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colobobcat66
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Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 10:49:40 AM

It's anybody's guess, but who do you think will join the new Big12?
I'm saying BYU, Colorado State, Cincy and UConn. Or Memphis, BYU, Cincy and UCF. Or Houston, BYU, Cincy and UConn. Who knows?

It may affect the MAC because we may lose a team or 2 to the AAC.

Heck even NIU is being mentioned on the sports channel this morning and it's not the first time. Don't see that one happening for lots of reasons.

Last Edited: 7/20/2016 10:59:39 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 10:58:47 AM

We need to make a play for this, expand Peden with an upper deck and bring it to 45,000 people. Would be huge regional rivalry with WVU and would put us in the game nationally.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 11:31:18 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Because of being close to WVU, and the size of the TV Market, I'd imagine UC is a really solid candidate, and I'm biased on that. After that, I'd imagine one Florida school is a must, and UConn for East Coast TV markets. I wonder about Memphis/BYU/Colorado fighting for a spot together. I see Houston on the outside looking in because, really, what do they add that the Big12 doesn't already have in Texas, Baylor, and TCU?

Or maybe they add Memphis and UC, and then BYU and Colorado State? Two midwest schools and two mountain schools?

Who knows...I do know that this is something about the MAC that I like: Geographic proximity. I like that I can go to a rival school within a short drive.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 11:32:06 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

We need to make a play for this, expand Peden with an upper deck and bring it to 45,000 people. Would be huge regional rivalry with WVU and would put us in the game nationally.

Don't hold your breath and keep dreaming sir.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 12:45:32 PM

OU_Country wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

We need to make a play for this, expand Peden with an upper deck and bring it to 45,000 people. Would be huge regional rivalry with WVU and would put us in the game nationally.

Don't hold your breath and keep dreaming sir.

He was being sarcastic.

While the AAC is a possibility, the B12 is not. BTW knows that. He just likes to stir the pot sometimes. ;-)

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 1:01:19 PM

Well, they got permission to institute a title game without further expansion, so I don't see them adding anyone real soon, unless its someone big or in a bigger than the conference's current average media market

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 1:42:49 PM

I'm very curious what the AAC looks like after this.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 2:51:21 PM

mf279801 wrote:

Despite that, apparently they've decided to expand sooner rather than later:

http://tinyurl.com/hwkz9ns

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 4:03:10 PM

Oh yeah, well we should start our own power conference...with blackjack....and hookers! In fact, forget the conference!

Ah, screw the whole thing....

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 4:18:10 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

We need to make a play for this, expand Peden with an upper deck and bring it to 45,000 people. Would be huge regional rivalry with WVU and would put us in the game nationally.

Don't hold your breath and keep dreaming sir.

He was being sarcastic.

While the AAC is a possibility, the B12 is not. BTW knows that. He just likes to stir the pot sometimes. ;-)

Yeah, sorry gang, my sarcasm detector missed on that one.

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Posted: 7/20/2016 4:19:05 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

Despite that, apparently they've decided to expand sooner rather than later:

http://tinyurl.com/hwkz9ns

I assume this has to do with the announcement of the ACC deal through ESPN, and not much else.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 4:21:00 PM

Here's a link via Lance McAlister on 700 WLW to a bunch of stories on this topic:

http://700wlw.iheart.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/what-... /

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/20/2016 4:56:34 PM

Having grown up in the Queen City I have always wanted the biggest and best for UC athletics. While not a super die hard fan, I do follow the football and basketball teams and listen on radio/watch on TV when I can.

My uncle is a prof and he used to give my family free tickets to football because that was the best hope to put butts in seats. To think that it is even a POSSIBILITY that the Bearcats could soon be in a conference with Oklahoma (not Tulsa) or Texas (not SMU) is almost hard to comprehend. It was wild enough about a decade ago when they went into the old Big East and became a factor in football almost instantly.

I remember basketball always being top notch growing up but still the best team from a less than stellar conference (be it the old Metro, MCC, Conference USA now AAC-Big East was a dream come true in its old form for hoops). The caliber of players that would come to Clifton if they get to play Kansas et al is exciting to think about.

A lot of local talent that has left down for bigger opportunities may stay if they will be in a Power 5 program.

Where my dad took me to see UAB I might be able to take my son to see Texas.

The thing that has me cautiously optimistic is the WVU factor. They are definitely on an island and I could see the conference wanting to bridge that. I also think that this is UC's only/last hope of jumping across the ever-widening chasm between the Power/Group of 5.

Also, many programs in the current Big 12 could certainly benefit from the talent that plays on Friday nights here in Ohio.

Last Edited: 7/20/2016 4:58:43 PM by OUcats82

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 7:49:20 AM

The Optimist wrote:

I'm very curious what the AAC looks like after this.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 8:12:26 AM

My opinion:

UC is a lock. They felt left behind when the ACC expanded and Louisville got invited but they didn't. The stadium upgrades and facelift to the basketball arena tell me they are going for bigger and better. Plus, the Big 12 needs a rivalry with WVU.

BYU is a coin flip. I think they secretly like where they are as an independent. They're on national TV every week pretty much no matter what. They play a national schedule every week. But if the Big 12 sends enough money their way I could see them joining.

If they wanted to stay in the area, go Houston. They just built a new stadium. The high octane offense already matches the Big 12. It's in a large metro area, #4 in population in the US. What's not to like?

And then of course the others have their own perks. Memphis has the whole FedEx thing going for it. UCF provides a Florida connection and they are the #2 or #3 school in enrollment numbers I think. UConn sounds like a good idea because of basketball, not so much football.

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Posted: 7/21/2016 8:43:17 AM

I see why people are suggesting UCF, but that will just be the WVU situation all over again. They'll be an island in the conference.

If they add 4 teams, and one of those is Houston, they could go to two 7 team divisions split north/south, with the south being all the Texas and Oklahoma teams, and the north being everyone else. That's horrible from a competitive balance standpoint, but $$$$$$ matters most of all....especially UT's $$$$$$$.

So, I'll make my guess as Cincy, Houston, UConn, and.....Memphis.

Marshall gets passed over for the AAC again. Herd Nation weeps.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 9:04:21 AM

It's kind of depressing that I have not seen Ohio's name in any of the articles about any of the effects of this latest string of moves. Not one. I have seen NIU, Toledo, WMU,BGSU and Buffalo. We're in good(?) company because Miami hasn't been mentioned either that I can find.

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Posted: 7/21/2016 9:31:22 AM

ESPN did an anonymous poll with the football coaches each picking the two teams they'd like to add. The results:
Houston 5
BYU 5
Cincinnati 4
Memphis 4
Colorado State 1
UCF 1

So basically four teams are fairly evenly liked by the football coaches. Of course, while football is very important, there's lots of other factors to consider besides what 10 coaches think.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 10:55:26 AM

As I understand it, WVU is making a strong pitch to add both UC and Memphis to give them some more nearby rivals. I'm guessing that The Mountaineers get their way. If the go to 14, I suspect that the other two will be Houston and BYU.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 11:38:22 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion?

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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:05:04 PM

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Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion?

In the event that the Big Twelve does expand by taking members from the AAC, the AAC will need to take members from another conference, most likely CUSA or the MAC. What would the AAC be looking for? Here are some things that they might look for in a school:
1. Competitive teams in major sports
2. Good facilities in major sports
3. Strong attendance in major sports
4. Either a strong local media market, or a name that conveys broader appeal than to just a single city.
5. A stable athletic department

Does Ohio meet these tests? Not all of them, but probably enough of them that Ohio would at least be one of the teams considered. Are there other teams in the MAC and CUSA that meet them better? Time will tell. Would Ohio be interested in moving the AAC if given the chance? I don't know.

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 1:23:08 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion?

Of course I'm just talking about our comparisons to the MAC teams mentioned.

Better attendance is the one thing that comes to mind.

I don't know if the records are all that different than some of the other teams.

Improving facilities, academic center to follow.

Better academics than all but Buffalo.

Bigger endowment than most if the teams mentioned.

Bigger brand?

It's Ohio we're talking about. I'd just love to see us in the discussion.

Last Edited: 7/21/2016 1:26:51 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Big 12 Expansion

Posted: 7/21/2016 4:02:00 PM

L.C. wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Why is that depressing? What has Ohio done to prove it should be in the discussion?

As a fan, I would not be interested in Ohio being in the AAC. If you take out the top 2-3 teams, that's not a very appealing situation if you ask me. The only advantage is the TV contract, but how long would that contract last if UC, UConn, UCF, or Memphis weren't part of the conference?

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Posted: 7/21/2016 6:54:29 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

I actually could see NIU as a member if it gives the Big 12 better access to the Chicago market. That would be a shot across the bow to the Big 10.

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Posted: 7/21/2016 10:28:47 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

I actually could see NIU as a member if it gives the Big 12 better access to the Chicago market. That would be a shot across the bow to the Big 10.

Chicago is relevant to the Big10 due to the sheer number of Big10 alumni in that city, and the regional area sitting right in the middle of Big10 country. Adding NIU is not going to cut into that dynamic.

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