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Topic:  RE: Pursuit of justice
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 8:13:44 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


I think mandatory service is a really interesting idea, but totally agree with this. There's 30 some odd percent of the country right now who have completely convinced themselves that civil servants are traitors running a deep state coup. The idea of garnering support for mandatory government service seems far fetched.

Not that anybody here was proposing it as anything but, but still.


The problem with mandatory 2 year service for 18-19 year olds are the numbers.

From a quick Google search,there would be over 4 million every year.

Where do you put them all ?
How do you pay them ?

From what I've read,the military prefers volunteers.
I guess if they can't meet needs,you could go back to the draft.

I also think there would be a lot or resistance from today's youth and, in many cases,their parents, to any type of mandatory government service,military or otherwise.




Last Edited: 11/26/2019 8:14:42 AM by rpbobcat

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 8:39:01 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


I think mandatory service is a really interesting idea, but totally agree with this. There's 30 some odd percent of the country right now who have completely convinced themselves that civil servants are traitors running a deep state coup. The idea of garnering support for mandatory government service seems far fetched.

Not that anybody here was proposing it as anything but, but still.


The problem with mandatory 2 year service for 18-19 year olds are the numbers.

From a quick Google search,there would be over 4 million every year.

Where do you put them all ?
How do you pay them ?

From what I've read,the military prefers volunteers.
I guess if they can't meet needs,you could go back to the draft.

I also think there would be a lot or resistance from today's youth and, in many cases,their parents, to any type of mandatory government service,military or otherwise.


I don't think finding the need is the problem. Between the military, education, foreign service, community development, the Peace Corps, the Americorps, there's plenty of need. Hell, there's a mid-sized city in Michigan that hasn't had drinking water in a couple of years. Government services are backlogged, the VA has ridiculous wait times. There's plenty to be done. And there's also plenty of money. We've spent 2.4 trillion dollars on the war in Afghanistan, after all. We just gave farmers $28 billion dollars to counteract bad policy. We could start by, you know, not doing those sorts of things. Might create some room for a much larger civil service.

But culturally it's a non-starter, I agree. Largely because too many people have become defenders of a status quo that insists big changes are impossible.

Last Edited: 11/26/2019 8:42:15 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 9:16:17 AM 
Agreed, there is plenty to do just rebuilding our infrastructure. Our roads and bridges are a mess, the national parks are falling apart, and many of our schools are in dire need of help. The problem is that in the USA, we have an aversion of being told what to do. Individually we all know what is best for us the rest of the world be damned. My point was more about a vast number of students entering college not really being ready for what college is supposed to be about. Full disclosure - in 1973, I might very well have fallen into that category based on my performance the first 4 semesters.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 10:24:52 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


I don't think finding the need is the problem. Between the military, education, foreign service, community development, the Peace Corps, the Americorps, there's plenty of need. Hell, there's a mid-sized city in Michigan that hasn't had drinking water in a couple of years. Government services are backlogged, the VA has ridiculous wait times. There's plenty to be done. And there's also plenty of money. We've spent 2.4 trillion dollars on the war in Afghanistan, after all. We just gave farmers $28 billion dollars to counteract bad policy. We could start by, you know, not doing those sorts of things. Might create some room for a much larger civil service.

But culturally it's a non-starter, I agree. Largely because too many people have become defenders of a status quo that insists big changes are impossible.


I guess I should have been clearer.
Its not an issue of not having needs these kids can fill.

Its a matter of skills.

Its not like WWII where you need a lot of infantry.
Or the WPA where you hand a guy a shovel.

Training someone to work in something like the Peace Corps or as a teacher's aide,may be possible.

But military training takes time.
Same with working in construction.

In some cases,by the time you train someone to do a job,their service time is up.

I also don't think construction unions are going to in favor of giving up major construction projects.



Last Edited: 11/26/2019 10:25:46 AM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 10:29:19 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Agreed, there is plenty to do just rebuilding our infrastructure. Our roads and bridges are a mess, the national parks are falling apart, and many of our schools are in dire need of help. The problem is that in the USA, we have an aversion of being told what to do. Individually we all know what is best for us the rest of the world be damned. My point was more about a vast number of students entering college not really being ready for what college is supposed to be about. Full disclosure - in 1973, I might very well have fallen into that category based on my performance the first 4 semesters.


Yeah, all of that infrastructure you speak of requires revenue derived from taxes. Good luck getting that passed. And then all this socialism you mention will have many heads exploding ;-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pursuit of justice
   Posted: 11/26/2019 12:30:59 PM 
Having gone through the Peace Corps process, they don't want fresh HS graduates unless you have a rare, developed skill. You need to be able to offer them something. They don't really train other than the local language.


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