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The Pessimist
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  Message Not Read  WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 8:20:12 AM 
Wall Street Journal says we're better than Akron.  That's about it.  Every other MAC team is more powerful than us and/or more admirable than our team.

And yes, I do get all my sporting news from the WSJ.

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 8:54:17 AM 
Looks like they just threw darts at a board.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 9:00:00 AM 
The "admirable" dimension is most odd. My best guess is that it it based on information from several years ago, rather than current information. If you go back to 5-9 years ago, there were a lot of individual issues that gave the team some bad press, where things like horse-punching, bar fights, or running through a glass door during a robbery come to mind. I draw a blank, though, when it comes to problems in the last few years. By contrast, up near the top in admirability is Nebraska. By contrast, they have had their share of bad press lately, including a starting linebacker who was arrested for stealing bicycles - he and a track team member had 7 stolen bikes on their truck, and told police he was planning on selling them on the internet. Felony charges were dropped, but it still is a black eye for the program.

I'm not trying to knock Nebraska here; I'm just pointing out that I don't understand how that program is dramatically more admirable than Ohio. I think both programs are similar - mostly good, with an occasional bad apple.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 9:02:57 AM 

My how far we've fallen since 2012.

The new WSJ intern must have a grudge against OHIO.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 9:17:42 AM 
Notre Dame is the most interesting to me on here.  I would guess they would be near the top for admirable.  The cheating scandals there are a result of their much tougher academic requirements and strict enforcement.  

I'm sure the scandals hurt them in this case, but really should be looked at as a positive.  Most schools sweep this under the rug.

They were however responsible for the video intern dying a couple of years ago, and the rape cover up that resulted in a suicide....so if they factored those two in, it should be much lower...

 
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   Posted: 8/28/2014 10:01:54 AM 
Horse-punching?



 

Where's the band?!
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 10:20:51 AM 
All I can think of looking at this grid is how well respected the Ohio State program is considering their band is a bunch of sexual degenerates.

Hopefully FIU fans or Ohio State fans who claim they put Ohio first don't find this post offensive.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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Ohio69
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 10:45:11 AM 

Amazing how we could fall so far from 2012 to 2014.  Kind of shows how silly this grid is.  Suddenly we are not admirable?  Huh?


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 10:55:57 AM 
The Situation wrote:

My how far we've fallen since 2012.

The new WSJ intern must have a grudge against OHIO.


The new intern has a grudge, not just against Ohio, but against the entire MAC. There are huge drops for almost every MAC team:
Ohio drops from +7/8 to -1/2, drop of 1 3/8
CMU falls from +7/8 to -1/4, drop of 1 1/8
Miami drops from +2/3 to -1/3, drop of 1
U.Mass drops from +1/8 to -3/4, drop of 7/8
BG drops from +3/4 to 0, a drop of 3/4
Buffalo drops from -1/8 to -3/4, drop of 5/8
NIU drops from +3/8 to -1/4, drop of 5/8
Akron drops from -1/4 to -7/8, drop of 5/8
Kent State falls from +1/2 to 0, drop of 1/2
WMU drops from +7/8 to +3/8, drop of 1/2
EMU falls from -1/4 to -3/8, drop of 1/8
Toledo drops from +1/4 to +1/8, drop of 1/8
Ball State rises from -1/2 to -3/8, increase of 1/8

Overall the MAC moved from 9/13 teams with a positive admirability to 2/12 teams, and from an average of +.32 to an average of -.31. I think this is just wrong. I see a lot to admire about most of the MAC programs, programs that do a lot with a little, and which are generally run cleanly.

The Optimist wrote:
All I can think of looking at this grid is how well respected the Ohio State program is considering their band is a bunch of sexual degenerates.

Hopefully FIU fans or Ohio State fans who claim they put Ohio first don't find this post offensive.

Yes, Ohio State has vaulted up the admirability rankings in the wakes of their various scandals, They were at -1, and now are at +1/2.

It's hard for me to imagine what tangible data they could be putting into their data to come out with the shifts that have happened over the last two years.
 

Last Edited: 8/28/2014 11:02:26 AM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 11:17:48 AM 
Apparently smoking pot and DUIs (Missouri) and punching people (LSU) qualifies as admirable. Nobody in the SEC other than Vanderbilt should be in that grid. And even they last year had their share of off-the-field issues.
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 11:34:27 AM 
My thought in looking at the grid is that I wonder if success in fundraising is part of the measure of  "admirability"? After all, people presumably give to programs they admire, right? There are a few programs with high fundraising, like Oklahoma and Penn State towards the bottom, so it's clearly not the only factor, but if it's included as one of the weights, that would explain moving the SEC and B1G up, while moving the MAC down.

Last Edited: 8/28/2014 11:37:02 AM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 11:48:15 AM 
The Situation wrote:

My how far we've fallen since 2012.

The new WSJ intern must have a grudge against OHIO.

GoCats105 wrote:
Apparently smoking pot and DUIs (Missouri) and punching people (LSU) qualifies as admirable. Nobody in the SEC other than Vanderbilt should be in that grid. And even they last year had their share of off-the-field issues.


You are both onto something.  New intern was obviously rejected by the Scripps School and had to go with his fallback choice of Mizzou.
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   Posted: 8/28/2014 11:48:35 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Horse-punching?



 


You don't remember the "infamous" horse punch? 

I had forgotten about that!
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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 12:03:13 PM 
Yes, horse punching. It was back in early 2006, I think, and it really wasn't like this, as the horse was unfazed.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 1:29:28 PM 
the123kid wrote:
Notre Dame is the most interesting to me on here.  I would guess they would be near the top for admirable.  The cheating scandals there are a result of their much tougher academic requirements and strict enforcement.  

I'm sure the scandals hurt them in this case, but really should be looked at as a positive.  Most schools sweep this under the rug.

They were however responsible for the video intern dying a couple of years ago, and the rape cover up that resulted in a suicide....so if they factored those two in, it should be much lower..


LaVon, is that you?  You need to put the pipe down. 

Why would ND be near the top?  The Cheating scandal a "positive" - spoken like a true homer...I mean domer.

"They were however responsible for the video intern dying a couple of years ago, and the rape cover up that resulted in a suicide" - but you "guess they would be near the top." 
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 4:14:38 PM 
I'm so tired of arbitrary polls with NO  legitimate explanation of what criteria was used for the outcome. I mean come on: Most Beautiful Campus, Best Walking Campus, Most Haunted Campus, Best Halftime Show, Biggest Party School, Most Sober Campus, Best University Towns, Best Looking Coeds, Best Sports Logos, Best Helmet Design, and on and on and on. Most of these writers have never been to Athens or know anything about OHIO.

Go Bobcats!

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   Posted: 8/28/2014 5:14:30 PM 
Sony7,  I am so in agreement with you!  Yet, it seems we drool over this crap time and again, especially the party school one.  I, for one, have never been able to figure out how anyone could "legitimately" rate schools as 1 to .....whatever.  I've been to enough other schools to know that if we are at the top, we have plenty of company that never gets recognized.
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   Posted: 8/28/2014 5:31:50 PM 
I rate Akron a 1.

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   Posted: 8/28/2014 5:56:48 PM 
I would rate my BA posts right around the FIU mark on that grid.
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   Posted: 8/28/2014 6:14:22 PM 
In 2012 how are we considered more of a power than NIU? isn't that the year they went to a BCS bowl? There're so many holes in these charts it's laughable.
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   Posted: 8/28/2014 9:31:26 PM 
I think the new intern has sort of conflated the "admirable" and "powerhouse" dimensions.  They seem more correlated to me in the 2014 graph than the 2012 one -- as if being a powerhouse, in itself, makes a team "admirable."  Now, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but I conclude from this that the intern has confused his priorities and could use some soul-searching about what in life is really admirable.  Here is my plot:


            Intern
|--------------|---------------------------------------------------------|
Needs                                                                 Has it
to                                                                     all
turn                                                                  figured
life                                                                   out
around                                                                                     
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  Message Not Read  RE: WSJ 2014 Grid of Shame
   Posted: 8/28/2014 10:23:12 PM 
 The Wall Street Journal's sports section is a flimsy hodgepodge of pie graphs, factoids and Larry King.

Okay, no Larry King. But the other things.
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   Posted: 8/29/2014 12:34:12 PM 
catatonic wrote:
I think the new intern has sort of conflated the "admirable" and "powerhouse" dimensions.  They seem more correlated to me in the 2014 graph than the 2012 one -- as if being a powerhouse, in itself, makes a team "admirable."  Now, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but I conclude from this that the intern has confused his priorities and could use some soul-searching about what in life is really admirable.  Here is my plot:


            Intern
|--------------|---------------------------------------------------------|
Needs                                                                 Has it
to                                                                     all
turn                                                                  figured
life                                                                   out
around

Indeed, you have it. If you look at the 2014 chart, there are almost no teams in the upper left quadrant nor the lower right quadrant, particularly in the extreme portions. Clearly the intern that made this chart does correlate the two - if you are a powerhouse, that makes you admirable, barring something unusual (e.g. Penn State), and if you are not a powerhouse, how could you be admirable?

Edit- fixed to read "upper left and lower right"

Last Edited: 8/30/2014 9:42:58 AM by L.C.

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   Posted: 8/30/2014 8:02:00 AM 
L.C. wrote:
catatonic wrote:
I think the new intern has sort of conflated the "admirable" and "powerhouse" dimensions.  They seem more correlated to me in the 2014 graph than the 2012 one -- as if being a powerhouse, in itself, makes a team "admirable."  Now, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but I conclude from this that the intern has confused his priorities and could use some soul-searching about what in life is really admirable.  Here is my plot:


            Intern
|--------------|---------------------------------------------------------|
Needs                                                                 Has it
to                                                                     all
turn                                                                  figured
life                                                                   out
around

Indeed, you have it. If you look at the 2014 chart, there are almost no teams in the upper left quadrant nor the lower left quadrant, particularly in the extreme portions. Clearly the intern that made this chart does correlate the two - if you are a powerhouse, that makes you admirable, barring something unusual (e.g. Penn State), and if you are not a powerhouse, how could you be admirable?

Without access to the internal numbers I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that the metric that damned us was the "amount that student fees subsidize the athletic department"

 
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   Posted: 8/30/2014 9:44:57 AM 

That is possible, mf. Student fees are no doubt strongly inversely correlated to whether or not a school is a powerhouse and the level of giving.

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