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  Message Not Read  Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/10/2020 11:24:44 AM 
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


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   Posted: 10/12/2020 11:58:16 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/14/2020 7:36:15 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/14/2020 10:01:17 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?


https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /


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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 9:14:32 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?


https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /


WOW! A 31% drop in 7 years - 2017 to 2024. Why? The number of students graduating from high school will only have dropped a fraction of that in that time period.

And one other thought. Assuming $750 per student per year in fees dedicated to athletics, for each drop of 2000 students that's a reduction of $1.5 milliion per year in fees.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 10:09:46 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?


https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /


WOW! A 31% drop in 7 years - 2017 to 2024. Why? The number of students graduating from high school will only have dropped a fraction of that in that time period.

And one other thought. Assuming $750 per student per year in fees dedicated to athletics, for each drop of 2000 students that's a reduction of $1.5 milliion per year in fees.



With that kind of a drop and the succeeding financial difficulties, I would say a couple hundred grand of longevity bonuses would be in order for such fine stewardship.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 10:09:56 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?


https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /


WOW! A 31% drop in 7 years - 2017 to 2024. Why? The number of students graduating from high school will only have dropped a fraction of that in that time period.

And one other thought. Assuming $750 per student per year in fees dedicated to athletics, for each drop of 2000 students that's a reduction of $1.5 milliion per year in fees.



I'd be really curious to understand why, as well. One theory, I guess, is just that we're getting our ass kicked by Miami and UC in the Ohio hierarchy behind OSU.

UC in particular's growing enrollment numbers. A big school like that leapfrogging us in the ranking could eat into enrollment substantially.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 10:17:30 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/health-department-...

This doesn't bode well for bringing students back for Spring Semester.


Many students have already been told that their classes will be all online.


Was told today that Athens undergraducate enrollment has dropped below 15K. Can anyone verify that?


https://woub.org/2020/10/12/ohio-university-projections-s... /


WOW! A 31% drop in 7 years - 2017 to 2024. Why? The number of students graduating from high school will only have dropped a fraction of that in that time period.

And one other thought. Assuming $750 per student per year in fees dedicated to athletics, for each drop of 2000 students that's a reduction of $1.5 milliion per year in fees.



With that kind of a drop and the succeeding financial difficulties, I would say a couple hundred grand of longevity bonuses would be in order for such fine stewardship.


Man, if you're upset about 33k a year, you're going to lose your mind when I show you what we're paying our football coach.






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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 10:38:12 AM 
Our football coach should get a longevity bonus as well! Actually should be on his third. Very important to have such stability in a position such as that.

And funny, We can go to other threads, and the talk is about our superiority to Miami and other state schools and they should consolidate them into OHIO.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 9:36:55 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


WOW! A 31% drop in 7 years - 2017 to 2024. Why? The number of students graduating from high school will only have dropped a fraction of that in that time period.

And one other thought. Assuming $750 per student per year in fees dedicated to athletics, for each drop of 2000 students that's a reduction of $1.5 milliion per year in fees.



I'd be really curious to understand why, as well. One theory, I guess, is just that we're getting our ass kicked by Miami and UC in the Ohio hierarchy behind OSU.

UC in particular's growing enrollment numbers. A big school like that leapfrogging us in the ranking could eat into enrollment substantially.


The rise in cheaper online courses is probably one reason for the decline. Twenty years ago there was just the University of Phoenix. Now there's Southern New Hampshire U, Purdue University Global, and a slew of others. Ohio has to become competitive in this regard.

Also, many students will spend the first two years at a community college then transfer credits to a four-year university as a cost-saving measure. They stay with their parents or rent a cheap apartment to save on room and board. So Ohio gets two years' of tuition, maybe less of room and board, instead of four.

And there aren't as many foreign students -- with their higher tuition rates -- coming to the US as there used to be. That's in large part to the shift in this country's attitude about foreigners, particularly from Asia and Central American countries, during the past four years. We're just not making foreigners feel welcome anymore. This has affected all universities in the US.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/15/2020 10:34:46 PM 
The school did two things after the 2017 record class. They raised admission standards and in typical fashion they raised the price.

In that WOUB article about an hour into the video they discuss a sharp increase in scholarship money spent and a decrease in net tuition. What is happening is a higher percentage of students are qualifying for the merit aid discount than before while you aren't seeing as many students attend without the discounts. I believe that discount starts at 25 on the ACT and goes up from there with an extra 1,000 off the tuition for each point on the scale.

The average middle class Ohio kid has been priced out by this tuition structure and is now considering other options. The requirement to live two years in the dorms is costly.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 4:47:06 AM 
Regional campus enrollement is also seeing a steep decline as well, No?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 6:54:59 AM 
Pataskala wrote:

Also, many students will spend the first two years at a community college then transfer credits to a four-year university as a cost-saving measure. They stay with their parents or rent a cheap apartment to save on room and board. So Ohio gets two years' of tuition, maybe less of room and board, instead of four.



New Jersey is actually encouraging the Community College approach.

A few years ago they put in place a system that assures a 100% "seamless" transfer of Community College credits to any state school.

We've had a problem with students from Community Colleges going into the engineering programs at FDU.
We've found that most Community College classes in math and science,especially things like Calculus and Physics are not taught at the same level as a four year college.

So, even though the credits may be accepted,the students aren't able to function in higher level classes.

That means that a lot of our Community College students end up having to retake these of classes.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 7:42:18 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:

Also, many students will spend the first two years at a community college then transfer credits to a four-year university as a cost-saving measure. They stay with their parents or rent a cheap apartment to save on room and board. So Ohio gets two years' of tuition, maybe less of room and board, instead of four.



New Jersey is actually encouraging the Community College approach.

A few years ago they put in place a system that assures a 100% "seamless" transfer of Community College credits to any state school.

We've had a problem with students from Community Colleges going into the engineering programs at FDU.
We've found that most Community College classes in math and science,especially things like Calculus and Physics are not taught at the same level as a four year college.

So, even though the credits may be accepted,the students aren't able to function in higher level classes.

That means that a lot of our Community College students end up having to retake these of classes.



Ohio has had that transfer agreement for several years now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 9:36:32 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:

Also, many students will spend the first two years at a community college then transfer credits to a four-year university as a cost-saving measure. They stay with their parents or rent a cheap apartment to save on room and board. So Ohio gets two years' of tuition, maybe less of room and board, instead of four.



New Jersey is actually encouraging the Community College approach.

A few years ago they put in place a system that assures a 100% "seamless" transfer of Community College credits to any state school.

We've had a problem with students from Community Colleges going into the engineering programs at FDU.
We've found that most Community College classes in math and science,especially things like Calculus and Physics are not taught at the same level as a four year college.

So, even though the credits may be accepted,the students aren't able to function in higher level classes.

That means that a lot of our Community College students end up having to retake these of classes.



Excellent point and some will say that the same applies to many students who come to the main campus after 2 years at a branch. It just isn't the same level of instruction.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 12:57:52 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Regional campus enrollement is also seeing a steep decline as well, No?


Online enrollment is down as well. The conversation going back a few years ago as those programs hit a saturation point after taking in a lot of older non-traditional students. There was a surge in demand for nursing to catch up with a backlog who wanted that training.

Some of the regional campuses to me don't make that much sense in today's education economy. Lancaster makes sense with the population of Fairfield county as does having that campus in the greater Huntington market. OU-Eastern is near Wheeling so a decent regional pop there. Zanesville and Chillicothe seem too small of a market to want to have a campus in.

It sounds like the plan for the Athens campus is to set the undergraduate enrollment to a lower range (12,500 to 15,000) permanently. Combined with the alumni base beginning to top out at 250,000 the desire/need to add capacity to Peden goes away completely.

Then also OU is now smaller than Miami. For a few decades the prevailing view was that OU was larger school than Miami and if you wanted a smaller more intimate in-state option Miami was the way to go. Is that going to flip just like Miami has eclipsed OU in the party school rankings? Court Street bar scene having to go foodie because of COVID. It may be the end of trying to challenge OSU and UC directly but might assist in recruiting against in recruiting against those looking for something smaller.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 1:19:52 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:

Also, many students will spend the first two years at a community college then transfer credits to a four-year university as a cost-saving measure. They stay with their parents or rent a cheap apartment to save on room and board. So Ohio gets two years' of tuition, maybe less of room and board, instead of four.



New Jersey is actually encouraging the Community College approach.

A few years ago they put in place a system that assures a 100% "seamless" transfer of Community College credits to any state school.

We've had a problem with students from Community Colleges going into the engineering programs at FDU.
We've found that most Community College classes in math and science,especially things like Calculus and Physics are not taught at the same level as a four year college.

So, even though the credits may be accepted,the students aren't able to function in higher level classes.

That means that a lot of our Community College students end up having to retake these of classes.



Excellent point and some will say that the same applies to many students who come to the main campus after 2 years at a branch. It just isn't the same level of instruction.


If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


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   Posted: 10/16/2020 2:03:01 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:

If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


A lot depends on the how rigorous the high school program is.

I work with the Civil Engineering and the Civil Engineering Technology and Construction Engineering Technology programs at FDU.
So I can only,speak to that.

Most of our freshman come in with 4 years of math.
(Algebra 1 and 2,geometry and trig/pre-calculus)
We get a limited number of students who also have had high school calculus.

If they only have 3 years of math,they have to take Pre calculus.

We find,regardless of the high school,a large % of freshman need some remedial classes in math.

Our freshman classes aren't that large.

We tend to get a lot of sophomore transfers.
Most of those kids found out they didn't like the large "name" universities.

Again,we find a number of those students have issues with Calc.III and Differential Equations.
A lot end up retaking Calc.II

The quality of high school AP programs varies a lot.

We've found that kids who were in programs that required taking the AP exam have a much higher level of competency then those who didn't have to.

At FDU we strive to prepare our graduates to take (and pass) the P.E. Exam.
Our exam questions are modeled after the Exam.
In fact,all seniors are required to take,but not pass,the FE exam.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 2:28:15 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
It sounds like the plan for the Athens campus is to set the undergraduate enrollment to a lower range (12,500 to 15,000) permanently. Combined with the alumni base beginning to top out at 250,000 the desire/need to add capacity to Peden goes away completely.


There goes BTC long-running plan to expand Peden to 40,000.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Boyd Hall evacuated after 19 students test positive for Covid
   Posted: 10/16/2020 2:34:04 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:

If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


A lot depends on the how rigorous the high school program is.


The quality of high school AP programs varies a lot.

We've found that kids who were in programs that required taking the AP exam have a much higher level of competency then those who didn't have to.





"Taking" AP classes doesn't mean what it used to. I never could understand how taking the class and not taking the test made sense. RP hit the nail on the head with these three sentences.

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   Posted: 10/16/2020 3:35:33 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:
It sounds like the plan for the Athens campus is to set the undergraduate enrollment to a lower range (12,500 to 15,000) permanently. Combined with the alumni base beginning to top out at 250,000 the desire/need to add capacity to Peden goes away completely.


There goes BTC long-running plan to expand Peden to 40,000.


LOL I’m sure you know that’s all sarcasm from the many who used to push that idea every year.
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   Posted: 10/16/2020 3:42:24 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:

If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


A lot depends on the how rigorous the high school program is.


The quality of high school AP programs varies a lot.

We've found that kids who were in programs that required taking the AP exam have a much higher level of competency then those who didn't have to.





"Taking" AP classes doesn't mean what it used to. I never could understand how taking the class and not taking the test made sense. RP hit the nail on the head with these three sentences.



With so few schools Giving AP class credit, not taking the test makes a lot of sense, speaking from personal experience with a student who received 7 - 5’s and not getting one class credit and dealing with seniors who have largely decided what school they are attending and their requirements, not taking the test makes perfect financial sense.

As an educator, of an AP class for 14 years in 3 different subjects, I have never had a student achieve less than a 3, (which is passing) and a 100% “passage” rate of my students, yet very little credit ever given to the students.

I agree Regional campuses need examined, but that will be a tough pill for many decision makers and politicians.

There is a reason the College Board started requiring money in November v the spring, they are bleeding numbers of test takers in AP classes.

Last Edited: 10/16/2020 3:44:00 PM by BillyTheCat

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   Posted: 10/16/2020 8:48:17 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.


This is a hidden dishonor and disaster that has been going on in many districts for generations. At my school in the 1980's they split us up into 7 "groups" in the 7th grade with the distinct and verbalized segregation that the first two were "college" material. The next group was you are good for HS and maybe if you try real, real hard can go to college, and the bottom four - we just want you to get through HS. Then we wonder why the pool of college students are dwindling? Really? I'm not a proponent that a college degree is the golden ticket - far from it. But the segregation that many districts (in Appalachia at least) create at a young age is disturbing.
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   Posted: 10/16/2020 10:14:11 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:

If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


A lot depends on the how rigorous the high school program is.


The quality of high school AP programs varies a lot.

We've found that kids who were in programs that required taking the AP exam have a much higher level of competency then those who didn't have to.





"Taking" AP classes doesn't mean what it used to. I never could understand how taking the class and not taking the test made sense. RP hit the nail on the head with these three sentences.



With so few schools Giving AP class credit, not taking the test makes a lot of sense, speaking from personal experience with a student who received 7 - 5’s and not getting one class credit and dealing with seniors who have largely decided what school they are attending and their requirements, not taking the test makes perfect financial sense.

As an educator, of an AP class for 14 years in 3 different subjects, I have never had a student achieve less than a 3, (which is passing) and a 100% “passage” rate of my students, yet very little credit ever given to the students.

I agree Regional campuses need examined, but that will be a tough pill for many decision makers and politicians.

There is a reason the College Board started requiring money in November v the spring, they are bleeding numbers of test takers in AP classes.


Not sure what you mean by no credit given. No credit given by the local high school or no credit given by the college the student attended? Seems like lots of schools are giving credit.

http://pages.prompt.com/colleges-that-accept-2020-ap-cred...

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   Posted: 10/17/2020 3:16:11 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Club Hyatt wrote:

If you want to go the engineering route it all begins in high school by taking 4 if not 5 years worth of math to be able to handle the rigor. I had 5 years in math including calculus to go along with AP classes in the humanities. In my school district only honors students were permitted to take the courses from a lineage that starts from the gifted programs in elementary school.

It is possible to get an engineering degree starting from not having the traditional prep background for it but its fairly rare.


A lot depends on the how rigorous the high school program is.


The quality of high school AP programs varies a lot.

We've found that kids who were in programs that required taking the AP exam have a much higher level of competency then those who didn't have to.





"Taking" AP classes doesn't mean what it used to. I never could understand how taking the class and not taking the test made sense. RP hit the nail on the head with these three sentences.



With so few schools Giving AP class credit, not taking the test makes a lot of sense, speaking from personal experience with a student who received 7 - 5’s and not getting one class credit and dealing with seniors who have largely decided what school they are attending and their requirements, not taking the test makes perfect financial sense.

As an educator, of an AP class for 14 years in 3 different subjects, I have never had a student achieve less than a 3, (which is passing) and a 100% “passage” rate of my students, yet very little credit ever given to the students.

I agree Regional campuses need examined, but that will be a tough pill for many decision makers and politicians.

There is a reason the College Board started requiring money in November v the spring, they are bleeding numbers of test takers in AP classes.


Not sure what you mean by no credit given. No credit given by the local high school or no credit given by the college the student attended? Seems like lots of schools are giving credit.

http://pages.prompt.com/colleges-that-accept-2020-ap-cred...


Do you notice that none of them say what you need to get that credit? Some may give the hours but not count the class. Not like I am on the front lines of this with the students though. Oh well.

Last Edited: 10/17/2020 3:16:25 PM by BillyTheCat

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