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Bcat2
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WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 3:46:38 PM

Last Edited: 9/15/2014 10:50:26 PM by Bcat2

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 4:23:15 PM

You're implicitly condemning a whole team based on one tweet from one guy who's not connected to Idaho or a first-hand witness. I hope you weren't a journalism major.

Last Edited: 9/15/2014 11:08:30 PM by Recovering Journalist

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 4:27:59 PM

Last Edited: 9/15/2014 10:50:59 PM by Bcat2

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 4:34:08 PM

I love Arkley's work, but Twitter is not a place for vetted and verified stories. He retweets a lot of stuff that flies around and is somewhat MAC-related. I wouldn't read it as an endorsement (though I personally would not have chosen to highlight this in any way as a journalist unless I knew it to be true).

Without substantiation, this is hearsay at best, and a pile of crap at worst. When have you known the winning team to trash a locker room and steal things? Why are there absolutely no actual news reports of this event? Could it be true? I guess, but I don't know, and you don't either. And unless Arkley was there covering it or has awesome sources in Moscow, Idaho, he probably doesn't know either.

I don't mind trashing opponents with they deserve it (or when they're Fiami) but truth and accuracy are important.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 8:15:51 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

You're implicitly condemning a whole team based on one tweet from one guy who's not connected to Idaho or a first-hand witness. I hope you weren't a journalism major.

It's the same verify used by almost every cable news channel.

Last Edited: 9/16/2014 4:18:58 PM by Pataskala

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 8:35:05 PM

Last Edited: 9/15/2014 10:51:43 PM by Bcat2

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 10:32:11 PM

nice to see that one baseless claim on twitter and one baseless accusation on Idaho's message board by a brand new account is enough for some people to jump on the bandwagon of guilty until proven innocent.

There are some basic questions that need to be answered before judgment can be rendered, starting with- how much time passed between when the Broncos left the facilities and when the damage was discovered?

If it was minutes then why wasn't PJ Fleck notified before his team left town? If it was hours then how do we know it was the Broncos that caused the damage and not somebody else that gained access after they were gone?

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/15/2014 10:46:29 PM

Twitter-centric journalism isn't journalism. It's a lazy man's way to get a half-baked story. I'm not saying that sometimes under some circumstances you can't use Twitter as a complementary source for a story, but I see way too many stories that rely too much on Twitter and other internet sources rather than personal investigation and interviewing by the reporter. Also, I'm not saying that Arkley is lazy, because he's not. He writes a lot of very good articles based on his personal interviews and observations; however, not all of his tweets are up to his own journalistic standards. I tend to view tweets as interesting leads to possible stories, not stories in and of themselves.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 12:18:52 AM

Retweets do not equal endorsements.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 4:20:08 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 6:33:21 PM

It sounds like some people may have a misunderstanding of what Twitter is and how it is used. Journalists, like Arkley, will use Twitter to quickly communicate news-worthy events, but that is not its sole purpose. Twitter is also a means to communicate ideas and opinions and engage others in conversation on topics ranging from important to trivial. This is commonly understood by most Twitter users.

So when Arkley tweets that his sources have confirmed that Jim Christian will be announced as the next head basketball coach of Boston College he is putting his journalistic integrity behind that assertion, and it is understood by those who read it that there is a high probability of truth to his tweet.

However, when Arkley retweets a tweet from a kid who's quoting a friend who is on the girl's track team at Idaho without adding further comment the reader should know not to take that as an endorsement of the statements but rather a heads up that this may or may not be a real event. The expectation is that Arkley, as a journalist, will look into the allegation and get back to his followers with more information at a later date.

That's why creating this thread off of the basis of one tweet was a bad idea, there is no credible evidence to the accusations made. That's not the fault of Twitter or Arkley, but a misunderstanding by the reader.

Last Edited: 9/16/2014 6:35:00 PM by perimeterpost

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 7:13:55 PM

Anyone who re-tweets something volatile and of questionable veracity without adding caveat--well, that just ain't right.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 8:06:19 PM

The journalist following this story is Theo Lawson of the Lewiston Tribune who covers Idaho football for them. His twitter is found here:
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_Trib

The latest word is:

Theo Lawson wrote:

I just received this from Spear [Idaho AD] via email: "There was an incident related to the overall cleanliness and minor structural damage. This has been resolved and WMU will pay for additional custodial and costs and minor damages."

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/16/2014 9:33:36 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone who re-tweets something volatile and of questionable veracity without adding caveat--well, that just ain't right.

The content of the tweet was obviously hearsay and rumor, there's no need for Arkley to comment beyond that. Twitter users should be astute enough to understand the context of a message.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/17/2014 12:50:53 AM

Better, more business-like to absolutely and affirmatively eliminate all doubt.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/17/2014 8:58:56 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone who re-tweets something volatile and of questionable veracity without adding caveat--well, that just ain't right.

The content of the tweet was obviously hearsay and rumor, there's no need for Arkley to comment beyond that. Twitter users should be astute enough to understand the context of a message.

I get what you're saying, perimeter, and that's fine for fun/interesting tidbits of information. When you're helping spread unverified and potentially damaging information, however, a professional journalist should be much more judicious about retweeting. In this case, the OP shared it based upon perceived credibility from the retweet, not the original tweet. Arkley could have retweeted with some kind of disclaimer ("I'll be following this story" or "I wonder if this will be verified") and it would have made clear that someone made an accusation, and it had yet to be proven. Simple, and still spreading the information, but doing so more responsibly.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/17/2014 10:20:31 AM

L.C. wrote:

The journalist following this story is Theo Lawson of the Lewiston Tribune who covers Idaho football for them. His twitter is found here:
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_Trib

The latest word is:

Theo Lawson wrote:

So it does seem Idaho had to deal with "minor" damage serious enough for the ADs to get involved and for which WMU has assumed financial responsibility. This should never happen. Teams travel on behalf of, at great expense to and as representatives of their schools. This must be held as an honor and a privilege. Representing well should be as important as winning. Coaches and team captains need to walk through hotel rooms and guest facilities from schools before teams move on. I have done this and when your team expects their rooms and areas will checked, that they must respect other guests of hotels, that their appearance and behavior at the hotel breakfast matter you can return to your school with a win and proud. When you return with a win but damaged the school name in the process someone needs to evaluate your value.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/17/2014 1:56:36 PM

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perimeterpost wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Anyone who re-tweets something volatile and of questionable veracity without adding caveat--well, that just ain't right.

The content of the tweet was obviously hearsay and rumor, there's no need for Arkley to comment beyond that. Twitter users should be astute enough to understand the context of a message.

you're saying Arkley should have retweeted with an attached disclaimer, I'm saying none is needed because the original source, which can be seen in the retweet, is obviously not an official source. A retweet is not validation or even a tacit endorsement of the content and most people who use Twitter are aware of that.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 9/17/2014 4:44:54 PM

And, now an article about it, and then the issue is done:
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2014/09/western_mi...

The damage amounted to $500 worth.

Last Edited: 9/17/2014 4:46:12 PM by L.C.

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 10/8/2014 1:39:27 PM

For those curious about the state that WMU left the locker room in, here are some pictures: http://tinyurl.com/mc5rum4

mlive.com wrote:

Idaho athletic director Rob Spear wrote to Beauregard that a championship track and field plaque was broken and a signed marketing poster from the winning track and field team team was torn off the wall and cooked in a microwave along with other items.

Spear also wrote to Beauregard that sinks were damaged and would possibly have to be remounted and that a ceiling tile was broken, items were destroyed and stolen from lockers and one locker was written on. Photos obtained by the Associated Press show trash across the floor inside the locker room.

PJ Fleck maintains that the players did nothing wrong. I guess that is why the story hasn't died.
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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 10/8/2014 8:06:52 PM

All that and they only have a photo of the floor with cut tape laying around?

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RE: WMU's Great Players

Posted: 10/8/2014 10:52:08 PM

Well, there is a photo of the broken trophy, but it's hard to say that wasn't accidental. The signed poster being microwaved wouldn't be an accident, obviously, but it would be hard to show that in a picture, and same for the sinks being pulled loose from the wall. It does look like a kind of rude way to leave a locker room, but it's hard to see extensive damage.

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