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FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/2/2019 1:07:28 AM 
I just read a story in The Post in which standout freshman Ben Roderick was identified as "the highest-rated recruit in the Bobcats’ history."

Wow! You've gotta know the legacy, right? Isn't there a plaque somewhere in the Convo of Walter Luckett standing in the Convo court's center circle that graced the cover of Sports Illustrated?

No disrespect to Ben. But Walter was National High School Player of the Year in 1972.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/2/2019 8:29:52 AM 
FlashGary wrote:
I just read a story in The Post in which standout freshman Ben Roderick was identified as "the highest-rated recruit in the Bobcats’ history."

Wow! You've gotta know the legacy, right? Isn't there a plaque somewhere in the Convo of Walter Luckett standing in the Convo court's center circle that graced the cover of Sports Illustrated?

No disrespect to Ben. But Walter was National High School Player of the Year in 1972.



+1

Got to know your history. The Post doesn’t. It’s a shame.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/2/2019 8:37:29 AM 
They also might have discovered Mike Haley, if they had looked. He was on the Portsmouth High School state championship team, and heavily recruited by Big Ten schools, including Ohio State. He was part of OHIO’s “fab five” Elite Eight team — Haley, Hilt, Storey, Gill and Jackson. All from Southern Ohio, I might add.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/3/2019 5:56:34 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


+1

Got to know your history. The Post doesn’t. It’s a shame.


Unfortunate that a top rated Journalism school isn't able to do research prior to printing something like this.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/4/2019 12:42:46 AM 
I'll agree this was an annoying mistake, but most media outlets are guilty of similar sins from time to time. Overall, the Post's sports coverage has been markedly better the past few years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/4/2019 12:37:08 PM 
Are you kidding? I am not sure he is even the highest rated recruit of the 2019 class. Jeez. (And I am a big believer in Roderick)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/4/2019 1:18:04 PM 
I'm a former Postie, so I'm not really trying to go after the school paper or the writer. It just struck me as weird because I do believe that Sports Illustrated cover, as well as images of Walter Luckett playing in the Ohio uniform, are in the Convo's sport offices.

As someone who arrived the year before Walter got there and exited when he did following the 1975 season, I truly can say his presence on campus created an electricity and excitability about the program to where each home game was an event (once he became healthy from the knee surgery that greatly slowed down and hindered his effectiveness for much of his freshman year). Sadly, they fell a big-time center shy of possibly doing some damage on the national stage.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/4/2019 1:33:40 PM 
Did they even rate recruits back in Walter Luckett's day? I'm going to guess it's sort of like ESPN doing everything in the NFL based on the Super Bowl era. That being said I'm pretty sure Diante Flenorl was ranked higher.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/4/2019 10:59:19 PM 
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/5/2019 12:06:16 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.


I don't believe that we had anything remotely like what we have today. Since there was no internet back then rankings of players were more a "trade secret" among the coaching fraternity than it was something readily available to the average fan. That's my very general impression. Others on this board can certainly give more specific detail.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/5/2019 12:41:38 AM 
Before the internet sites, there were recruiting newsletters in print that people subscribed to. They would rank players in the nation and individual states. I used to read some of them. I'm wondering when those publications began?
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   Posted: 11/5/2019 1:19:24 AM 
OUVan wrote:
Did they even rate recruits back in Walter Luckett's day? I'm going to guess it's sort of like ESPN doing everything in the NFL based on the Super Bowl era. That being said I'm pretty sure Diante Flenorl was ranked higher.


They had their top 100 and things like that. As for Diante Flenorl being ranked higher than Walter Luckett, how could anyone be ranked higher than the NATIONAL High School Player of the Year? He was unquestionably the No. 1 rated recruit in the nation. Practically every team outside of UCLA recruited him.

Walter's numbers his senior season were obscene for anyone, much less for a 6-4 GUARD; 39.5 points, 16 rebounds and 13 assists. And he was averaging around 45 points per game prior to playing with the injured knee that eventually needed surgery following that season. He scored 2,691 points over a four-year high school career. Think about that.

If I recall correctly, he had more than 300 offers. I know Maryland and North Carolina were hot after him and that was during their heydays. Walter got one first place vote for the all-American team his last two seasons at Ohio. It came from North Carolina's legendary coach Dean Smith. I called and asked Dean why, considering he never saw Walter play live. He said he didn't have to. He saw him in high school and that was enough, that in his opinion, there couldn't be two better guards in the country.

Oh yeah, his high school jersey is in the National Basketball Association (NBA) Hall of Fame.

Pretty solid credentials, I'd say, right?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/5/2019 11:09:19 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Before the internet sites, there were recruiting newsletters in print that people subscribed to. They would rank players in the nation and individual states. I used to read some of them. I'm wondering when those publications began?


Yes, I was going to mention those recruiting newsletters, but I ended up erasing it from my post because I could only remember them third hand. I'm not sure I ever saw them. Even though I never placed a sports bet in my life (except small ones with friends), I did subscribe for a few years in the early 1970s to a betting newsletter called the "Gold Sheet." I believe it did some rankings of players, but it's focus was on upcoming games.

Speaking of game predictions, does anyone remember a syndicated radio show called, "Leonard's Losers"? I used to listen to it on a radio station in the Murray, Ky., area, when I taught at Murray State. I see that someone has now bought the brand and is starting it up again. Not quite as good as the original, but still an interesting and different approach:
https://www.theleonardslosers.com /


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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/5/2019 4:28:36 PM 
Cut the young reporter some slack. A professional reporter for the Columbus Dispatch, in an article today about Jeff Boals's first season as Ohio's coach, mentioned the top two scorers from last year's team are no longer on the team. And that Jason Carter is now at Colorado St. and Teyvion Kirk at X.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/5/2019 10:01:58 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
As for Diante Flenorl being ranked higher than Walter Luckett, how could anyone be ranked higher than the NATIONAL High School Player of the Year? He was unquestionably the No. 1 rated recruit in the nation. Practically every team outside of UCLA recruited him.



No, I was saying he was higher rated than Roderick. I had already said that I didn't think they had rankings in Luckett's day.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/6/2019 6:41:18 PM 
OUVan wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
As for Diante Flenorl being ranked higher than Walter Luckett, how could anyone be ranked higher than the NATIONAL High School Player of the Year? He was unquestionably the No. 1 rated recruit in the nation. Practically every team outside of UCLA recruited him.



No, I was saying he was higher rated than Roderick. I had already said that I didn't think they had rankings in Luckett's day.


Thanks for the clarification, OUVan. I should have known better, coming from you.

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Jeff McKinney wrote:
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.


I believe that the big preseason hoops publication back then was Street and Smith's, much better than the version you can buy today. As I recall, they'd have a high school all America team (1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd teams), then the "best of the rest." That was it for public consumption, as I recall.
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brucecuth wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.


I believe that the big preseason hoops publication back then was Street and Smith's, much better than the version you can buy today. As I recall, they'd have a high school all America team (1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd teams), then the "best of the rest." That was it for public consumption, as I recall.


+1

Good memory! You are helping to refresh my memory. I used to buy a copy of that publication every year, about August. I learned so much from it, like the name of school where my youngest daughter now teaches -- as Street & Smith listed it, Cal Poly (San Luis Obispo), not to be confused with their listing for that legendary football school -- Cal Poly (Pomona).


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   Posted: 11/7/2019 3:35:41 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
brucecuth wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.


I believe that the big preseason hoops publication back then was Street and Smith's, much better than the version you can buy today. As I recall, they'd have a high school all America team (1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd teams), then the "best of the rest." That was it for public consumption, as I recall.


+1

Good memory! You are helping to refresh my memory. I used to buy a copy of that publication every year, about August. I learned so much from it, like the name of school where my youngest daughter now teaches -- as Street & Smith listed it, Cal Poly (San Luis Obispo), not to be confused with their listing for that legendary football school -- Cal Poly (Pomona).


I believe it was founded and edited by a gifted Pittsburgh sportswriter named Jim O'Brien, who is still writing today. I always enjoyed reading his opening column. Pittsburgh also hosted one of the few high school all star games at that time, the Dapper Dan Classic. I am certain FlashGary remembers that!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/7/2019 5:24:35 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Overall, the Post's sports coverage has been markedly better the past few years.


Yeah and I think some of the writers/editors responsible for that just recently graduated.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/8/2019 12:30:42 AM 
I used to always buy that magazine.

At some point recruiting services sprang to life and you could subscribe to their newsletters. Some of them only covered certain states. I remember subscribing to one that covered Ohio. This was before the internet gained a stronghold.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Highest rated Bobcat recruit ever?
   Posted: 11/8/2019 1:23:46 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
brucecuth wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OCF, did they have recruiting rating services back in the early and mid 60s? That's a serious question...not being snarky.


I believe that the big preseason hoops publication back then was Street and Smith's, much better than the version you can buy today. As I recall, they'd have a high school all America team (1st, 2nd and maybe 3rd teams), then the "best of the rest." That was it for public consumption, as I recall.


+1

Good memory! You are helping to refresh my memory. I used to buy a copy of that publication every year, about August. I learned so much from it, like the name of school where my youngest daughter now teaches -- as Street & Smith listed it, Cal Poly (San Luis Obispo), not to be confused with their listing for that legendary football school -- Cal Poly (Pomona).


I believe it was founded and edited by a gifted Pittsburgh sportswriter named Jim O'Brien, who is still writing today. I always enjoyed reading his opening column. Pittsburgh also hosted one of the few high school all star games at that time, the Dapper Dan Classic. I am certain FlashGary remembers that!



Absolutely, BruceCuth. Walt Luckett played in it. I attending the Classic a few times. I remember seeing guys like Ralph Sampson, Sam Bowie, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy, to name a scant few...

Last Edited: 11/8/2019 1:25:04 AM by FlashGary

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