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Bottom line, the offensive attack was really predictable last night. Too many empty 1st and 2nd downs, leading to 3 and longs which were hopeless. Seemed to run too may deep routes with our WRs against a pretty good secondary, while Maxwell was having to run for his life in a collapsing pocket. Horrible combination. And the first drive looked so good. Utilizing Papi White always seems to lead to positive things. Why not some end arounds to him? What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:09:02 AM  Monroe, here's the mediocre team we lost to last night at its best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Vg-0QSzU Last night CMU had their mojo back, after three weeks of laying big time eggs. I'm not making excuses for our very poor offensive showing in the first half and our fumbles, but I'm trying to add just a little perspective, a little balance, if you will, to your constant drumbeat -- a veritable BA nattering nabob of negativism. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top KC Bobcat General User Member Since: 11/22/2006 Location: Norfolk, VA Post Count: 256 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:24:54 AM  I have no concerns with Maxwell other than for his own health. He is a good enough runner to scramble out of trouble or an occasional sneak. But why Albin insists on calling so many QB draws and options is beyond me. And every time we run an option or sweep to the weak side, I cringe, regardless of who is carrying the ball. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:33:00 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Monroe, here's the mediocre team we lost to last night at its best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Vg-0QSzU Last night CMU had their mojo back, after three weeks of laying big time eggs. I'm not making excuses for our very poor offensive showing in the first half and our fumbles, but I'm trying to add just a little perspective, a little balance, if you will, to your constant drumbeat -- a veritable BA nattering nabob of negativism. You are making excuses. Monroe is easy to caricature partly because he caricatures himself with redundant posts, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something better than 7-4 given this awful schedule. Our track record suggests a 50% chance of blowing it against Akron and laying an egg in a bowl game - or squeaking past Akron and getting destroyed by Western. Some of us are tired of 7-8 win seasons of feasting on the dregs of the FBS, so we're wary at best about this team. I'm glad that we have high expectations, and I'm grateful not to have a program like the perennial doormat that was here for so long and that still exists in the conference. Being upset at a flat showing against a .500 team is not being negative -- it's having some reasonable expectations. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:40:10 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Bobcatzblitz wrote: wow maxwell is trash . See what we got for next season again. Now calling our QB trash is what's deplorable. Agreed. Why post something like this? Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:42:45 AM  Guys, I am as frustrated as anyone on this board. Having said that, I am now more convinced than ever that it is simply NOT in the DNA of Ohio football to win MAC Championships. I don't care who is coaching. After all, if a guy who has coached a National Championship game is not able to get a plethora of 3-star guys to Ohio and win ONE MACC in 12 years who will? If he can't, probably nobody can. There is just a structural/historical issue here. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:42:54 AM  KC Bobcat wrote: I have no concerns with Maxwell other than for his own health. He is a good enough runner to scramble out of trouble or an occasional sneak. But why Albin insists on calling so many QB draws and options is beyond me. And every time we run an option or sweep to the weak side, I cringe, regardless of who is carrying the ball. I'm with you on most of that. An occasional quarterback run is a good idea to show a variety of plays, but Maxwell to me is just a capable runner, not a good enough runner for him to carry as many times as he did. Also, I don't mind some plays to the weak side. You can't run every play to the strong side. But it does seem like we do it a bit much. That said, the offensive line play wasn't good enough last night, so I don't know if would have mattered much what plays were called. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:44:04 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Monroe, here's the mediocre team we lost to last night at its best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Vg-0QSzU Last night CMU had their mojo back, after three weeks of laying big time eggs. I'm not making excuses for our very poor offensive showing in the first half and our fumbles, but I'm trying to add just a little perspective, a little balance, if you will, to your constant drumbeat -- a veritable BA nattering nabob of negativism. You are making excuses. Monroe is easy to caricature partly because he caricatures himself with redundant posts, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something better than 7-4 given this awful schedule. Our track record suggests a 50% chance of blowing it against Akron and laying an egg in a bowl game - or squeaking past Akron and getting destroyed by Western. Some of us are tired of 7-8 win seasons of feasting on the dregs of the FBS, so we're wary at best about this team. I'm glad that we have high expectations, and I'm grateful not to have a program like the perennial doormat that was here for so long and that still exists in the conference. Being upset at a flat showing against a .500 team is not being negative -- it's having some reasonable expectations. +1. This is as good of a post as you're going to find following a loss, and a disappointing showing. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:44:36 AM  Casper71 wrote: Guys, I am as frustrated as anyone on this board. Having said that, I am now more convinced than ever that it is simply NOT in the DNA of Ohio football to win MAC Championships. I don't care who is coaching. After all, if a guy who has coached a National Championship game is not able to get a plethora of 3-star guys to Ohio and win ONE MACC in 12 years who will? If he can't, probably nobody can. There is just a structural/historical issue here. Most of us hate to admit it because we think everyone should want to go to Ohio, but there is a lot working against getting a lot of great players to Ohio, much beyond coaching. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 11:53:37 AM  Let's face it... last night sucked because the win at Toledo made us think we were better than we are. It's not like our offense was a work of art previously and last night's turd sandwich was a big surprise. This is a solid team despite the the fact that our offense continues to disappoint. Not only overall, but in key situations. Constantly, constantly disappointing. And that's why we can't be great. We simply don't get the job done offensively. God CMU did their best to hand us that game, and we wouldn't even take it. If you said at the start of the season that you get to split the two games against CMU and Toledo, both on the road, I think most of us would have taken that. Last night's loss isn't why this isn't a great season. Losing to mother !@#$%ing texas state at home and the disappointing performance against (yes, much improved) EMU scoring only 20 points are why this isn't a great season. If we had beaten EMU, the East would have been wrapped up already and last night we could have played much looser and who knows what transpires. So, yeah, another "solid" season, but not great. Despite last night, I'm pretty sure we make our way past Akron with no fireworks, but not much drama. The question is whether we can put a big time game together against WMU in Detroit. WMU is way better than we are, and that's just a fact. But they can be beaten. What is the reason for my optimism? I don't have any. So why would you ask me that? Just shut up. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,485 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:08:20 PM  LuckySparrow wrote: Irons was hurt. I'm surprised Bo Hardy didn't get some run. Bottom line, the offensive attack was really predictable last night. Too many empty 1st and 2nd downs, leading to 3 and longs which were hopeless. Seemed to run too may deep routes with our WRs against a pretty good secondary, while Maxwell was having to run for his life in a collapsing pocket. Horrible combination. And the first drive looked so good. Utilizing Papi White always seems to lead to positive things. Why not some end arounds to him? Do you know what an "end around" is? First off, Papi is not an "end" so that may have something to do with why we do not run the "end around" with him. I'll let you research the rest. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:15:47 PM  Shame they lost last night. Good battle back - but that is not what we wanted or needed. Gotta take out Akron at home. That said, throwing a 19 year-old-kid under the bus (e.g., calling him "trash") when he is out there doing everything he can is not a reflection of the QB, the coach, or team....but rather a reflection of you. If you would not walk up to him on campus and call him a piece of sh$t to his face don't do it here. And to think the kid was being hailed just a week or two ago. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:17:04 PM  GoCats105 wrote: I'm sitting here wondering why we threw 36 passes with a Freshman QB when Dorian Brown had 91 yards on only 12 carries. I don't think the QB is the problem here. And why did only three players carry the football last night? It's not like we were down four or five TDs and had to throw every down to get back in it. It's 17-3. It's not the end of the world. 58 of Brown's 91 yds came on one carry. That means he had 32 yds in the other 11 carries, less than 3 per carry. The O line really wasn't helping the running game for most of the night. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,485 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:17:26 PM  cc-cat wrote: Shame they lost last night. Good battle back - but that is not what we wanted or needed. Gotta take out Akron at home. That said, throwing a 19 year-old-kid under the bus (e.g., calling him "trash") when he is out there doing everything he can is not a reflection of the QB, the coach, or team....but rather a reflection of you. If you would not walk up to him on campus and call him a piece of sh$t to his face don't do it here. And to think the kid was being hailed just a week or two ago. +1 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,485 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:18:37 PM  Pataskala wrote: GoCats105 wrote: I'm sitting here wondering why we threw 36 passes with a Freshman QB when Dorian Brown had 91 yards on only 12 carries. I don't think the QB is the problem here. And why did only three players carry the football last night? It's not like we were down four or five TDs and had to throw every down to get back in it. It's 17-3. It's not the end of the world. 58 of Brown's 91 yds came on one carry. That means he had 32 yds in the other 11 carries, less than 3 per carry. The O line really wasn't helping the running game for most of the night. Maybe only 3 players carried the ball because that is all we have who are healthy??? Back to Top 89Cat General User Member Since: 9/12/2011 Post Count: 64 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 12:31:28 PM  We need to beat Akron and get into the MACC so we can have the distinction of losing to Eastern, Western and Central all in the same season. Not sure if we ever accomplished that even in the 80's Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:19:58 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Monroe, here's the mediocre team we lost to last night at its best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Vg-0QSzU Last night CMU had their mojo back, after three weeks of laying big time eggs. I'm not making excuses for our very poor offensive showing in the first half and our fumbles, but I'm trying to add just a little perspective, a little balance, if you will, to your constant drumbeat -- a veritable BA nattering nabob of negativism. And here's a reminder of the mediocre team we are. If you going to point out CMU's big win...let's not forget OUr loss to a team that has one FBS win.....vs. Ohio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2RGapCwLZQ Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:21:05 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Monroe, here's the mediocre team we lost to last night at its best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24Vg-0QSzU Last night CMU had their mojo back, after three weeks of laying big time eggs. I'm not making excuses for our very poor offensive showing in the first half and our fumbles, but I'm trying to add just a little perspective, a little balance, if you will, to your constant drumbeat -- a veritable BA nattering nabob of negativism. You are making excuses. Monroe is easy to caricature partly because he caricatures himself with redundant posts, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something better than 7-4 given this awful schedule. Our track record suggests a 50% chance of blowing it against Akron and laying an egg in a bowl game - or squeaking past Akron and getting destroyed by Western. Some of us are tired of 7-8 win seasons of feasting on the dregs of the FBS, so we're wary at best about this team. I'm glad that we have high expectations, and I'm grateful not to have a program like the perennial doormat that was here for so long and that still exists in the conference. Being upset at a flat showing against a .500 team is not being negative -- it's having some reasonable expectations. So right. The mediocrity is tiresome. The support of it is even more tiresome. Back to Top TheBobcatBandit General User Member Since: 8/25/2013 Post Count: 611 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:33:22 PM  Certainly not the best loss but lets not act like this game should've been a gimme. Road MAC games have and will always be hard. CMU isn't one of the bottom feeders in the MAC either. CMU always gives us trouble. Losing away by 1 TD to them isn't as bad a result as it is being made out to be. This is the same CMU that beat 8-2 Oklahoma State earlier in the season. Now if we lose to Akron at home with the MAC East title on the line. That's a different story. If that happens we can pile on but losing a close away game to a solid MAC team isn't that bad of a loss. Last Edited: 11/16/2016 1:34:43 PM by TheBobcatBandit Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:39:14 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Maybe only 3 players carried the ball because that is all we have who are healthy??? Well, I think DL Knock, the walkon WR converted to RB is healthy. He could have gotten some carries. AJ is out for the season. Vinny Emanuele may be done with his career. Brown has a couple injuries, but is able to play, but he may not be able to handle 20-30 carries. Irons has issues with hamstrings, ankles, and shoulder, I believe. Hardy has a broken arm. White can handle a few runs, but he's not really a guy you want to give it to 20 times, either. So, with no running back left to handle the load, Ohio had to rely on Maxwell to run and throw, and he had his worst game throwing the ball. Despite all that, Ohio still outgained CMU by 357 yards to 286. They came back, and nearly won, but the 4-1 turnover advantage they handed CMU was too much. Did they lose due to injuries? No. They adjusted the game plan to give them the best chance of winning with what they had. They should have won, but unfortunately the turnover advantage they've had all season caught up with them. If Ohio can win the next two, this game won't matter in the end. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:40:54 PM  89Cat wrote: We need to beat Akron and get into the MACC so we can have the distinction of losing to Eastern, Western and Central all in the same season. Not sure if we ever accomplished that even in the 80's It won't count, though, unless they lose to WMU by the score of 27-20. They need that for the Trifecta. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:43:53 PM  L.C. wrote: They should have won, but unfortunately the turnover advantage they've had all season caught up with them. If Ohio can win the next two, this game won't matter in the end. Exactly. I don't think anyone thinks this game should've been a gimmie. But this is a game Ohio should've won. That's where (at least my) frustration lie. This is just a microcosm of where this program is. Inconsistency when it comes to landing the knockout punch. Good programs find ways to win these kinds of games on a consistent basis. Ohio just isnt' there....and it's frustrating that after 12 years, Solich & staff haven't gotten them there. Last Edited: 11/16/2016 1:44:26 PM by bshot44 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 1:50:18 PM  To be clear, my post wasn't really intended to do any more than answer the questions of "why did they run the QB so much" and "why didn't they spread the carries around" and "why didn't they run the ball more" and "why didn't Hardy get carries". They did what they did for a reason, and the reason was because they believed it gave them the best chance to win with what they had available. Ideally they could have had a healthy RB and fed him the ball 30 times, but that wasn't an option in this game, so they did something else. As to Maxwell, no, this wasn't his best game. He needs to learn from this, and improve. It's a shame that Windham wasn't available to bring in and let him sit awhile. He played much better in the second half than the first, and that's a good sign. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,827 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 2:11:18 PM  For only being a freshman, Maxwell last night looked pretty similar to every QB we have had since TT graduated but with time and room to grow. Sprague and Vick were average college QBs at best and were older/more time in the program. Don't know if Q will ever been All-MAC but should be top 1/3 for the next three years IMHO. The offensive line provided underwhelming help last night for those healthy enough to line up in the backfield. A couple of key sacks by CMU came at horrible times. Usually when the team has clicked on offense Belack, Reid and Ball have a couple of big catches. While they had their chances in the game they didn't seem to come down with the ball when it was needed most. Hopefully all of the youth playing in the secondary will help the team depth in coming years. They got their lunch handed to them a lot last night. Some plays were based on athleticism/talent but a lot was a result of poor technique. Hope there was a learning experience for everyone involved. Maxwell racked up a lot of heart, grit, and guts stats in my scoreboard last night. Can't coach or develop those and he has a lot of depth there in my opinion. Ohio-The State University Back to Top BEG General User Member Since: 5/22/2013 Post Count: 40 Status: Offline     RE: DEPLORABLE 💩💩💩💩💩💩    Posted: 11/16/2016 2:29:18 PM  KC Bobcat wrote: I have no concerns with Maxwell other than for his own health. He is a good enough runner to scramble out of trouble or an occasional sneak. But why Albin insists on calling so many QB draws and options is beyond me. And every time we run an option or sweep to the weak side, I cringe, regardless of who is carrying the ball. +1,000,000 Back to Top Showing Replies:   26 - 50  of 141 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 199 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 199 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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