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Topic: RE: Trent Jr.

Topic: RE: Trent Jr.

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Hawaiian Bobcat
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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/19/2015 3:53:19 PM

We have 3 scholarships available for the 2017 class. I would like to see us make one attempt. Recruit a couple of his buddies that may not me p5 players. Trent Jr. is worth 2 scholarships in my opinion. So we offer the package deal and we play on Junior's heart strings offer him opportunities no one else can like:

The first father and son to win POY in the same conference.
First father and son to win Freshman of the Year.
If he decides to play multiple years, first father and son to score 2000 pts at the same school.
With Ohio's great online program your jersey can hang next to dad's in a few years after graduation.
We gave dad a chance now give us a chance.

Junior is a border line McD's All American right now and would give our program instant credibility. The worst thing that could happen is the kid says no. I know one thing for sure he 100% won't be a Bobcat if we don't offer.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/19/2015 9:09:46 PM

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/19/2015 10:03:29 PM

I was just looking at a facebook page called You might have gone to OU if.. or something like that, and Gary Trent keeps posting updates about his son's success. I mean really, how much more obvious does he need to be, having his son receive an offer from his Dad's alma mater would be a big deal to Sr, and sure Jr seems to have his pick of schools but there are plenty of reasons to come to Ohio, its absurd that we're at least not making an effort.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/21/2015 7:54:59 PM

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Keep being a negative nancy. The 100% way to make sure Jr. doesn't play for us is to make sure we don't offer. What's wrong with offering the son of the best to ever lace them up for the green and white? If that's crazy I'd like my straight jacket in an XL.

Why do people buy lottery tickets? A chance to hit a jackpot.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/21/2015 8:04:02 PM

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

I agree with HB. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. How many folks would have bet in the 1970s we'd have the SI cover-boy recruit? (OK, Jeff, will say that's ancient history not applicable to today, but Jeff's been known to be wrong once or twice before.) I will not, however, grant that Trent was the best to ever play for OHIO. He is certainly in the top five all-time. Sorry for my geezer perspective. ;-)

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/21/2015 8:11:53 PM

I know for a fact that GT loves the support he still gets from Bobcat Nation.

Last Edited: 6/21/2015 8:23:09 PM by Hawaiian Bobcat

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/22/2015 8:20:31 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

The young man has not grown up around Ohio University. I'm not sure why anyone could possibly think he'd be interested in us. Good grief, the kid can pretty much go anywhere he wants. Kids like that do NOT go to mid majors any more. Why offer a kid like this? It's futile and possibly could send the wrong message to other young men already on the roster or whom we are currently recruiting.

I don't see what we have to lose by offering a great player a scholarship. We sign him... Great. We don't sign him... We go get someone else. Life will go on. I agree that he can go pretty much anywhere he wants. Maybe there is a part of him that wants to wear the same jersey his father wore. Maybe there isn't. I do not see the harm in finding out.

I don't understand your point that it would send a negative message to players on our roster. We don't want them thinking that we are trying to continue to bring in talented players into the program?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/22/2015 3:16:43 PM

I have to agree with The Optimist here. It couldn't hurt to offer, and talk with Dad at the same time. Only good things would come of his coming to Athens if he chose to do so, and if he goes to Duke, well, great for him.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/22/2015 3:40:19 PM

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Woah, there, big fella! The only one being negative here is YOU! YOU are being negative toward our coaching staff! Obviously, you must feel Saul is a TERRIBLE recruiter for not offering GT2 a scholly. Obviously you must feel he's incompetent. Shame on you!

I happen to think otherwise. My guess is Saul has OF COURSE been in contact with GT and GT2 and has based his actions on his conversations with both.

I have faith in our coaching staff, and a belief that they know EXACTLY what they are doing in terms of recruiting. They don't need my advice. And based on your suggestion that they recruit "buddies" of GT2's THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN PLAY, they'd be wise to avoid yours. But if you're so certain I'm wrong, go ahead, send your advice to Saul. I'm sure he'd be grateful...

Oh and by the way, I bet you're just counting the hours until Joey Burrow announces he's leaving OSU for home and will transfer to Ohio...

Last Edited: 6/22/2015 3:41:38 PM by brucecuth

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/22/2015 3:47:08 PM

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Oh and by the way, I bet you're just counting the hours until Joey Burrow announces he's leaving OSU for home and will transfer to Ohio...

I'm glad you mention Joey Burrow. We offered... He didn't come... We still signed a QB for the class. Life goes on. Burrow didn't come to OHIO. We took a shot. Oh well. What did it cost us? NOTHING. Offering a scholarship that is ultimately filled by someone else isn't that expensive for our program. The only "cost" I can imagine is the time the coaches spend talking to a kid. Well worth it, IMO.

Would it have been awesome to see Burrow come to Ohio? Yes. Will I hold a grudge that he didn't come? No. I will root for him slightly more than I would root for any other kid not at OHIO because I know his family has ties to the school. Same goes for Gary Trent Junior. I hope he somehow ends up at OHIO. I really do. If he doesn't? Oh well. I'll still watch him with a keen eye knowing his family's history with this program.

What do we have to lose???

Last Edited: 6/22/2015 3:54:45 PM by The Optimist

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 12:00:49 AM

The Optimist wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Oh and by the way, I bet you're just counting the hours until Joey Burrow announces he's leaving OSU for home and will transfer to Ohio...

Again, why are you posting this here? Have you communicated you advice to Coach Phillips? Even though I believe he is WAY AHEAD OF YOU as far as GT2 is concerned, you should be communicating with him, not idiots like me on this board. As I said in my earlier post, I am certain he would welcome your keen insights!

Hawaiian Bobcat
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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 1:27:01 AM

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Great use of capital letters Bruce! You do realize this is a message board. Where fans (fanatics) share their opinions. You know what they say about opinions, and you my friend have a rather large one. Have you ever disagreed with any of our coaches about anything? You never have second guessed Beau up the middle or the basketball substitution patterns? You do assume a lot about me. You know what happens when you assume.

Just to let you know, I never posted anything about Joey Burrow basically because I don't care. Ohio offered, he didn't accept the offer end of story. Gary Trent Jr. is a different story, Ohio hasn't offered and Junior hasn't accepted any other offer so recruiting on him is still wide open. Mr. Burrow also isn't the son of the only 3 time MAC POY. So I accept your bet and you can donate in my name one football season ticket to the Boys and Girls club of Athens.

I don't know why you brought Coach Phillips into the conversation but since you did, I'll go ahead and address it. Coach Phillips is on record for taking a kid no one else wanted and turned him into the Summit player of the year. He's into developing talent perhaps one of Junior's high school or AAU teammates is that type of player. I expect the men's basketball coach to do his due diligence when recruiting a project. I know he has the best interests of the program at heart. In my heart as a fan (fanatic) I think it is a great idea to offer a scholarship to Gary Trent Jr. It is not beneath this program to take a chance on a potential diamond in the rough on potentially one of Junior's teammates. If that prospect also helps us land a top 20 recruit even better. Coach Phillips has brought in a lower level talent already into the program so it is not beneath him either.

Again I don't understand why you insist on myself or the Optimist to contact Coach Phillips via email. I have his cell number maybe we can have a conference call. I think Coach Phillips has way more on his plate to settle a silly message board argument. I'm sure with all of his off season dealings he'd love to hear from us.

As for Gary Trent Senior, I have had recently a long email thread about all sorts of topics. I had more than one opportunity to ask him if his son would consider Ohio. I didn't because it wasn't my place and my opinions belong on a message board. Just like your opinions belong here on bobcatattack. So shame on you for wanting me to waste Coach Phillips time when there are so many better things for him to be doing.

Aloha,

Chasing Windmills

OUBobcat13
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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 12:30:34 PM

Has anyone considered that Junior isn't the type or style of player Saul is looking for. Maybe he isn't the best fit in the motion offense Saul wants to run. Maybe he isn't a good fit for the defense. There could be many reasons he doesn't have an offer. Hell, maybe he DOES have an offer and it hasn't reached the public domain. I still think that chasing a kid JUST because daddy played for a school is probably not the best recruiting strategy.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 1:24:37 PM

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

well now, sounds like someone in Hawaii needs to get out and enjoy the sun a bit more instead of getting so riled up about someone using CAPS on a message board. TOO FUNNY. Didn't know you were the message board enforcement officer...show me your badge there, Cap'n! Kudos for attempting to change the subject.

I'm so very, VERY impressed that you have coach's cell phone number and exchange emails with GT. By all means, stick to name dropping. You are far better at it than offering solid advice/opinion/whatever on hoops recruiting.

We do agree on one thing: You are absolutely correct that it would be a waste of Coach's time for you to share with him your nonsense about recruiting Trent's "buddies." Nonsense that, based on what I read in your post, you are not attempting to defend. Smart.

Finally, no, I don't know what they say about opinions. Why don't you enlighten me? But believe you this: Whatever "large one" that I may posses or be, it takes one to know one, smart guy, it takes one to know one.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 1:54:26 PM

I'm more inclined to take a swing for the fences. If you miss it, who cares? The least he could do is tell Ohio "no thanks." Are the egos really that sensitive that a star recruit turning down Ohio might hurt some feelings?

Do I think GT2 would come here? Probably not. But you never know until you ask.

Oh and btw, I have never met Coach Phillips nor do I question his recruiting or coaching tactics. This is just my opinion. Which believe it or not, should probably be implied when posting on BA. I think the summer heat is getting to everyone.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 4:06:08 PM

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

I did address the "buddy" situation but this time I used the word teammate so people realize I wasn't talking about his chemistry lab partner. I was talking about an individual with division 1 ability that might be closer to SWAC level instead of MAC level. Anyways moving on.

You are very good at changing the subject as well. All you have done is flame me on all sorts of subjects and your only point is that we should trust Coach Phillips in all things recruiting. We differ opinions which is great and that's the intent. The mud slinging is childish especially when it adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. (Your Don Quixote comment). You never addressed the other selling points I made on an idea to offer. The only one that you chose was the idea that was a bit out of the box. I don't know if junior was with his dad on Gary Trent Day. Maybe he loved the Convo and the campus we don't know. He won't call us we have to call him is really the root of everything I have suggested.

I appreciate that you completely omitted a rebuttal on the Mr. Burrow. I'm not counting down anything. Again I accepted your bet and you can donate a football season ticket.

The whole point to my name dropping is that I'm fortunate enough to have access to some key players on this topic. I chose to voice my opinion here because I am smart enough not to bother those individuals. Yet you thought you were a big shot suggesting I do just that

This is a thread about recruiting Gary Trent Jr. I'm not in the minority on wanting Ohio to offer this young man. I'm finished with you because I get your point don't question anything about coach's recruiting methods. I get it. We can agree to disagree on that.

As for my opinion comment, if you can't figure it out, I'm sorry we share degrees from the same fine university.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 6:04:20 PM

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

Comparing one to Don Quixote is mudslinging? The Don Quixote of Man of LaMancha? The Don Quixote who sang "The Impossible Dream"? My goodness you are touchy (not to mention a vicious slinger of mud in your own right, and OH SO CLEVER, but I digress)! The song speaks to sticking to one's ideals and dreams even if the cause may turn out to be hopeless.

"Impossible Dream"

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
And to run where
the brave dare not go
To right the unrightable wrong
And to love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march,
march into hell
For that heavenly cause
And I know
If I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart
Will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be
better for this
That one man, scorned
and covered with scars,
Still strove with his last
ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable,
the unreachable,
The unreachable star
And I'll always dream
The impossible dream
Yes, and I'll reach
The unreachable star

Now, how could you take that as mudslinging? Nothing wrong with that, in terms of recruiting GT2 or most else in life. Nope, the only thing wrong with being compared to the Don Quixote of Man of LaMancha is your hysterical over reaction throughout this entire thread.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 6:10:05 PM

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

hawaiian bobcat wrote:

brucecuth wrote:

keep tilting at windmills, Don Quixote...

(rolling eyes) and laughing

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/23/2015 8:54:30 PM

gee...i thought you were through with me LOL. Glad your laughing. With me or at me, it don't really matter!

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/24/2015 8:38:20 AM

I love the passion HB, and I know you'll keep bringing it no matter who on here tries to knock you down a peg. HB was a huge FANatic as a student, and it is great to see that even though he's a 14 hour flight away from Athens he is spreading the good gospel of Bobcat athletics.

Keep that fiery spirit and desire for our programs to be the best just like when we were sitting in the stands as students.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/24/2015 10:15:07 AM

Great summer entertainment on this thread! I'd like to slap your wrists for flaming, but this is so funny I'm like the mullah looking the other way and giggling.

I wouldn't have a problem w offering Trent Jr., but I completely trust the coaching staffs decisions on how to handle this.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/26/2015 9:24:17 AM

Completely agree with Optimist and am surprised by McKinney's defeatist attitude. We should absolutely offer without question, and he will almost certainly politely decline.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/26/2015 7:02:50 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Completely agree with Optimist and am surprised by McKinney's defeatist attitude. We should absolutely offer without question, and he will almost certainly politely decline.

I guess its because I'm so focused on how they recruit at the NCAA Division II, III, and NAIA levels.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/26/2015 8:26:58 PM

GT Jr is in SI's Faces in the Crowd section; he was MVP of the FIBA U16 tourney which the US won.
Mentioned pops was a former NBA player but not a Bobcat.

"All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano.

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RE: Trent Jr.

Posted: 6/26/2015 11:47:22 PM

"Offer" involves more than just a phone call, email, Facebook or Twitter "Post" or "Tweet". I am confident SP and Staff pretty good at managing their time, budget, energy, to best effect/use etc., when it comes to "recruiting" (as "committed" recruits shows pretty well). Debating this is a waste of BA thread topic space.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasize

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/futility

Last Edited: 6/26/2015 11:49:49 PM by RSBobcat

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