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SVAC83
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 11:43:54 AM 
And i was wrong i thought TRUMP would concede. But to be honest with you, as disgraceful as what happened was on Wednesday we will move past it. And people need to realize that what happened on Wednesday was pro trump that was building for 4 years of people calling trump not the real president for 4 years. But to be honest with you i didn't visit this page for a month or more and probably wont again after a few days. I have a life that has little to do with what happens on these forums and has little to do with who is president and who is in charge of congress. Yes i would prefer some things to be different and a change in some policies and over the next 2 years those policies will move to the left.


I still believe that in a few months we will speak very little of trump. These radical racists that you try to treat us all as will begin to move back into the hole they climbed out of before trump. But they will still be there.

And i have no trouble with people who think the senators who backed the election fraud should be handled in a certain way should be treated a certain way do it. Just when we have democrats act the same sort of way in the future treat them the same.

I am just not as radical as you seem to think conservatives are and obvious not as radical as you guys are. if you read back through the pages on here i was called several names for saying what i believe and was told how i should act and how i should feel. You did not hear any of that back from me.

If you don't understand your own hate and the way you talk about the other side with such disdain is as much of the problem as the other side having a opinion. Then there is no reason for talk or discord on the subject.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 1:17:38 PM 
There's a big difference between the riots of last summer and the treason that occurred last Wednesday. Last summer was spurred by a series of murders of people who were killed largely -- and even solely -- because of the color of their skin. The demonstrations, which were mostly peaceful across the country, and the riots that followed were the culmination of about 400 years of treating Black people as less than human. No one condoned the riots. But they were understandable. People get fed up with total strangers using racial slurs, detaining them on the street, accusing them of crimes and pointing guns at them, simply because of the color of their skin. We've had civil rights laws in this country for more than 50 years but Black people still face discrimination by police and other elected officials.

The treason of last Wednesday was the result of four years of constant lying by the current occupant of the White House and his enablers. Repeatedly during the past four years Trump has said that the ONLY way he could lose an election is if it were rigged. He is such a narcissistic egomaniac that he might actually believe it. So he perpetrated the lie that he lost only because of vote fraud. But people like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and Lindsey Graham didn't believe it but still echoed the lie, despite the fact that no credible evidence had been presented to show widespread fraud. Graham said as much on the floor of the Senate The Wednesday night. The senators and representatives who spread the lie did so merely to make political capital -- they were courting Trump supporters. They knew it was a lie but were afraid of incurring Trump's ire -- and the loss of votes in the next election -- if they didn't go along with it. They should be kicked out of Congress, or at least censured.

The fact is, both Trump and some of those who broke into the Capitol were just using each other. Trump plays to the fears of many people for his own gain. He doesn't really care about them -- before he ran for office he would call such people losers and suckers. And he got them to do his dirty work, just as he always has with people like Michael Cohen and Rudy Giuliani. On Wednesday he told them he would march with them to the Capitol, but didn't. He instead sat in the White House gleefully watching his supporters commit federal crimes and put themselves in harm's way. On the other hand, subversive groups like the so-called Proud Boys used Trump as a means to further their racist and hate-filled messages. Thanks to Trump, they were able to have thousands more marching with them than they could on their own.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 1:29:01 PM 
SVAC83 wrote:
I said i would revisit this thread come January and it is January. Look what the people did on Wednesday was wrong and all of those people should be prosecuted. To me what you guys don't see is your own impact on this and that you guys seem to believe every thing that you read and believe that every person that voted for trump is a racist and all other kinds of bad names.



On Wednesday, a small but vocal portion of Trump voters violently broke into a government building in order to stop the in-process certification of a democratic election. They did so while waiving American flags, chanting U-S-A, and insisting their candidate won without even a tiny bit of evidence having held up in court.

I called that fascist. Facsism is typically characterized by far-right, ultra-nationalistic, authoritarianism. I think the descriptor fits, even before one considers all of the actual nazis and racists who openly made their views known on January 6th.

SVAC83 wrote:

Needless to say most people i know are conservative. As i look over their Facebook pages and twitter accounts 95% of them disagree with what happened Wednesday and it is a embarrassment to all of us. So a poll that says 43% agree with this i think is wrong and is continuing to drive wedge between people.


Here's the poll that was referenced: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports...

What specifically do you think's wrong about the methodology, and why does your representation of Twitter accounts seem more accurate? What you're describing is a bubble, right? The YouGov poll almost certainly sampled a larger segment of people, no?

I would think maybe the events of January 6th might give cause to realize that your own reasonableness may have shielded you from a very real segment of the party?

SVAC83 wrote:

Just like i don't believe all democrats are socialist people need to quit treating all conservatives as racists and all the other names you throw out at them.


Can you point out where anybody here said 'all republicans are racist?' This feels like a deflection. I think Americans should be very constantly working to stop playing the victim card constantly. It's contributed heavily to where we are.


SVAC83 wrote:

What happened at the capital was wrong. But estimates of the crowd where trumped talked was about 500K. Most people say maybe 25K to 50K of them marched toward the capital. less actually climbed the steps and surrounded the capital. So talking about everyone that went to DC that day under the same umbrella is crazy.


I agree with this. The problem with this though is that Repuiblicans overwhelmingly supported Trump, who supported and incited the insurrection. On a personal level, I buy the 'not all Republicans' argument. But at a party level, the exact problem is, in fact, that this was led by the party's leader.

So not all republicans agree, but the party did this. Full stop.

SVAC83 wrote:

I have no problem with impeaching trump. I think it is a waste of time but i have no problem with it. And if it makes America feel better to do it then do it.


There's nothing about impeaching a President for attempting to anti-democratically overturn an election that's 'a waste of time.' The precedent must be set that no American politician can do this without consequence. He must be tried, prosecuted, and barred from holding office again.

Oh, and by the way, the week prior audio was released of him asking Georgia's top election to conjure up votes for him.

Crimes on top of crimes.

SVAC83 wrote:

Where was the outrage a few months ago. when i group of protesters marched on the supreme court and tried to break in. the only real difference is they didn't get in. if they had the results would of probably not been much different. there was property damage and things broken. Why no outrage?


Can you share a link about this? There are a lot of protests, before responding, just want to make sure we're discussing the same one.

SVAC83 wrote:

So when riots in Washington state and other places were aloud to go on for weeks. police officers hurt and killed no outrage some police forces even told to stand down. This violence was not outraged by you? or i did not read it..

Your problem here is because it was from the other side.


There was plenty of outrage about the violence and very little support for it. You'd have to be willfully obtuse to believe otherwise.

And again, a key component you're missing is that the protests you refer to were not incited and encouraged by the sitting President of the United States.

It's not merely a problem because it "was from the other side.' It's a completely different beast because it was state sanctioned violence there very point of which was to overturn a democratic result.

That's not the same thing as a black lives matter protest in Seattle, dude. Not even a little bit.


SVAC83 wrote:

Nancy pelosi has twice objected to the counting of certain electoral votes. No one wanted to oust her or call her names. The truth is what happened in congress that day is no different then what happened several times in the past the difference was there were more people and that tensions were heightened .


When this happened in the past, did politicians give a speech to a mob they'd been blatantly lying to for two months and tell them to march on the Capital to fight back?

Or are you trying to conflate what happened January 6th with procedural politics?

SVAC83 wrote:

I really think one of the big problems here is the way court throughout all the trump court cases around the elections. I understand a lot of these cases were baseless. But some of them were not. They would of not overturned any state but like in Nevada even the democrats say there were probably 3000 non residents that voted.


Yes, the problem is that the courts didn't pay enough attention to the Republican's attempt to overturn a democratic election.

SVAC83 wrote:

So why instead of just throwing it out could it not of been heard. And we would of shined light on the problems but still of shown the Biden's election was legitimate. I think if this approach would of been taken more and more people would of moved away from the president.


The court's job is not to placate delusional mobs.

SVAC83 wrote:

Look their are radical racists that support trump their is no doubt that these people exist. and they are deplorable. And these people need to be called out no doubt. But this is a very small percentage of the 75 million that voted for trump.


I agree. But from a policy standpoint, it's not a coincidence that in Trump they see a politician that finally represents them, and thus they're extremely avid in their support for him.

I think it's very valid to ask why deplorable racists are such avid supporters of Trump.

SVAC83 wrote:

Just like their are democrats that believe that it is all right to execute cops in the streets and that looting and rioting and violence is ok. And these people need to be called out.


They are called out. And that wing of the left has literally no sway politically. They're fringe and treated like the idiots they are.

This insurrection was led by Donald Trump, the person you voted for twice to lead your party and this country. Surely you understand how that's different than pointing out that there are insane people who think it's okay to kill cops?



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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 1:34:36 PM 
SVAC83 wrote:
And i was wrong i thought TRUMP would concede. But to be honest with you, as disgraceful as what happened was on Wednesday we will move past it. And people need to realize that what happened on Wednesday was pro trump that was building for 4 years of people calling trump not the real president for 4 years.


What about the 8 years before that where Republicans insisted Obama was a secret muslim socialist who had been born in Kenya and wasn't eligible to be President?

By the way, who was the most vocal proponent of birtherism? What ever happened to that guy?

Also: it's a very weird, the week that Trump spearheaded a violent insurrection to overturn a Presidential election, to suggest that this all could have been avoided had Democrats tried giving the poor guy a chance.

Have you considered that you might have just been wrong about Trump and that this week illustrates that many of the left's accusations and concerns about Trump may actually have been founded?

SVAC83 wrote:

But to be honest with you i didn't visit this page for a month or more and probably wont again after a few days. I have a life that has little to do with what happens on these forums and has little to do with who is president and who is in charge of congress. Yes i would prefer some things to be different and a change in some policies and over the next 2 years those policies will move to the left.


I still believe that in a few months we will speak very little of trump. These radical racists that you try to treat us all as will begin to move back into the hole they climbed out of before trump. But they will still be there.

And i have no trouble with people who think the senators who backed the election fraud should be handled in a certain way should be treated a certain way do it. Just when we have democrats act the same sort of way in the future treat them the same.


Agreed, for the most part.

SVAC83 wrote:

I am just not as radical as you seem to think conservatives are and obvious not as radical as you guys are. if you read back through the pages on here i was called several names for saying what i believe and was told how i should act and how i should feel. You did not hear any of that back from me.


When you support a President who tries to turn America into a authoritarian state that no longer recognizes democratic elections, you're gonna have to deal with a bit of blow back from time to time, my dude.

My best advice would be to support better politicians. There's a whole bunch of them available. There were like 10 better Republican options you all missed.


SVAC83 wrote:

If you don't understand your own hate and the way you talk about the other side with such disdain is as much of the problem as the other side having a opinion. Then there is no reason for talk or discord on the subject.


American discourse has become one of perpetual victimhood. This is one of the core reasons we're doomed.



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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 4:14:57 PM 
Wednesday's attempted coup was predictable. It dates back...
To the Bundy Boys and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating them.
To the idiots that played fort in Oregon and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating them.
To Charlottesville and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating them.
To the attempted takeover of the Michigan state house and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating them.
To Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating him.
To the endless lying about election fraud, corruption, "Stop the Steal" bullshit that Trump and his bootlickers have proposed and most conservatives looking the other way and far right media celebrating them.
To now, the attempted coup on Wednesday and the absurd, insulting perspective that it was not really the right, but those pesky Antifa folks dressed up like Trump supporters that really are to blame. STFU

And all the while the Coward in Chief - "I'll be right there with you" - "Stand back and stand by" - "there were good people on both sides" - was the lead cheerleader - all the while only caring about the benefit to him - not the destruction to our country.

And now...at the last minute, conservatives feign astonishment and "I'm aghast" "he should be held accountable" like some light has suddenly been shined on the world.

He promised carnage at his inauguration. Certainly one promise he kept - unlike the "winning" - except as it applies to himself. I can think of no one that has embarrassed and harmed our country more than Trump. Good riddance.

P.S. and this doesn't even address the horrific, divisive way Trump managed the virus, mask wearing, stay at home efforts, etc. And yes, his mismanagement has led to hundreds of thousands of American dying.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 6:23:38 PM 
Has anyone on this topic ever seen the Rick Steves' special: The Rise of Fascism in Europe?

It first aired on PBS 2 years ago. This year it has been shown at least 3 times.

Steves' special begins with the rise in Mussolini in the 1920s. It is eerie to watch and listen to Mussolini - and the reaction of his followers - and NOT see a reincarnation in Trump and his followers. Of course, Mussolini - as later did Hitler and Franco - led his country to ruination. Some posit that Italy never has fully recovered.

To me it is no surprise that Trump has autocratic tendencies. I tend to think they result from The Trump Organization being privately held instead of publicly traded. That meant no requirement for an externally dominated board, no need to heed the will of shareholders and no heed to file quarterly reports - aka 10-Qs - to the SEC. In other words, Trump could and did run The Trump Organization like a dictator.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 8:00:08 PM 
SVAC83 wrote:
And i was wrong i thought TRUMP would concede. But to be honest with you, as disgraceful as what happened was on Wednesday we will move past it. And people need to realize that what happened on Wednesday was pro trump that was building for 4 years of people calling trump not the real president for 4 years. But to be honest with you i didn't visit this page for a month or more and probably wont again after a few days. I have a life that has little to do with what happens on these forums and has little to do with who is president and who is in charge of congress. Yes i would prefer some things to be different and a change in some policies and over the next 2 years those policies will move to the left.


I still believe that in a few months we will speak very little of trump. These radical racists that you try to treat us all as will begin to move back into the hole they climbed out of before trump. But they will still be there.

And i have no trouble with people who think the senators who backed the election fraud should be handled in a certain way should be treated a certain way do it. Just when we have democrats act the same sort of way in the future treat them the same.

I am just not as radical as you seem to think conservatives are and obvious not as radical as you guys are. if you read back through the pages on here i was called several names for saying what i believe and was told how i should act and how i should feel. You did not hear any of that back from me.

If you don't understand your own hate and the way you talk about the other side with such disdain is as much of the problem as the other side having a opinion. Then there is no reason for talk or discord on the subject.




You are a clown! On one hand passively admitting that you were wrong and Trump was wrong but then trying to gaslightvthis into this being everyone else’s fault and these events were only a reaction to everyone else.

Problem, your Hero has NOT denounced these folks, the law and order president is YET to address the Capitol officer who died at the hands of folks invited and encouraged by Trump (not a single word), then refuses to lower the flag in DC for a federal officer. All the while evidence mounts that officers from around the nation are believed to have participated in this.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/11/2021 10:05:22 AM 
You guys are crazy. You put words in peoples mouths and you jump to conclusions about me that is not true. People asked several times that they would like to hear someone else's opinion and where is the other side.

No where did i ever intend to blame anyone else besides the radical rednecks and president TRUMP for what happened Wednesday. But when you bully a kid enough times and nothing is done about it. When the kid that was bullied brings a gun to school and shoots someone. It is the kids fault he brought the gun to school and shot someone. But when you look back at it though do not the kids that bullied him and the people that aloud the bullying to happen share any of the responsibility?


I didn't vote for trump twice, i voted libertarian the first time. And the second time i voted for ideas not the man. I have called the man despicable many times.
I have worked for many bad bosses in my life. just because they may have broken the law or did something stupid. i did not follow them.

I would not call most of the people that stormed the capital republicans. I don't consider myself a republican i consider myself really a libertarian or conservative. i find myself voting for more republicans then democrat because they more closing align with things that i think are correct.

As far as validity of elections go. When trump won 4 years ago people marched in the streets for weeks and called him illegitimate. and they fought him from day one. I am not trying to compare that until what happened this election cycle. I am just saying that if someone is calling someone you support illegitimate from day 1. And if i recall after that election Hillary Clinton conceded that night or the next day. But there were still several legal challenges brought in front of courts on her behalf and she said in many interviews afterward that she never should of NEVER conceded.

SO it only makes sense that their were plenty of seeds planted in peoples heads that people did not think elections were fair and right in this country. I agree TRUMP did everything to make this worse.

I believe that our elections are fair. is their voter fraud in every one of them yes. are their people disenfranchised in every election yes. Does it change the outcome of the election or most elections no.

Did Biden win absolutely, Was TRUMP wrong for not excepting and conceding yes. He should of conceded withing a week of the election. when it takes 3 to 5 days after a election to count all the votes i don't see why taking a week to concede is ridiculous.

Listen what happened Wednesday was wrong. Trump and those people should be dealt with. I think every good American believes it. Because that was a attack on our liberty and way of life. I totally get that.


I am not comparing what happened Wednesday to the things i am putting below but what i am stating is that things are not a lot different.

Nancy Pelosi stated that people should rise up and fight against things that happened at the border wall and when their was violence she said it was a few people and justified.

Our vice president elect told people they should get members of the cabinets face and hold them accountable for what their actions and basically said it was all right if people attacked these people it would be justified.

I have saw reverend AL Sharpton on CNN, and MSNBC this week. Condemning the riots on the capital and talking about the unarmed killing of the black man in Columbus and said their should be more blood shed in the streets of Columbus and that basically police officers should be on alert.

I am not comparing the two things but i don't think it is a big jump to get from one place to another.

My only point on any other riot or protest getting out of hand and what happened Wednesday would be. In Minnesota, Georgia, Washington and Oregon. Most of those protesters were peaceful most wanted to see no violence or property destruction they are good Americans. But there were a few radicals there that was not there to support the protest. they showed up to cause trouble and to destroy property and to hurt people.

The same is true of what happened Wednesday there was over 500K people at the trump rally. the mass majority of them did not even march toward the capital. And the mass majority of them that marched toward the capital were peaceful protesters. But there was a group that i am sure that was in the 100's and maybe in the 1000's that went there to cause problems to cause damage. They may have been there to overthrow the government i have no idea what they were thinking. I am not crazed lunatic i don't know how they think.







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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/11/2021 10:47:28 AM 
SVAC83 wrote:
You guys are crazy. You put words in peoples mouths and you jump to conclusions about me that is not true. People asked several times that they would like to hear someone else's opinion and where is the other side.


Respectfully, I've asked you direct questions without putting any words in your mouth. Responding broadly with "You guys are crazy" is, you know, not a great way to not 'jump to conclusions.'

SVAC83 wrote:

No where did i ever intend to blame anyone else besides the radical rednecks and president TRUMP for what happened Wednesday. But when you bully a kid enough times and nothing is done about it. When the kid that was bullied brings a gun to school and shoots someone. It is the kids fault he brought the gun to school and shot someone. But when you look back at it though do not the kids that bullied him and the people that aloud the bullying to happen share any of the responsibility?


Can you explain how the folks at the capital have been bullied?

SVAC83 wrote:

I didn't vote for trump twice, i voted libertarian the first time. And the second time i voted for ideas not the man. I have called the man despicable many times.


Here's a quote from you a few weeks back:

SVAC83 wrote:

But let me say this i do not consider myself a TRUMP supporter. I did vote for him twice but i voted for him even though i thought personally he was despicable man.


SVAC83 wrote:

I would not call most of the people that stormed the capital republicans. I don't consider myself a republican i consider myself really a libertarian or conservative. i find myself voting for more republicans then democrat because they more closing align with things that i think are correct.


They consider themselves Republicans and vote for Republicans. I get the desire to disown them, but on what grounds does it make sense?

SVAC83 wrote:

And if i recall after that election Hillary Clinton conceded that night or the next day. But there were still several legal challenges brought in front of courts on her behalf and she said in many interviews afterward that she never should of NEVER conceded.


Can you share a link?

SVAC83 wrote:

SO it only makes sense that their were plenty of seeds planted in peoples heads that people did not think elections were fair and right in this country. I agree TRUMP did everything to make this worse.


Republicans have been stating that there's been widespread election fraud for years. The idea that it was protests on the left that planted this seed doesn't hold a ton of water.

SVAC83 wrote:

Listen what happened Wednesday was wrong. Trump and those people should be dealt with. I think every good American believes it. Because that was a attack on our liberty and way of life. I totally get that.

I am not comparing what happened Wednesday to the things i am putting below but what i am stating is that things are not a lot different.


Yes, they are.

SVAC83 wrote:

Nancy Pelosi stated that people should rise up and fight against things that happened at the border wall and when their was violence she said it was a few people and justified.


It's simply not true Nancy Pelosi called violence justified. Can you provide a link?

SVAC83 wrote:

Our vice president elect told people they should get members of the cabinets face and hold them accountable for what their actions and basically said it was all right if people attacked these people it would be justified.


Please provide a link, as well.

SVAC83 wrote:

I have saw reverend AL Sharpton on CNN, and MSNBC this week. Condemning the riots on the capital and talking about the unarmed killing of the black man in Columbus and said their should be more blood shed in the streets of Columbus and that basically police officers should be on alert.


Al Sharpton's a wackjob who is on the fringes of the Democratic party. He's tried and failed to become a relevant national politician, but has never been a significant national voice in the Democratic Party. That you're comparing him to the President and leader of the party speaks volumes.







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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/11/2021 4:12:03 PM 
it appears conservative sites are increasing the size of the rally crowd on a daily basis. reputable sources put the number at 100,000 to 200,000. so the percent that headed to the capital is fairly significant and not just a fraction or fringe as many want to present.
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   Posted: 1/11/2021 6:14:04 PM 
I heard Sean Spicer put the rally crowd at around 1.5 million.
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   Posted: 1/11/2021 6:15:08 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
I heard Sean Spicer put the rally crowd at around 1.5 million.


If only the constant lies of the Trump administration had stayed as irrelevant and petty as they were on day one. Almost makes me wistful for the good ol' days.
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   Posted: 1/11/2021 7:59:04 PM 
I couldn't help but think about the old phrase "Wag the Dog" when seeing how this country's miserably successful vaccination plan has been regulated to the back pages the past few days.

Is this a byproduct of the Capitol riot? Or was Trump thinking an attack on our democracy might spare him from his critics on his handling of the pandemic?

Probably giving Trump too much credit here.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/11/2021 10:46:06 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
I couldn't help but think about the old phrase "Wag the Dog" when seeing how this country's miserably successful vaccination plan has been regulated to the back pages the past few days.

Is this a byproduct of the Capitol riot? Or was Trump thinking an attack on our democracy might spare him from his critics on his handling of the pandemic?

Probably giving Trump too much credit here.


Well, during the campaign he did say that people were tired of hearing about covid. "Covid, covid, covid. That's all they talk about." Now they can talk about 25th Amendment, impeachment, censure of House and Senate members who echoed his lies, felony murder charges for his fellow traitors,....


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 12:44:57 AM 
Someone asked for a URL about lefties trying to knock down the doors of the Supreme Court over anger about Kavanaugh. Well here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCxcsrOuwQ

Like SVAC86 said, I'm out of here. Just preforming a public service. No intention of getting drawn into this little love fest.
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cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 9:22:38 AM 
Well according to Trump it was Antifa that stormed the capital (as he now joins the bootlickers that have said the same). So in “fact” it was the left after all.

“Look daddy. Teacher says every time a MAGA says something stupid an angel gets its wings.”

“Atta boy Clarence. Atta boy.”

Last Edited: 1/12/2021 9:23:53 AM by cc-cat

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 12:14:41 PM 
gedunkman wrote:
Someone asked for a URL about lefties trying to knock down the doors of the Supreme Court over anger about Kavanaugh. Well here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCxcsrOuwQ

Like SVAC86 said, I'm out of here. Just preforming a public service. No intention of getting drawn into this little love fest.


Thanks for providing this.

This is over-the-top and weird behavior, no question.

But a couple of women banging on that door is not even remotely similar to the mob that beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher. Comparing the two is honestly pretty silly.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 12:54:24 PM 
gedunkman wrote:
Someone asked for a URL about lefties trying to knock down the doors of the Supreme Court over anger about Kavanaugh. Well here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCxcsrOuwQ

Like SVAC86 said, I'm out of here. Just preforming a public service. No intention of getting drawn into this little love fest.


LOL.....There are like 8 people here involved, you really want to make a comparison here?
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 2:15:21 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
gedunkman wrote:
Someone asked for a URL about lefties trying to knock down the doors of the Supreme Court over anger about Kavanaugh. Well here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCxcsrOuwQ

Like SVAC86 said, I'm out of here. Just preforming a public service. No intention of getting drawn into this little love fest.


LOL.....There are like 8 people here involved, you really want to make a comparison here?


Ah give gedunkman and SVAC86 a little slack. They could have said the traitors weren't as bad as Spongebob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBAksvCXENs

Last Edited: 1/12/2021 2:16:04 PM by cc-cat

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 2:34:46 PM 
Republican pollster and focus group guru Frank Luntz shared some really crazy polling info. This one being the scariest:

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1348741202355474432...

64% of Trump supporters agree that the American way of life is disappearing so quickly that they may have to use force to protect it.

Here's a list of Rightwing Terrorism in the US since 2001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Post-2001

Add the capital protest to that list. And remember that unexploded pipe bombs were found, and it could have been much worse. Remember that Trump supporter who mailed pipe bombs to politicians: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/nyregion/cesar-sayoc-s... .

Meanwhile, our resident conservative posters are pointing out how protesters on the left banged really hard on a door.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 2:47:47 PM 
By the way, love how the new Conservative talking point is that impeachment would further divide the country.

How about this: if you're super into the idea of uniting the country, go ahead and ask the leader of your party to acknowledge that he's been lying to his supporters for two months about losing the election, and have him apologize. Why is it up to the left to fix what you all did?
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/12/2021 3:34:02 PM 
To be fair, this video is more accurate of the protest at the Supreme Court in 2018, if this is what SVAC83 meant when they said "a few months ago":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg

However:

SVAC83 wrote:


Where was the outrage a few months ago. when i group of protesters marched on the supreme court and tried to break in. the only real difference is they didn't get in. if they had the results would of probably not been much different. there was property damage and things broken. Why no outrage?



Watch the video above. I'm sure everyone has seen the events at the Capitol last week. Can you honestly say the "only real difference is they didn't get in?" Be honest, it's important to be honest if we're going to be able to understand one another. Can you see additional real differences besides getting in?
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/13/2021 11:42:31 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
By the way, love how the new Conservative talking point is that impeachment would further divide the country.

How about this: if you're super into the idea of uniting the country, go ahead and ask the leader of your party to acknowledge that he's been lying to his supporters for two months about losing the election, and have him apologize. Why is it up to the left to fix what you all did?


The new conservative talking points on this subject are classic symptoms of how abusers mentally abuse their victims and keep them in the abusive relationships.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/13/2021 11:53:12 AM 
This guy was at the protest and then left to go back to his truck to retrieve 11 molotov cocktails and an assault rifle. When police arrived, he asked them "did you locate the bombs?"

https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/08/falkville-man-arres... /

I'm having trouble distinguishing him from a woman banging on the door of the Supreme Court. Those things are the same, right?

Last Edited: 1/13/2021 11:59:21 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/14/2021 11:03:12 AM 
I realized earlier this week - and I never in a million years would have thought this to be possible - that I have more respect for football coach Bill Belichick than I do for football coach Lou Holtz.

And I loved what Notre Dame football was under Holtz, including its last national title.
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