to act like it's not a big deal is basically devaluing the point of even playing football. -- I JUST DON'T THINK THE CONFERENCE TITLE IS THE MOST ACCURATE MEASURE OF WHETHER YOU'VE REACHED THE NEXT LEVEL OR NOT. TOLEDO IS THE CURRENT CHAMPION AND ARE THEY REALLY BETTER OFF THAN OHIO RIGHT NOW?

Why is it in football a lot of people on here don't seem to care if we never compete for a football title? -- A MACC FOR ME IS NOT THE END-ALL, BE-ALL. IT IS SOMETHING I WANT, BUT IS NOT THE SOLE DEFINITION OF SUCCESS NOR FAILURE FOR ME. IS TOLEDO'S SEASON THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OURS?



I urge you and Bobby Fox and anyone else who downplays the significance of a MACC to watch this and tell me Toledo:

A) had an apathetic view on a MACC
B) Toledo isn't better off than Ohio right now
C) Toledo season isn't drastically different than OUrs

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/939900638993043457?s=09





I watched the video. It's a nice highlights video of Toledo in the MACC game. But how does that "prove" any of this? It's a highlights video. They won the MACC. And they are playing in Mobile and the Bobcats are playing in the Bahamas.


Did you listen to Jason Candle's comments at the top of the video? That doesn't show you the importance that Toledo put on winning the MACC?

Watching the Toledo players celebrate and point to their ring finger didn't "prove" their season was better off than Ohio's? Did Ohio have a huge celebration after they lost to Akron and Buffalo because they were going to the Bahamas Bowl? You don't think Ohio feels like the season is a bit empty after falling short again? You don't think for a second they would trade a Bahamas Bowl berth for what Toledo got to experience this season?

I respectfully couldn't disagree with you more if you really think Toledo didn't have a better season than Ohio.

As stated in numerous previous posts ... bowl games are a joke. Unless you happen to break thru like NIU (Orange) or WMU (Cotton) the MAC is relegated to these sub-par games vs sub-par competition. It happens 9 out of 10 times. So to say that earning a bowl bid is some sort of great accomplishment in today's CFB landscape ... to me just isn't true.

Bowl bids go to teams with a pulse now. I don't think there's any team, with Ohio's similar background, that would be celebrating a bowl bid as much as a conference title.

Now ... if you're like EMU last year and haven't been to a bowl in decades ... sure a bowl bid is a great accomplishment.

You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 12:29:03 PM 
bshot44 wrote:


You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?


I think Ohio should strive for a MACC every year. If they don't achieve a MACC, it does not necessarily signify a unsuccessful year, in my opinion.
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 1:05:54 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
bshot44 wrote:


You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?


I think Ohio should strive for a MACC every year. If they don't achieve a MACC, it does not necessarily signify a unsuccessful year, in my opinion.



Ok ... I still think you're painting with a broad brush here.

I'm not sure there's anyone on here currently that has said that 8-4 isn't a successful season because Ohio didn't win the MACC.

Successful can also be disappointing.

I'm thrilled Ohio had another winning year and is bowl bound. But I would classify this season as a huge disappointment considering how it played out.

Yes ... 8-4 is much better than 2-10.

But finishing 8-4 and losing the last two games of the season as touchdown+ favorites while in the driver's seat to earn a spot in the MACC game right after you dismantled the league favorite by 4 touchdowns is a MASSIVE letdown in my opinion.

You can have both a successful year and a disappointing one. I think you are lumping them together for those that have voiced frustration with how this season ended....saying that because Ohio didn't win a MACC, people consider it a failure. I don't think I've seen anyone type that this year?

Your tone implies that losing those last two games isn't a big deal and not winning the MACC is a no big deal because Ohio had another winning season and earned a bowl bid.
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 1:33:23 PM 
bshot44 wrote:


You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?


bshot44 wrote:


I'm not sure there's anyone on here currently that has said that 8-4 isn't a successful season because Ohio didn't win the MACC.
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   Posted: 12/11/2017 2:06:36 PM 
OhioStunter wrote:
bshot44 wrote:


You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?


bshot44 wrote:


I'm not sure there's anyone on here currently that has said that 8-4 isn't a successful season because Ohio didn't win the MACC.





And????

Yes ... I think just earning a bowl bid should not be the ONLY qualifier to signify a successful year.

Again ... bowl bids go to any school with a pulse.

And yes ... I think that Ohio had a successful year in 2017 in terms of wins and losses. 8-4 is better than 2-10. No doubt. But I still would say it was a disappointing season based on how it played out.

Would you classify a 6-6 year where Ohio makes a bowl game a successful year?

I think Ohio has higher standards than that .... that should be a bad year for Ohio ... going 6-6. I think that Solich has set that standard in his 13 years.

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   Posted: 12/11/2017 4:34:42 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
OhioStunter wrote:
bshot44 wrote:


You don't think Ohio should be striving for more than a bowl bid to signify a successful year?


bshot44 wrote:


I'm not sure there's anyone on here currently that has said that 8-4 isn't a successful season because Ohio didn't win the MACC.





And????

Yes ... I think just earning a bowl bid should not be the ONLY qualifier to signify a successful year.

Again ... bowl bids go to any school with a pulse.

And yes ... I think that Ohio had a successful year in 2017 in terms of wins and losses. 8-4 is better than 2-10. No doubt. But I still would say it was a disappointing season based on how it played out.

Would you classify a 6-6 year where Ohio makes a bowl game a successful year?

I think Ohio has higher standards than that .... that should be a bad year for Ohio ... going 6-6. I think that Solich has set that standard in his 13 years.


There are levels of success that Stunter obviously doesn't get.

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   Posted: 12/11/2017 6:13:57 PM 
My responses are in ALL CAPS (not yelling, except at Alan)

bshot44 wrote:



And????

YOU QUESTIONED ME ABOUT HOW SUCCESS SHOULD BE MORE THAN A BOWL GAME AND THEN CAME BACK WITH A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW 8-4 WITH A BOWL GAME IS SUCCESSFUL. TO ME, THOSE WERE CONFLICTING/CONFUSING STATEMENTS.

Yes ... I think just earning a bowl bid should not be the ONLY qualifier to signify a successful year.

I AGREE WITH YOU HERE. AND WITH THAT LOGIC, A MACC SHOULD ALSO NOT BE THE ONLY QUALIFIER FOR A SUCCESSFUL YEAR (I'VE ALSO STATED THAT EARLIER IN THIS THREAD)

Again ... bowl bids go to any school with a pulse.

And yes ... I think that Ohio had a successful year in 2017 in terms of wins and losses. 8-4 is better than 2-10. No doubt. But I still would say it was a disappointing season based on how it played out.

I ALSO AGREE.

Would you classify a 6-6 year where Ohio makes a bowl game a successful year?

MOST LIKELY NOT, BUT IT DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS. ONLY LOOKING AT IT RECORD-WISE IS THE "BROAD BRUSH" VIEW THAT YOU'VE CALLED PEOPLE OUT ON.

I think Ohio has higher standards than that .... that should be a bad year for Ohio ... going 6-6. I think that Solich has set that standard in his 13 years.

I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU ARE CHALLENGING ME ON.




Alan Swank wrote:


There are levels of success that Stunter obviously doesn't get.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?


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   Posted: 12/11/2017 8:52:05 PM 
"Bowl games go to anybody with a pulse." Western Michigan must have not had a pulse this season. I guess the Redhawks from Miami didn't have a pulse this season? Do CBI, CIT, NIT and other post season college basketball games go to everyone with a pulse? If Ohio gets an invite from one of the above post season basketball tournaments, they should say no because everyone with a pulse gets invited. These post season opportunities for athletes give them a chance to play an extra game or two. These games also provide fans one last opportunity to see the athletes perform. Nobody suggested that this bowl game is the equivalent of a Super Bowl, but it is an opportunity for a good group of players to achieve one more win and get to nine wins this season. Not everyone with a pulse earns nine wins every year. You and a few others like you can continue to bash Ohio football all you want. If you are so frustrated then refuse to buy tickets and stay at home on game days.
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