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We're two days from the start of "real" basketball with exhibitions starting, and there isn't any decision. I'm curious what the thoughts are on those who know about other, perhaps similar transfers, and what happened to them. One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team. Great little piece I looked up in my frustration last year from ESPN. Kinda says it all regarding "the Division I Legislative Council’s Subcommittee for Legislative Relief (no joke, that's what it's actually called)" http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id... Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 11:13:36 AM  OU_Country wrote: the Division I Legislative Council’s Subcommittee for Legislative Relief That name screams bureaucracy. This decision wait reminds me of the NFL's long wait on Josh Gordon. Ridiculous. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 11:19:24 AM  OU_Country wrote: One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team. Wells is the poster child for waiving the transfer rule though. He was kicked off the team under false pretenses. Not sure I would compare his dismissal with Kaminski's (although we still don't know the exact reason he was booted). Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 12:40:38 PM  OUVan wrote: OU_Country wrote: One that came to my mind is Dez Wells from X to Maryland a couple years ago, in a situation that doesn't seem terribly different from this one in that he was more or less dismissed from the team. Wells is the poster child for waiving the transfer rule though. He was kicked off the team under false pretenses. Not sure I would compare his dismissal with Kaminski's (although we still don't know the exact reason he was booted). I don't pretend to know the complete story in either case. I just know that the process is really quite absurd in terms of the time it has taken. Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 7:56:54 PM  what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary. MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top BOOM!!!! General User Member Since: 6/10/2007 Post Count: 208 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 9:23:08 PM  perimeterpost wrote: what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary. well He missed his first year at MSU because he was injured so couldn't he ask for a medical redshirt and get a 6th year? Im not sure if that's how it works or not but if he has to sit out this season i would hope they would do that for him Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/6/2014 9:27:35 PM  BOOM!!!! wrote: perimeterpost wrote: what's frustrating about this scenario is that KK doesn't have the option of taking a red shirt. He either plays this year or he loses a year of eligibility. IMO the NCAA needs to have a darn good reason to force a kid to lose a year when he's not been charged with any wrong doing. The burden of proof should be on the NCAA to justify why they would force a student athlete to lose a year when it not necessary. well He missed his first year at MSU because he was injured so couldn't he ask for a medical redshirt and get a 6th year? Im not sure if that's how it works or not but if he has to sit out this season i would hope they would do that for him I think there's a good chance that if he has to sit out this year, that he could get a medical redshirt because of his freshman year to get a sixth year of eligibility, but again, he'd have to go through another application process. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/21/2014 11:22:49 PM  OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/22/2014 11:32:02 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-) Maybe the NCAA has already decided that Kaminski will be eligible but does not want to make that decision final yet as that would make him eligible immediately. What I am saying is that, maybe, the NCAA views this as a situation where Kaminski should "serve" a 1/4 year or 1/2 year "suspension" but knows that if they announce he gets a waiver that would make him eligible immediately. So they are just "waiting" to keep him out until their arbitrary suspension is finished... Probably grasping at straws, but I never promised to be reasonable. I do believe what I am saying is somewhat rational in this twisted NCAA world we are living in. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/23/2014 12:49:56 AM  The Optimist wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: OK, I'm officially giving up any hope that K will play this year. That probably means the letter was mailed by the NCAA this morning. But, I'm going to stop hoping for a resolution since we are dealing with the NCAA, and they don't know what they are doing so to expect rationality is to be irrational. I no longer care to be irrational on this topic. ;-) Maybe the NCAA has already decided that Kaminski will be eligible but does not want to make that decision final yet as that would make him eligible immediately. What I am saying is that, maybe, the NCAA views this as a situation where Kaminski should "serve" a 1/4 year or 1/2 year "suspension" but knows that if they announce he gets a waiver that would make him eligible immediately. So they are just "waiting" to keep him out until their arbitrary suspension is finished... Probably grasping at straws, but I never promised to be reasonable. I do believe what I am saying is somewhat rational in this twisted NCAA world we are living in. I think you are being rational in this assessment of the irrationality of the NCAA, and therefore your conclusion might indeed be on target, but of course the concept of the a priori synthetic, which your conclusions are, has still never been proven possible in anything more than a theoretical context. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 11/29/2014 11:04:06 PM  Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus RS Bobcat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/1/2014 12:08:07 AM  RSBobcat wrote: Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus Direct from the horse's mouth -- first hand? If so, that clinches it. I don't understand why, though. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/1/2014 10:50:30 AM  This basketball year or this calendar year? 😇 I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 12:30:16 AM  This basketball year. He said he did not know where any real expectation that a waiver would be granted came from. I thought about saying he should check out BA more often! :) RS Bobcat Back to Top OUBobcat13 General User Member Since: 12/7/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 285 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 8:32:03 AM  RSBobcat wrote: Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus IF he can get a medical redshirt for his Freshman year, I think this could be a blessing in disguise. Seeing the system Saul runs and seeing the big men taking threes like they do, I'd rather see Kenny have an extra year at the end with his three point shooting ability and after three years under this system. That all depends on getting the redshirt. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 10:29:44 AM  Arkley was the first to mention a waiver from what I saw. I wonder what the chances are Kaminski could get a medical red shirt for that year. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 2:24:20 PM  OUBobcat13 wrote: RSBobcat wrote: Not gonna happen for this year per Schaus IF he can get a medical redshirt for his Freshman year, I think this could be a blessing in disguise. Seeing the system Saul runs and seeing the big men taking threes like they do, I'd rather see Kenny have an extra year at the end with his three point shooting ability and after three years under this system. That all depends on getting the redshirt. Agreed! This sets up the team to be very deep, and really good over 2015-2016 and the two seasons that follow. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 4:33:07 PM  Hey, a fact that indicates I am correct: Schaus (Top Athletic Administrator) apparently does not read BobcatAttack.com And here some of us thought this public forum was followed by everyone related to OHIO Athletics and Administration! Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 10:36:01 PM  Asked about that also - he said he would only have 2 yrs eligibility. RS Bobcat Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/2/2014 11:40:51 PM  We'll find out on April 9, 2015 that he can play during the 2014-15 season. the NCAA is a beauty. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top OUBobcat13 General User Member Since: 12/7/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 285 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/3/2014 12:36:16 AM  RSBobcat wrote: Asked about that also - he said he would only have 2 yrs eligibility. This would show that either the NCAA is truly inconsistent and off their rocker, or there is something to this story that we don't know. Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/3/2014 4:29:39 PM  Casper71 wrote: Hey, a fact that indicates I am correct: Schaus (Top Athletic Administrator) apparently does not read BobcatAttack.com And here some of us thought this public forum was followed by everyone related to OHIO Athletics and Administration! Lol. Find me the transcript where anyone said that. This site recorded it all. Have at it. No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay. Moreover, a single vague plea of ingorance on an issue is no where near sufficient evidence to substantiate your claim Casper that the cumulative effects of negative contributions on this message board are always negligible. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/3/2014 7:28:17 PM  The Situation wrote: No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay. Yeah - we should just ignore anything anyone says that Schaus said........ :/ RS Bobcat Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/4/2014 8:54:31 AM  Maybe the NCAA is as confused as ESPN when ti comes to which team he will be playing for... http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62... Back to Top The Situation General User Member Since: 7/12/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 957 Status: Offline     RE: Kenny Kaminski transfer    Posted: 12/4/2014 10:01:56 AM  RSBobcat wrote: The Situation wrote: No disrespect to RS, but as the "facts" pertain to your argument, you're working with hearsay. Yeah - we should just ignore anything anyone says that Schaus said........ :/ I believe what you said RS. I don't believe what you said supports the broader conclusion Casper was trying to make. That's why I said "no disrespect". 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