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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 1/6/2021 7:19:14 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


And interesting as to where the apologist have went.


They're waiting for the right wing propaganda network to tell them what to think and feel about this.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/6/2021 9:30:32 PM 
I agree in part with your post. If he is not impeached by the end of the day tomorrow, something is seriously wrong in America. As far as I'm concerned, anyone that votes against impeachment is not fit to hold public office. If inciting riots and insurrection is not "high crimes and misdemeanors", nothing is. If he is not convicted just as swiftly in the Senate, and immediately removed from office, something is equally wrong. Again, it should be unanimous.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
... People who supported him will be studied by baffled historians for hundreds of years.

I hope the country recovers. Time to impeach.

I'm back to disagreeing again. Trump is not particularly unique or interesting. Sure, he's extremely evil, but so are a lot of people. He's not that much different from the likes of Bashar al-Assad, Putin, or Kim Jong-un, or a host of other evil Dictators in history. His popularity is not surprising, either, nor is anything particularly unique about his followers. They simply are a class of people who don't feel they are being treated fairly by the "system".

The US is approaching it's end, and he's a symptom, not a cause. Free speech is dead, supported by neither the left, nor the right. Propaganda is everywhere. That creates nothing but division and hatred. The result has been hatred, division, and violence. Sooner or later the US will succumb to this division, and be followed by a dictatorship. That's always been a given. The question we can't answer is, will it be someone like Trump, or will it be a Socialist? While I don't know the answer, I know that the current division in the country makes that future look imminent.

Yes, Trump needs to be removed from office ASAP. But, he doesn't need to be studied personally so much as the culture in the US needs to be studied. If the US wants to survive as a country, we need to find ways to unite, and find things that bring us back together. Trump should be prosecuted, but not persecuted. His followers should be studied, perhaps, but not as if there is something wrong with them, but to understand why they don't feel like they are treated fairly by "the system".

If we treat Trump as the problem, once he is gone, can we can feel safe? That's exactly what we shouldn't do because the hate and division that pushed Trump to the top will still be simmering. Just as an example, in today's world it is fine to say "Black Lives Matter", but saying "All Lives Matter" is considered racist. Yet, all lives do matter, and I think everyone agrees with that, so why is saying "All Lives Matter" considered racist? Blacks who hear "All Lives Matter" hear "Black lives don't matter". Meanwhile, others who hear "Black lives Matter" hear "Only Black lives matter". Thus, we've created a situation where people on both sides are sure to be offended, no matter what, and there is no middle ground, only ground for hatred and division.

So, what needs to be studied is not so much Trump, nor his followers, but rather our culture, with the goal of finding middle ground where people can agree, and we need to find common goals and places where we can work together.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/6/2021 10:33:53 PM 
Pence needs to show some courage and integrity for a change and get the cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment. There are several reports that Trump is non-functional. He's completely obsessed with overturning the election and isn't even attending to minimal duties of the office.

The FBI should be checking social media. You can bet that the instigators are taking advantage of their 15-minutes of infamy and posting their videos on social media.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 1:24:07 AM 
Ah, for the good old days, when a Trump Coup was my favorite play in bridge.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 8:22:01 AM 
L.C. wrote:

I'm back to disagreeing again. Trump is not particularly unique or interesting.


I'm not sure we're disagreeing here. To be clear, I didn't say Trump needs to be studied. I said his supporters do. As you say below, it's important to understand why Trump's supporters feel like they're being treated so unfairly by the 'system'.

To do so, I agree you need to study a variety of things -- not only the people. But you still need to study the people.


L.C. wrote:

Yes, Trump needs to be removed from office ASAP. But, he doesn't need to be studied personally so much as the culture in the US needs to be studied.


I agree with this on it's face, but also think we're overlooking a super specific component of Trump's appeal and one that led directly to yesterday's events.

The US has always been a bastion of conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking. There's a great book that studies this through the years called The Paranoid Style of American politics.

One very key and obvious difference with Trump is that he marks the first time one of the two major parties has mainstreamed that conspiratorial thinking. It's a trait that's very specific to Trump, and something that defines many of his followers.

And largely, the GOP has gotten on board. To wit, look how many GOP House Reps voted to decertify elections results last night. Even after the violent coup.



L.C. wrote:

If we treat Trump as the problem, once he is gone, can we can feel safe? That's exactly what we shouldn't do because the hate and division that pushed Trump to the top will still be simmering.


Totally agree here. Trump's a symptom, not the disease. But he's a symptom that's been perpetuated by a major political party and a propaganda network that spreads blatant, verifiable lies and foments anger and disillusion. And yesterday's wake up call about the very real, violent consequences of lying as a political platform didn't make much of a dent in the GOPs actions. For reference, take a look at how the House voted last night. Despicable cowards. Every single one of them.

We see it with a few Conservative posters here, even. These are people with the exact same education as the rest of us, and their critical thinking skills are broken.

L.C. wrote:

Just as an example, in today's world it is fine to say "Black Lives Matter", but saying "All Lives Matter" is considered racist. Yet, all lives do matter, and I think everyone agrees with that, so why is saying "All Lives Matter" considered racist? Blacks who hear "All Lives Matter" hear "Black lives don't matter". Meanwhile, others who hear "Black lives Matter" hear "Only Black lives matter". Thus, we've created a situation where people on both sides are sure to be offended, no matter what, and there is no middle ground, only ground for hatred and division.


I get where you're going, but don't think this is a good example. The phrase All Lives Matter arose in a specific context, as a response to the phrase Black Lives Matter. It was used to diminish the Black Lives Matter movement.

Imagine you're in the Doctor's office and he diagnoses you with Brain Stem Cancer, the 10 year survival rate of which is 0%, and he's in the middle of telling you how deadly it is. Then imagine some other Doctor bursts into the room to insist that all cancers are deadly.

The second doctor isn't wrong. But the second doctor added nothing at all to the conversation at hand. Now imagine that the second Doctor spent the next 8 years insisting that Doctors who want to treat brain cell cancer are actually racist for not talking enough about all cancers.




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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 10:33:41 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
...I get where you're going, but don't think this is a good example. The phrase All Lives Matter arose in a specific context, as a response to the phrase Black Lives Matter. It was used to diminish the Black Lives Matter movement.

Imagine you're in the Doctor's office and he diagnoses you with Brain Stem Cancer, the 10 year survival rate of which is 0%, and he's in the middle of telling you how deadly it is. Then imagine some other Doctor bursts into the room to insist that all cancers are deadly.

The second doctor isn't wrong. But the second doctor added nothing at all to the conversation at hand. Now imagine that the second Doctor spent the next 8 years insisting that Doctors who want to treat brain cell cancer are actually racist for not talking enough about all cancers.

So, you're saying that if you don't agree with someone's concerns, the best approach is to dismiss their concerns and tell them they are wrong?


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 10:43:13 AM 
Yesterday showed why "All lives matter" seems degrading to many (most? all?) Black people. When the George Floyd protests were going during the summer, there was a large federal law/military presence throughout DC. It was assumed that Black people would cause trouble, and when there was rioting it was met with force -- tear gas, clubs, tanks, etc. But yesterday's mob was treated with kid gloves, mostly because the crowd was predominantly white. There was minimal police presence, despite the fact that they knew the group consisted largely of paramilitary types who came prepared to cause trouble. They had pepper spray, guns, gas masks, batons, pipe bombs and molotov cocktails. Even when they violated a strict curfew, the cops didn't try to disperse them for more than an hour and let them mingle in large numbers for hours near the Capitol. Only 53 were arrested even though several hundred broke into the Capitol and caused damage.

The fact is, all lives should matter, but they really don't in the minds of many law enforcement officers. The Andre' Hill shooting in Columbus is but one example. Police were responding to a 311 (not 911) call for assistance but when they saw a Black man coming out of the garage they immediately pulled their weapons. He was gunned down for having a cell phone in his hand. White people get the benefit of the doubt; Black people don't. It's automatically assumed that they have a weapon. In the George Floyd case, the cop responding to a call about counterfeit money was very polite to the shopkeeper, but when he approached George Floyd's car he began talking tough and using profanity. One of the white guys who murdered Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia last spring was a former cop. He just assumed that a Black man jogging out of a house that was under construction had to be up to no good. Granted, it's not limited to police; someone should study whether white people's stress levels go up when they deal with Black people. But police are supposed to protect the public, even people they have in custody. Black people are shot and killed by police at a much higher rate than white people, even if they're not committing a crime. Black kids still get "the talk" from their parents about how to react when confronted by police. White kids don't. Unfortunately, that's life in America, even today.


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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 10:52:49 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
...I get where you're going, but don't think this is a good example. The phrase All Lives Matter arose in a specific context, as a response to the phrase Black Lives Matter. It was used to diminish the Black Lives Matter movement.

Imagine you're in the Doctor's office and he diagnoses you with Brain Stem Cancer, the 10 year survival rate of which is 0%, and he's in the middle of telling you how deadly it is. Then imagine some other Doctor bursts into the room to insist that all cancers are deadly.

The second doctor isn't wrong. But the second doctor added nothing at all to the conversation at hand. Now imagine that the second Doctor spent the next 8 years insisting that Doctors who want to treat brain cell cancer are actually racist for not talking enough about all cancers.

So, you're saying that if you don't agree with someone's concerns, the best approach is to dismiss their concerns and tell them they are wrong?


I'm not following. How am I saying that?

Isn't 'All Lives Matter' simply a dismissal of the concerns of BLM?

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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 11:44:00 AM 
L.C. wrote:

The US is approaching it's end, and he's a symptom, not a cause. Free speech is dead, supported by neither the left, nor the right. Propaganda is everywhere. That creates nothing but division and hatred. The result has been hatred, division, and violence. Sooner or later the US will succumb to this division, and be followed by a dictatorship. That's always been a given. The question we can't answer is, will it be someone like Trump, or will it be a Socialist? While I don't know the answer, I know that the current division in the country makes that future look imminent.

If we treat Trump as the problem, once he is gone, can we can feel safe? That's exactly what we shouldn't do because the hate and division that pushed Trump to the top will still be simmering. Just as an example, in today's world it is fine to say "Black Lives Matter", but saying "All Lives Matter" is considered racist. Yet, all lives do matter, and I think everyone agrees with that, so why is saying "All Lives Matter" considered racist? Blacks who hear "All Lives Matter" hear "Black lives don't matter". Meanwhile, others who hear "Black lives Matter" hear "Only Black lives matter". Thus, we've created a situation where people on both sides are sure to be offended, no matter what, and there is no middle ground, only ground for hatred and division.

So, what needs to be studied is not so much Trump, nor his followers, but rather our culture, with the goal of finding middle ground where people can agree, and we need to find common goals and places where we can work together.


Just so we are speaking the same language, the issue is not that freedom of speech is dead, as these examples don't show this. Freedom of speech, as the First Amendment of the US Constitution protects, prevents speech from being prosecuted. Here, you're speaking of it being persecuted, which is different. I'm not aware of any people being prosecuted for saying 'All Lives Matter', though they may have lost their jobs. If they are government jobs, then there would be an argument to be made that their 1st amendment is being infringed upon. However, if it's that they're raked over the coals on Twitter or banned from a private company's site, that's not a violation of the first amendment.

In actuality, the death of us could come from allowing so much flexibility in the first amendment. The POTUS has been allowed to say blatantly false claims for years with little to no restrictions. Facebook has allowed hate groups to materialize in social media (twitter as well and probably many other sites, but those are the biggies).

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   Posted: 1/7/2021 1:03:34 PM 
Already today, Conservatives (including elected public officials) are trying to reframe what happened.

The most common reframing is (surprise!) a conspiracy theory positing that the violent mob yesterday was actually members of Antifa posing as Trump supporters.

But even more troubling is that initial polling shows that Republicans generally support the violent mob and that more Republicans believe Joe Biden was responsible for it than Donald Trump.

I think the GOP is a lost cause. Just a band of delusional, scared, conspiracy addled weirdos now. Time to burn it down.
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   Posted: 1/7/2021 1:05:50 PM 
Not sure if this belongs here but I think I can tie it in:

Pennsylvania republican state senators refused to seat a re-elected Democratic senator during ceremonies yesterday. This is the same state that, along with other swing states, is trying to enact tougher voter suppression laws. And this movement in PA is being led by a graduate of Ohio University.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 1:15:32 PM 
Sadly more than one OU grad involved in this. One participant was a resident of Read Hall during the 1980-81 school year.



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   Posted: 1/7/2021 1:36:42 PM 
3 members of Meal Team 6 died while storming the steps of the Capital, one was a member of the vaunted Gravy Seals, all suffered Heart Attacks in the line of duty. Since they were defending their oath to revolution they will receive a full Buffett furneral service.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/7/2021 4:59:05 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Yesterday showed why "All lives matter" seems degrading to many (most? all?) Black people. ....

Note that I'm not disagreeing with your points about the black perspective. What I am trying to do is to delve into the psych of the people who feel left out. I'm not saying that there is an easy answer as to how to get black people to be treated fairly, and think they are being treated fairly, and also, simultaneously, make other people think they are treated fairly, too.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I'm not following. How am I saying that?

Isn't 'All Lives Matter' simply a dismissal of the concerns of BLM?

Here you repeat your point. You are saying they are wrong, so their views don't matter. By contrast, I'm saying that whether they are wrong or not, their views do matter, and they need to be examined, and addressed, and a way should be found to include them in the discussion as well.

It would be interesting to seem some economic data on this group of "deplorables". I suspect that they have a significantly lower average income and average wealth than the average American, and a significantly lower average education than average as well. So, when they hear "black lives matter" they hear "and yours don't". Trump was popular with this group precisely because he told these people they do matter, something they weren't hearing from anyone else.


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   Posted: 1/7/2021 5:48:50 PM 
L.C. wrote:

Here you repeat your point. You are saying they are wrong, so their views don't matter. By contrast, I'm saying that whether they are wrong or not, their views do matter, and they need to be examined, and addressed, and a way should be found to include them in the discussion as well.

It would be interesting to seem some economic data on this group of "deplorables". I suspect that they have a significantly lower average income and average wealth than the average American, and a significantly lower average education than average as well. So, when they hear "black lives matter" they hear "and yours don't". Trump was popular with this group precisely because he told these people they do matter, something they weren't hearing from anyone else.


It's still unclear how I'm saying that their views don't matter. I'm trying to explain to you why the slogan 'All Lives Matter' has gained the meaning it has. Nothing about that precludes their views from being examined and addressed.

I'm simply pointing out that trying to get your views examined by creating a counter-slogan that's dismissive of another movement isn't a particularly useful way of going about it.

You asked the following:

L.C. wrote:

Yet, all lives do matter, and I think everyone agrees with that, so why is saying "All Lives Matter" considered racist? Blacks who hear "All Lives Matter" hear "Black lives don't matter". Meanwhile, others who hear "Black lives Matter" hear "Only Black lives matter".


Addressing how that's come to be does not mean that I'm dismissing the concerns of Trump supporters as invalid. I'm explaining why blacks feel that the phrase 'All Lives Matter' is racist. It's because its use is limited exclusively to those who do not support the Black Lives Matter movement, and the phrase itself arose to specifically as a rebuttal to Black Lives Matter.




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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/8/2021 1:06:19 PM 
You've explained nicely why Trump has such strong support, why those divisions will not be resolved any time soon, and why that group of people will continue to be unhappy in the future. The next person who taps into that support, unfortunately, may be more competent than the last one.


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   Posted: 1/8/2021 1:13:07 PM 
L.C. wrote:
You've explained nicely why Trump has such strong support, why those divisions will not be resolved any time soon, and why that group of people will continue to be unhappy in the future. The next person who taps into that support, unfortunately, may be more competent than the last one.


I'm still very unclear of your point.

There are plenty of valid reasons Trump supporters -- and Americans in general -- have to be frustrated with the system. America is not serving a big chunk of Americans particularly well. I'm not dismissing that or debating that.

The pertinent question, to me, is why this particular segment of the population's so inclined towards fascism. There are many under-served groups in the United States that are not. So what is it about the ways Trump supporters feel underserved that leads them to believe Trumpism provides an answer.

I'm having trouble seeing how the All Live/Black Lives example explains that.



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   Posted: 1/8/2021 9:44:22 PM 
JSF wrote:
SVAC83 wrote:

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but in a couple of weeks TRUMP's legal challenges will be over and he will exit the way he is supposed to and no one will really pay any attention.


Yeah, we've heard this for four years now and it's yet to play out that way.

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Maybe it is just me but i see Biden press conferences almost everyday and everything seems to be moving along just fine.


Because you're ignorant.

[quote]You guys should take the lead of our next president and basically ignore him.


Screw that. Biden sucks and he's going to be a bad president unless people organize and pressure him into not sucking. He's gonna follow our lead, I'm not gonna follow his.


Huh.


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   Posted: 1/9/2021 10:33:02 AM 
As time's passed and additional images and video has surfaced, the reality of what occurred at the Capital on January 6th has only gotten worse.

A police officer was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. There's video of another screaming in anguish as he's being crushed, pushed by dozens of people in a small enclosed area, the crowd so tight he's visible having trouble breathing.

This was a violent coup and the goal was to stop the results of a democratic election from being certified. It was planned online, in the open, for weeks. Politicians including Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley encouraged and incited the incident. All should be held accountable both legally, and by being removed from public office and barred from ever holding an elected office again.

A huge portion of the country is no longer capable of distinguishing obvious fiction from fact. It's a very sad state of affairs and without a serious reckoning about how we deal with the way propaganda, conspiracies, and outright take hold so firmly in our country, I fear we won't survive.

That none of the Conservative posters here are even willing to show their faces and acknowledge what's taken place in the last week doesn't fill me with hope. This isn't a disease than can just be ignored and avoided. It has to be met head on, and a light needs to be shone on it. From

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   Posted: 1/9/2021 11:27:54 AM 
What's worse, a poll released Thursday shows that 45% of Republicans support Wednesday's act of treason, only 43% opposed. (The poll was conducted late Wednesday and has a margin of error of 3.3%.) This shows how far Trump, McConnell, Graham, Hawley and the rest of Trump's enablers have dragged the GOP down. Drain the swamp, create a cesspool.


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   Posted: 1/9/2021 12:00:57 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
What's worse, a poll released Thursday shows that 45% of Republicans support Wednesday's act of treason, only 43% opposed. (The poll was conducted late Wednesday and has a margin of error of 3.3%.) This shows how far Trump, McConnell, Graham, Hawley and the rest of Trump's enablers have dragged the GOP down. Drain the swamp, create a cesspool.


With each passing day, I'm seeing more and more people coming out of the woodwork to continue to support Trump and the right of these "protesters" to do what they did. At first very few folks dared to say that but now they are feeling safety in numbers. One of the themes that is emerging is that that the "protesters" on Wednesday did far less damage than the riots this summer. Hopefully without a leader, this crazy movement slows and then begins to decline.

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   Posted: 1/9/2021 2:30:39 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Hopefully without a leader, this crazy movement slows and then begins to decline.


I'm afraid that Trump is going to be more bolden and dangerous as a leader once he's out of office. He needs, and deserves, to be prosecuted for inciting the Jan. 6 coup on our democracy.
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   Posted: 1/9/2021 3:34:44 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
What's worse, a poll released Thursday shows that 45% of Republicans support Wednesday's act of treason, only 43% opposed. (The poll was conducted late Wednesday and has a margin of error of 3.3%.) This shows how far Trump, McConnell, Graham, Hawley and the rest of Trump's enablers have dragged the GOP down. Drain the swamp, create a cesspool.


With each passing day, I'm seeing more and more people coming out of the woodwork to continue to support Trump and the right of these "protesters" to do what they did. At first very few folks dared to say that but now they are feeling safety in numbers. One of the themes that is emerging is that that the "protesters" on Wednesday did far less damage than the riots this summer. Hopefully without a leader, this crazy movement slows and then begins to decline.



Not sure any police were murdered by the protestors at the BLM protest that Trump cleared with chemical agents prior to his photo op.

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   Posted: 1/9/2021 8:59:48 PM 
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  Message Not Read  RE: The "college" vote?
   Posted: 1/10/2021 11:15:13 AM 
I said i would revisit this thread come January and it is January. Look what the people did on Wednesday was wrong and all of those people should be prosecuted. To me what you guys don't see is your own impact on this and that you guys seem to believe every thing that you read and believe that every person that voted for trump is a racist and all other kinds of bad names.

Needless to say most people i know are conservative. As i look over their Facebook pages and twitter accounts 95% of them disagree with what happened Wednesday and it is a embarrassment to all of us. So a poll that says 43% agree with this i think is wrong and is continuing to drive wedge between people.

Just like i don't believe all democrats are socialist people need to quit treating all conservatives as racists and all the other names you throw out at them.

What happened at the capital was wrong. But estimates of the crowd where trumped talked was about 500K. Most people say maybe 25K to 50K of them marched toward the capital. less actually climbed the steps and surrounded the capital. So talking about everyone that went to DC that day under the same umbrella is crazy.

I have no problem with impeaching trump. I think it is a waste of time but i have no problem with it. And if it makes America feel better to do it then do it.


Where was the outrage a few months ago. when i group of protesters marched on the supreme court and tried to break in. the only real difference is they didn't get in. if they had the results would of probably not been much different. there was property damage and things broken. Why no outrage?

So when riots in Washington state and other places were aloud to go on for weeks. police officers hurt and killed no outrage some police forces even told to stand down. This violence was not outraged by you? or i did not read it..

Your problem here is because it was from the other side.

Nancy pelosi has twice objected to the counting of certain electoral votes. No one wanted to oust her or call her names. The truth is what happened in congress that day is no different then what happened several times in the past the difference was there were more people and that tensions were heightened .


I really think one of the big problems here is the way court throughout all the trump court cases around the elections. I understand a lot of these cases were baseless. But some of them were not. They would of not overturned any state but like in Nevada even the democrats say there were probably 3000 non residents that voted.

So why instead of just throwing it out could it not of been heard. And we would of shined light on the problems but still of shown the Biden's election was legitimate. I think if this approach would of been taken more and more people would of moved away from the president.

Look their are radical racists that support trump their is no doubt that these people exist. and they are deplorable. And these people need to be called out no doubt. But this is a very small percentage of the 75 million that voted for trump.

Just like their are democrats that believe that it is all right to execute cops in the streets and that looting and rioting and violence is ok. And these people need to be called out.

And both sides need to quit acting like both ends of either party are the majority.


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