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Amazing. shabamon wrote: I've read several articles about the story (most of them suck) and the one thing I can't figure out is does Ray Watts deserve as much vitriol as he is receiving? How much influence of this decision did he have or was he forced to accept it? This is his job. He's paid very well partially for this very thing. To be the face of such decisions and take the hate. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,121 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 1:23:39 PM  Ohio69 wrote: JSF wrote: I liked the one player who angrily asked if he was supposed to focus on his education now. Wow. Amazing. shabamon wrote: I've read several articles about the story (most of them suck) and the one thing I can't figure out is does Ray Watts deserve as much vitriol as he is receiving? How much influence of this decision did he have or was he forced to accept it? This is his job. He's paid very well partially for this very thing. To be the face of such decisions and take the hate. But does he deserve it? Could he have done more to fight the good fight? Is he completely at the mercy of the BOT's vote? Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 1:24:23 PM  shabamon wrote: I've read several articles about the story (most of them suck) and the one thing I can't figure out is does Ray Watts deserve as much vitriol as he is receiving? How much influence of this decision did he have or was he forced to accept it? That's kinda my impression too: (A) This really sucks for everyone involved, and (B) the Alabama Board of Trustees wanted it done so it's done sorry you're the fall guy Ray Watts but Roll Tide! Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 1:50:59 PM  I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,922 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 1:59:15 PM  Another peculiar thing in all this: why isn't the Board of Trustees trying to shut down South Alabama, which just recently joined the FBS ranks? That school is in a weaker conference (less money), but is located in good football city in Mobile and has around the same enrollment figures as UAB. How can the Board justify that happening, but not helping out UAB? Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,158 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 1:59:24 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. It's very possible, but this is a somewhat unique situation because of the BOT structure here. It is probably true that if more schools starting doing this, others could jump on board, but that movement has a long way to go to have much momentum. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,399 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 2:23:58 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. It's very possible, but this is a somewhat unique situation because of the BOT structure here. It is probably true that if more schools starting doing this, others could jump on board, but that movement has a long way to go to have much momentum. I think this is unique. In fact, the trend has been for more schools to make the jump to the FBS football level. It will be interesting to see if there are any savings here for UAB. And, if in fact, they're passed on to the students. As many of have stated, this doesn't appear to be entirely about the money. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 3:39:00 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Another peculiar thing in all this: why isn't the Board of Trustees trying to shut down South Alabama, which just recently joined the FBS ranks? That school is in a weaker conference (less money), but is located in good football city in Mobile and has around the same enrollment figures as UAB. How can the Board justify that happening, but not helping out UAB? I believe South Alabama has its own Board of Trustees. I don't think they are a branch of The University of Alabama! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 3:42:22 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another peculiar thing in all this: why isn't the Board of Trustees trying to shut down South Alabama, which just recently joined the FBS ranks? That school is in a weaker conference (less money), but is located in good football city in Mobile and has around the same enrollment figures as UAB. How can the Board justify that happening, but not helping out UAB? I believe South Alabama has its own Board of Trustees. I don't think they are a branch of The University of Alabama! ;-) Yes, I'm correct: Established in 1969, The University of Alabama System includes The University of Alabama (located in Tuscaloosa), The University of Alabama at Birmingham, and The University of Alabama in Huntsville. The System is governed by a self-nominating Board of fifteen elected and two ex-officio members. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,922 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 4:18:13 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another peculiar thing in all this: why isn't the Board of Trustees trying to shut down South Alabama, which just recently joined the FBS ranks? That school is in a weaker conference (less money), but is located in good football city in Mobile and has around the same enrollment figures as UAB. How can the Board justify that happening, but not helping out UAB? I believe South Alabama has its own Board of Trustees. I don't think they are a branch of The University of Alabama! ;-) Yes, I'm correct: Established in 1969, The University of Alabama System includes The University of Alabama (located in Tuscaloosa), The University of Alabama at Birmingham, and The University of Alabama in Huntsville. The System is governed by a self-nominating Board of fifteen elected and two ex-officio members. Thanks, OCF. Back to Top Tim Burke General User Member Since: 11/23/2004 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Post Count: 606 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/3/2014 5:32:35 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Another peculiar thing in all this: why isn't the Board of Trustees trying to shut down South Alabama, which just recently joined the FBS ranks? That school is in a weaker conference (less money), but is located in good football city in Mobile and has around the same enrollment figures as UAB. How can the Board justify that happening, but not helping out UAB? They don't need to justify it. And Mobile isn't Birmingham. Hell, there are a lot of FSU fans in Mobile. Sick individuals, they are, but they exist. Ohio '99 EMU '00 USF '08(?) Back to Top DXer General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Mobile, AL Post Count: 135 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/6/2014 2:10:59 AM  South Alabama is not a part of the University of Alabama system. USA is totally separate. The University of Alabama has three campuses - Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Huntsville. The three campuses are under the same Board of Directors, a vast majority of which are grads from the Tuscaloosa campus. To make an interesting analogy, imagine OU being part of the Ohio State system and being under the same Board of Directors. What percentage of support for football from the Board would be divided between Columbus and Athens? 99 to 1? 90 to 10? That was the problem with UAB. They say that anyime UAB wanted to better their program, the Board turned them down. Also there is an interesting story circulating that involves Bear Bryant, of all people. It seems the old Alabama coach was extremely put out by UAB wanting to start a D1 football program and continually worked against them. Imagine tosu's response if OU didn't have a football program but wanted to start one. Well anyway, it seems that Bear Bryant's son is still a member of the Board of Directors but is forced to retire at the beginning of next year due to age restrictions. Some sports journalists down here speculate that part of this situation is Mr. Bryant's parting shot to avenge for UAB crossing his father years ago. There is also speculation that South Alabama could replace UAB in CUSA. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/6/2014 9:43:40 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. Watch what the P5 do. If they vote to raise scholarship limits to 100 players for example, and choose to allow stipends of $2,000 to their players ( all rumored to eventually be happening), you will start to see other smaller FBS programs fold in the coming years. Back to Top ts1227 General User Member Since: 2/28/2006 Location: Tallmadge, OH Post Count: 853 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/6/2014 11:28:55 AM  shabamon wrote: Ohio69 wrote: JSF wrote: I liked the one player who angrily asked if he was supposed to focus on his education now. Wow. Amazing. shabamon wrote: I've read several articles about the story (most of them suck) and the one thing I can't figure out is does Ray Watts deserve as much vitriol as he is receiving? How much influence of this decision did he have or was he forced to accept it? This is his job. He's paid very well partially for this very thing. To be the face of such decisions and take the hate. But does he deserve it? Could he have done more to fight the good fight? Is he completely at the mercy of the BOT's vote? I had read something somewhere (don't remember where now) saying that a lot of the heat he's taking on campus comes from the fact that the previous president otr two put up a fight when any of these type of measures came up (not necessarily to discontinue, but the repeated attempts from Paul Bryant Jr. over the past 20 or so years to screw them over to set up the events of this past week), whereas Watts just rolled over and took it. Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 4:56:37 PM  https://sports.vice.com/article/screw-the-math-uab-can-af... Phenomenal article from VICE Sports on the UAB situation, and the myth of them not being able to afford to participate in FBS football. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 5:30:31 PM  It will be interesting to see what happens in a couple other areas that at first don't seem related. Some have argued that having football attracts other students. What will happen to their applications, and to their plans to expand enrollment? Also, in looking at endowments, I found what appeared to be a very strong correlation between endowment giving and football. Based on that, I personally expect UAB to see a significant drop in alumni giving to their general fund, and a lot slower growth in their endowment going forward. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 8:15:39 PM  Do they have any players worth going after? They should be able to transfer and play right away. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,047 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 9:05:22 PM  I can't imagine dropping football will have any significant impact on enrollment at UAB. Their football attendance hasn't been very good overall. If you live in the South and you're really interested in attending a football school, you ain't goin to UAB anyway. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 9:18:14 PM  L.C., I wonder if they have their own endowment fund, or if it's administered by the main campus in Tuscaloosa? They are under the same board as the main campus, and it appears to me that they have very little autonomy. It's not exactly like UCLA or UC Berkeley. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 11:44:32 PM  This whole thing just feels so shady, underhanded and disgraceful. I feel awful for UAB and their fans. To put it in a perspective we might understand, I see it almost as if OU shut down OU-Lancaster's athletic program. What does OU have to gain? It's not like we're on the same playing field or competing for recruits. Same thing with UAB. The gap between Alabama and them is cavernous. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/8/2014 11:49:04 PM  D.A. wrote: https://sports.vice.com/article/screw-the-math-uab-can-af... Phenomenal article from VICE Sports on the UAB situation, and the myth of them not being able to afford to participate in FBS football. You owe it to yourself to read this. Explanation of football "costs" is spot on. Some of our esteemed faculty should have this as required reading...things are not always as they seem. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,504 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/9/2014 7:03:01 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. Watch what the P5 do. If they vote to raise scholarship limits to 100 players for example, and choose to allow stipends of $2,000 to their players ( all rumored to eventually be happening), you will start to see other smaller FBS programs fold in the coming years. There still a big hurdle to the P5 schools increasing scholarships and giving stipends. Namely Title IX. As I understand it,if you increase football to 100 scholarships,you'd have to compensate in other sports to stay Title IX compliant. I also don't know if how,legally, you could limit stipends to 1 or 2 sports. Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/9/2014 8:07:45 AM  catfan28 wrote: D.A. wrote: https://sports.vice.com/article/screw-the-math-uab-can-af... Phenomenal article from VICE Sports on the UAB situation, and the myth of them not being able to afford to participate in FBS football. You owe it to yourself to read this. Explanation of football "costs" is spot on. Some of our esteemed faculty should have this as required reading...things are not always as they seem. +1. Within the last year I did a water rate study on a city to determine the "true" cost of making water as a consultant. When all the numbers were exposed, and expenses were normalized, "interfund" transfers camoflagued the actual cost to make water. Despite what might have been their finance department's best intentions to navigate bureaucracy and balance a budget, the reality was water didn't cost as much as was being reported. Some of the inconsistencies in the mentioned "interfund" transfers included the city charging the city's water utility* more for city services and personnel than the city literally paid at the end of the day. The excess was used in turn to subsidize other operations. *(for clarification the city's water utility was the city, not a third party) I have no doubt that this type of creative accountanting takes place wherever bureaucracy is present, including Ohio University. I would imagine the "true" cost to play football at OHIO is also less than is being reported for similar reasons. Last Edited: 12/9/2014 8:27:19 AM by The Situation Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,067 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/9/2014 8:22:32 AM  That's a common problem in business, too. It is reflected in the difference between "direct costing" and "fully absorbed costing". Most people like to use fully absorbed costing, but the problem is that it gives the wrong answers when used to make decisions. If you cut out a product, or department, the costs never fall as far as expected because only the direct costs go away, not the absorbed costs. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,485 Status: Offline     RE: UAB to Drop Football    Posted: 12/9/2014 11:41:33 AM  rpbobcat wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: I understand that there's a lot more to the whole thing and plenty of questionable political decisions. I still see UAB as a canary in the coal mine. I don't think they'll be the only FBS program to fold in the next few years. Watch what the P5 do. If they vote to raise scholarship limits to 100 players for example, and choose to allow stipends of $2,000 to their players ( all rumored to eventually be happening), you will start to see other smaller FBS programs fold in the coming years. I also don't know if how,legally, you could limit stipends to 1 or 2 sports. You are not!!! Back to Top Showing Replies:   51 - 75  of 94 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 378 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 378 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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