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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 3/4/2016 10:50:20 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
D.A. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcatbob wrote:
When this kind of thing happens to political candidates, they send the money back to bolster the perception that they want no part of the controversy. As painful as that might be, this could be a case where that should be happening.

Each year, I get a nice brochure from the AD telling me what is expected of me as a donor/booster/fan/Bobcat so I don't cause an NCAA scandal. I don't know that the NCAA rules explicitly cover "publicly embarrassing the University, the Board, the President, the Athletic Director and his staff" but they probably should.

I also understand (don't I?) that the latest, promised $200K was never paid but I can't decide if that is more damning or less.

Besides all that, I have to think that the only good thing about this so far is that the Dispatch or some Columbus TV station hasn't assigned an "investigative" reporter to get to the bottom of this.


NCAA rules only pertain to violations that involve athletes. This had nothing to do with athletes so it is nothing the NCAA will even be looking at. As state employees we are looking at possible ethics violations and the corresponding penalties.


I recall at least one article from the A-News somehow tying in Wharton's donation to the Academic Center.


From the articles, assuming you can believe the reporting, the commitment was (paraphrasing): When I (Wharton) sell this house I own, I will have the free cash flow to pay my outstanding pledge to the Walter of $100k in full, and will also have the free cash flow to make an additional donation in full for $100k to the Sook.


Wow! And I bet you think one of the three stooges "debating" on tv tonight is fit to be president. This was a pay to play deal if I ever saw one.



What about "assuming you can believe the reporting" wasn't clear to you?


I almost felt about adding a similar statement to my post when I mentioned A-News...

I take everything I read their with a certain grain of salt. They present some interesting stories that other Athens papers miss out on but sometimes it feels very tabloid-like in that they seem to just throw stuff around to drum up views and see what sticks...

there


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 3/4/2016 4:26:16 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Attacking the messenger (in this case, the A-News) is such a lazy cop out when one doesn't like the implications of a story. A blanket statement of how "the media sucks" or journalists lie is just another ad hominem attack. Most people on this thread aren't even in Athens, yet they question the validity of these stories just based on the source. I don't know enough to say that they've had flawless reporting, but I've read all the stories and they have done the basics, including repeatedly trying to get the administration's side of the story both through interviews and FOIA requests. I get that many fans don't like the implications of this story, but trying to tear down the source doesn't change the basic realities of the case.

A McMansion on Coventry Lane could not possibly be worth $1.2 million on any open market. The most expensive Zillow estimate on Coventry right now is $338,000. The most expensive house for sale in all of Athens is less than $600,000 now. The stonewalling on information since it all came to light is not exactly a sign that everything was on the up and up either. I'm as big a fan as anyone, but I am with Alan on this one until the administration offers a better explanation.


A blanket statement defending all journalists is much lazier than what I posted.

As I mentioned, the A-News does post some interesting stories that go missed by the Messenger and the Post. Why? In many cases, I think they cover a different type of story than those two outlets do... More of a tabloid type vibe trying to stir up controversy. In SOME cases, the controversy turns out to be warranted. I didn't draw this conclusion about the A-News based on this one story... In fact I think this one story is one of the better cases of investigative journalism they have done.
I believe it is OCF who pointed out that the A-News tends to re-hash the same articles year after year... As far as quality reporting goes, I'd put them below the Messenger in the Athens market. There is nothing wrong with that... The Messenger is a subscription based paper... The A-News is a free paper that generates revenue a different way... NOTHING wrong with that. Tabloids serve as a valuable entertainment outlet in this country.


Below the Messenger? You've got to be kidding. As a daily/weekly reader of both for over 35 years, there is no comparison between the reporting of the ANews and the Mess. The ANews broke this story and has won awards for their reporting of it. The writer is thorough, thoughtful and balanced. The ANews is far from an entertainment piece.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 3/7/2016 7:52:03 AM 
The Optimist wrote:


A blanket statement defending all journalists is much lazier than what I posted.



Care to point out where anyone on this thread did this?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 8/4/2016 4:06:17 PM 
Listed at quite a bit less than $1.2 million, and I seriously doubt it'll fetch the asking price.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/31-Coven...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 8/4/2016 10:05:51 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Listed at quite a bit less than $1.2 million, and I seriously doubt it'll fetch the asking price.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/31-Coven...


That is just the house, not the adjoining lots.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 8/4/2016 10:15:34 PM 
What is interesting also is the fact the University has this property under lease until
June 2017
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 8/5/2016 7:13:24 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
What is interesting also is the fact the University has this property under lease until
June 2017


I don't know about Ohio,but its not uncommon in N.J.,especially with commercial and "high end" properties,particularly if you anticipate a property may be on the market for a while before its sold.

That may be the case for this property since the ad says you have to be a "pre-qualified" buyer.
Normally that means you have to be pre-qualified to even get an appointment to see the property.

What is a little unusual is that the ad doesn't say something like "available ___ 2017".

Usually, when you get a buyer,you set up the closing for after the lease expires.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/1/2018 12:43:18 PM 
https://www.ohio.edu/compass/stories/17-18/04/academic-en...

29 Park Place to become the home for the new Center for Academic Engagement.

Anyone have any updates on all those indictments that the State of Ohio was going to hand down for shady dealings?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/1/2018 3:48:17 PM 

D.A. wrote:
https://www.ohio.edu/compass/stories/17-18/04/academic-en...

29 Park Place to become the home for the new Center for Academic Engagement.

Anyone have any updates on all those indictments that the State of Ohio was going to hand down for shady dealings? 

James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence! wink surprise


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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/1/2018 8:57:45 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence!


OCF, for someone who claims he gets political on BA only when someone on the left gets in the first shot, you seem to be getting your right-leaning beliefs in a lot without provocation lately.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/1/2018 10:52:56 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence!


OCF, for someone who claims he gets political on BA only when someone on the left gets in the first shot, you seem to be getting your right-leaning beliefs in a lot without provocation lately.


Just like Trump, OCF is feeling the pressure.

Hope the bats do not get in the way of a productive work environment.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 1:01:44 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence!


OCF, for someone who claims he gets political on BA only when someone on the left gets in the first shot, you seem to be getting your right-leaning beliefs in a lot without provocation lately.


Two points: Fist, I made those remarks in relation to posts getting sent to Siberia, and it's true I seldom start a thread on its way to Siberia. But in this case, we are already in Siberia. Second, I really meant those remarks in a humorous way. Political humor, true, but humor nonetheless. Certainly it was political humor that was in better taste that what was witnessed recently at the White House Correspondents Dinner in D.C. I don't believe any sane person could argue that point. Of course, we have had our share of less than sane folks on BA over the years, present company excepted, of course!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 8:43:15 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence!


OCF, for someone who claims he gets political on BA only when someone on the left gets in the first shot, you seem to be getting your right-leaning beliefs in a lot without provocation lately.


Two points: Fist, I made those remarks in relation to posts getting sent to Siberia, and it's true I seldom start a thread on its way to Siberia. But in this case, we are already in Siberia. Second, I really meant those remarks in a humorous way. Political humor, true, but humor nonetheless. Certainly it was political humor that was in better taste that what was witnessed recently at the White House Correspondents Dinner in D.C. I don't believe any sane person could argue that point. Of course, we have had our share of less than sane folks on BA over the years, present company excepted, of course!


With all the pearl clutching about a comedian's off-taste jokes at the White House Correspondence Dinner from the right, you'd think they didn't just elect Donald Trump.

Also noteworthy that nobody has critiqued the substance of what Michelle Wolf said. It's just the way she said it that upset the fragile sensibility of the party who elected a guy who said all of this: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/more-appropriate-whit... .

Whatever you think of Wolf's tone, she attacked the astounding level of dishonesty in this administration. That people are more upset with her tone than they are with the President's constant lies is super telling.

Just spitballing here, but It's almost as if the Sean Hannity's and Donald Trump's of the world rally their base to get super indignant about a comedian being rude or football players kneeling because their party has lost all semblance of morality and they're desperate for a way to ensure their supporters feel they have the moral high ground.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 10:00:05 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


With all the pearl clutching about a comedian's off-taste jokes at the White House Correspondence Dinner from the right, you'd think they didn't just elect Donald Trump.

Also noteworthy that nobody has critiqued the substance of what Michelle Wolf said. It's just the way she said it that upset the fragile sensibility of the party who elected a guy who said all of this: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/more-appropriate-whit... .

Whatever you think of Wolf's tone, she attacked the astounding level of dishonesty in this administration. That people are more upset with her tone than they are with the President's constant lies is super telling.

Just spitballing here, but It's almost as if the Sean Hannity's and Donald Trump's of the world rally their base to get super indignant about a comedian being rude or football players kneeling because their party has lost all semblance of morality and they're desperate for a way to ensure their supporters feel they have the moral high ground.


"Off Taste" is one thing,but I really took offense at her jokes about abortion.

Regardless of which side of the issue you're on,its a serious subject,not something you joke about.

"Don't knock it till you've tried it" is funny ?

Also,could someone please explain what the Anderson Cooper/Mike Pence comparison was all about.
So far I haven't heard anyone figure out what she meant.

In the interest of being fair and balanced,I did think her jokes about President Trump being broke were pretty good.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 10:16:09 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
James Comey decided not to prosecute despite the evidence!


OCF, for someone who claims he gets political on BA only when someone on the left gets in the first shot, you seem to be getting your right-leaning beliefs in a lot without provocation lately.


Two points: Fist, I made those remarks in relation to posts getting sent to Siberia, and it's true I seldom start a thread on its way to Siberia. But in this case, we are already in Siberia. Second, I really meant those remarks in a humorous way. Political humor, true, but humor nonetheless. Certainly it was political humor that was in better taste that what was witnessed recently at the White House Correspondents Dinner in D.C. I don't believe any sane person could argue that point. Of course, we have had our share of less than sane folks on BA over the years, present company excepted, of course!


With all the pearl clutching about a comedian's off-taste jokes at the White House Correspondence Dinner from the right, you'd think they didn't just elect Donald Trump.

Also noteworthy that nobody has critiqued the substance of what Michelle Wolf said. It's just the way she said it that upset the fragile sensibility of the party who elected a guy who said all of this: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/more-appropriate-whit... .

Whatever you think of Wolf's tone, she attacked the astounding level of dishonesty in this administration. That people are more upset with her tone than they are with the President's constant lies is super telling.

Just spitballing here, but It's almost as if the Sean Hannity's and Donald Trump's of the world rally their base to get super indignant about a comedian being rude or football players kneeling because their party has lost all semblance of morality and they're desperate for a way to ensure their supporters feel they have the moral high ground.


Exactly, and the funniest part is that the right and some here love to hurl insults at the left, call snowflake, and tout the "honesty" of Trumps insults as an endearing feature. Yet when that same "honesty" and "speaking of the mind" is hurled against them, they have a melt-down.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 10:22:15 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


With all the pearl clutching about a comedian's off-taste jokes at the White House Correspondence Dinner from the right, you'd think they didn't just elect Donald Trump.

Also noteworthy that nobody has critiqued the substance of what Michelle Wolf said. It's just the way she said it that upset the fragile sensibility of the party who elected a guy who said all of this: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/more-appropriate-whit... .

Whatever you think of Wolf's tone, she attacked the astounding level of dishonesty in this administration. That people are more upset with her tone than they are with the President's constant lies is super telling.

Just spitballing here, but It's almost as if the Sean Hannity's and Donald Trump's of the world rally their base to get super indignant about a comedian being rude or football players kneeling because their party has lost all semblance of morality and they're desperate for a way to ensure their supporters feel they have the moral high ground.


"Off Taste" is one thing,but I really took offense at her jokes about abortion.

Regardless of which side of the issue you're on,its a serious subject,not something you joke about.

"Don't knock it till you've tried it" is funny ?

Also,could someone please explain what the Anderson Cooper/Mike Pence comparison was all about.
So far I haven't heard anyone figure out what she meant.

In the interest of being fair and balanced,I did think her jokes about President Trump being broke were pretty good.



The "Deputy Finance Chair" of the Republican party paid somebody 1.6 million dollars to have an abortion. And by putting "Deputy Finance Chair" in quotes, I want to be super clear that I'm implying there's a solid chance the payment was made on behalf of Donald Trump.

Funny that I see way less outrage about that on Hannity than I do about jokes about abortion.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Housing-gate continues
   Posted: 5/2/2018 10:47:49 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


"Off Taste" is one thing,but I really took offense at her jokes about abortion.

Regardless of which side of the issue you're on,its a serious subject,not something you joke about.

"Don't knock it till you've tried it" is funny ?

Also,could someone please explain what the Anderson Cooper/Mike Pence comparison was all about.
So far I haven't heard anyone figure out what she meant.

In the interest of being fair and balanced,I did think her jokes about President Trump being broke were pretty good.



The "Deputy Finance Chair" of the Republican party paid somebody 1.6 million dollars to have an abortion. And by putting "Deputy Finance Chair" in quotes, I want to be super clear that I'm implying there's a solid chance the payment was made on behalf of Donald Trump.

Funny that I see way less outrage about that on Hannity than I do about jokes about abortion.





If you reread my post, you'll see that it only referred to what I found offensive in Ms.Wolf's routine.

As far as your post,what other people choose to comment on,or express outrage over is up to them.

It doesn't change the fact that I find jokes about abortion to abhorrent.
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   Posted: 5/2/2018 10:57:33 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


"Off Taste" is one thing,but I really took offense at her jokes about abortion.

Regardless of which side of the issue you're on,its a serious subject,not something you joke about.

"Don't knock it till you've tried it" is funny ?

Also,could someone please explain what the Anderson Cooper/Mike Pence comparison was all about.
So far I haven't heard anyone figure out what she meant.

In the interest of being fair and balanced,I did think her jokes about President Trump being broke were pretty good.



The "Deputy Finance Chair" of the Republican party paid somebody 1.6 million dollars to have an abortion. And by putting "Deputy Finance Chair" in quotes, I want to be super clear that I'm implying there's a solid chance the payment was made on behalf of Donald Trump.

Funny that I see way less outrage about that on Hannity than I do about jokes about abortion.





If you reread my post, you'll see that it only referred to what I found offensive in Ms.Wolf's routine.

As far as your post,what other people choose to comment on,or express outrage over is up to them.

It doesn't change the fact that I find jokes about abortion to abhorrent.


You're welcome to find the jokes abhorrent. I thought it was a lazy joke and poorly structured. I'm not really of the mind that any topic is off-limits joke-wise, but I respect that people might think so and have no issue with your finding those jokes abhorrent.

But if you find the mere topic so serious that a joke about it is abhorrent, I'd think you'd find the personal attorney of Donald Trump -- an attorney with two clients -- paying a woman 1.6 million to get an abortion to be really problematic. And further, I'd think the fact that Fox News and the gang focuses on one and not the other would outline their hypocrisy to you.

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   Posted: 5/2/2018 11:52:31 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


You're welcome to find the jokes abhorrent. I thought it was a lazy joke and poorly structured. I'm not really of the mind that any topic is off-limits joke-wise, but I respect that people might think so and have no issue with your finding those jokes abhorrent.

But if you find the mere topic so serious that a joke about it is abhorrent, I'd think you'd find the personal attorney of Donald Trump -- an attorney with two clients -- paying a woman 1.6 million to get an abortion to be really problematic. And further, I'd think the fact that Fox News and the gang focuses on one and not the other would outline their hypocrisy to you.


Except in cases of rape,incest or the life of mother,I find any abortion to be problematic.

I don't watch a lot of t.v.,including Fox News,so I don't know how they handled either of these topics.

As far as hypocrisy,depending on your position on a particular topic,that term can be applied to pretty much any news broadcast.

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   Posted: 5/2/2018 12:07:06 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


You're welcome to find the jokes abhorrent. I thought it was a lazy joke and poorly structured. I'm not really of the mind that any topic is off-limits joke-wise, but I respect that people might think so and have no issue with your finding those jokes abhorrent.

But if you find the mere topic so serious that a joke about it is abhorrent, I'd think you'd find the personal attorney of Donald Trump -- an attorney with two clients -- paying a woman 1.6 million to get an abortion to be really problematic. And further, I'd think the fact that Fox News and the gang focuses on one and not the other would outline their hypocrisy to you.


As far as hypocrisy,depending on your position on a particular topic,that term can be applied to pretty much any news broadcast.



It's amazing the lengths people will go to avoid looking at things head on. The mental gymnastics it takes to get to "all news coverage is hypocritical" from "hey, the President probably paid a porn star to have an abortion" is pretty baffling.

Though, it's not at all surprising. The President's attacks on the free press have been designed to allow you to do exactly that. Turns out insisting everything bad is fake news has caught on and now a huge portion of Americans can just ignore things they don't like. Cool little country we've got here.


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   Posted: 5/2/2018 12:59:50 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


You're welcome to find the jokes abhorrent. I thought it was a lazy joke and poorly structured. I'm not really of the mind that any topic is off-limits joke-wise, but I respect that people might think so and have no issue with your finding those jokes abhorrent.

But if you find the mere topic so serious that a joke about it is abhorrent, I'd think you'd find the personal attorney of Donald Trump -- an attorney with two clients -- paying a woman 1.6 million to get an abortion to be really problematic. And further, I'd think the fact that Fox News and the gang focuses on one and not the other would outline their hypocrisy to you.


As far as hypocrisy,depending on your position on a particular topic,that term can be applied to pretty much any news broadcast.



It's amazing the lengths people will go to avoid looking at things head on. The mental gymnastics it takes to get to "all news coverage is hypocritical" from "hey, the President probably paid a porn star to have an abortion" is pretty baffling.

Though, it's not at all surprising. The President's attacks on the free press have been designed to allow you to do exactly that. Turns out insisting everything bad is fake news has caught on and now a huge portion of Americans can just ignore things they don't like. Cool little country we've got here.




"Mental Gymnastics" ?

How much more "head on" do you want then I'm opposed to abortion,except in the cases of rape,incest or the life of the mother.

I never said that all news was hypocritical.

What I said was that,depending on your position on a particular topic,,you could
say that about any news broadcast.


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   Posted: 5/2/2018 1:13:10 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


You're welcome to find the jokes abhorrent. I thought it was a lazy joke and poorly structured. I'm not really of the mind that any topic is off-limits joke-wise, but I respect that people might think so and have no issue with your finding those jokes abhorrent.

But if you find the mere topic so serious that a joke about it is abhorrent, I'd think you'd find the personal attorney of Donald Trump -- an attorney with two clients -- paying a woman 1.6 million to get an abortion to be really problematic. And further, I'd think the fact that Fox News and the gang focuses on one and not the other would outline their hypocrisy to you.


As far as hypocrisy,depending on your position on a particular topic,that term can be applied to pretty much any news broadcast.



It's amazing the lengths people will go to avoid looking at things head on. The mental gymnastics it takes to get to "all news coverage is hypocritical" from "hey, the President probably paid a porn star to have an abortion" is pretty baffling.

Though, it's not at all surprising. The President's attacks on the free press have been designed to allow you to do exactly that. Turns out insisting everything bad is fake news has caught on and now a huge portion of Americans can just ignore things they don't like. Cool little country we've got here.




"Mental Gymnastics" ?

How much more "head on" do you want then I'm opposed to abortion,except in the cases of rape,incest or the life of the mother.

I never said that all news was hypocritical.

What I said was that,depending on your position on a particular topic,,you could
say that about any news broadcast.




Can you explain how those last two things are different? So not all news is hypocritical, but you can say it is?

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   Posted: 5/3/2018 11:00:26 AM 
RP,

I wonder if you and others who have defended this president have changed your mind yet? Does the fact that his personal lawyer arranged a payment for an abortion finally change your mind? Since it's so important to you I would imagine that you will be unable to cast a vote for Trump in 2020, right? Doesn't this have to be the straw that broke the camel's back? I'm sincerely curious, because I can't fathom a professed pro-life individual voting for this man now.


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For what it's worth, were having a variation of this conversation in the FBI thread and somebody deleted it this morning. Sounds like the powers that be would prefer we not discuss this.
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DelBobcat wrote:
RP,

I wonder if you and others who have defended this president have changed your mind yet? Does the fact that his personal lawyer arranged a payment for an abortion finally change your mind? Since it's so important to you I would imagine that you will be unable to cast a vote for Trump in 2020, right? Doesn't this have to be the straw that broke the camel's back? I'm sincerely curious, because I can't fathom a professed pro-life individual voting for this man now.


Can't speak for RP.

This is an old charge: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/12/1581746/-Trum...

Isn't Trump allowed to "evolve" his views over the years? Obama's views on same-sex marriage, as was pointed out in the now deleted thread, "evolved" between his first and second term. As president The Donald has done several things to reduce the number of abortions, showing that whatever he may have done earlier he's advancing a pro-life agenda now. Don't know about RP, but for me that's what's most important.

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