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Mike Coleman
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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:10:21 PM

left lane, hammer down wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

On the surface, at least, it's not exactly a "Frank-type" hire. Frank had a better overall record and post-season record:

That 'Frank - style' statement was more toward the big league BACK to a smaller league at a point in their life ( I know Jim is younger) that they may retire at this level. No thought given to their records, or why they went back.

@ OCF...Frank was fired. He did not "come back in level" on his own.

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 11:10:56 PM by Mike Coleman

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:10:44 PM

So I'm talking myself into this, but the Evan Bradds thing has me bummed.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:13:03 PM

But can't blame Bradds for opening it up - has to see how they play. Wouldn't dismiss him "coming back."

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:14:26 PM

Question: If someone asked you, going into this search, "Would you hire the winningest coach (%) in MAC history if you could?", what would be your answer if you didn't actually research the answer?

It comes with a lot of questions and needles and pins, but it's starting to grow on me.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:15:59 PM

Sounds like Bradds was going to do this no matter who was hired if their name wasn't Ford. I'm sure JG will have to re-recruit the 2013 UI guys too if their contact isn't retained. In fact, all new coaches have to re-recruit their entire squad at the beginning.

Buckle up boys---this is going to be an eventful off season. Hot Stove League OHIO style with day-to-day drama.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:17:49 PM

Chicken George wrote:

Sounds like Bradds was going to do this no matter who was hired if their name wasn't Ford. I'm sure JG will have to re-recruit the 2013 UI guys too if their contact isn't retained. In fact, all new coaches have to re-recruit their entire squad at the beginning.

Buckle up boys---this is going to be an eventful off season. Hot Stove League OHIO style with day-to-day drama.

So were 2006 and 2008 and we kept our coach those seasons.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:18:29 PM

JSF wrote:

So I'm talking myself into this, but the Evan Bradds thing has me bummed.

Could still sign here, but me thinks major programs will get involved with this kid. He is a really good player and I don't even think JG being here would have gotten his signature on a LOI in the end.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:23:03 PM

JSF wrote:

I will say, Christian's Kent teams profile pretty closely to Groce's Ohio teams. Good defense, forces turnovers. Played slower than Groce's teams, though.

Christian's last Kent team:

TEAM STATISTICS                   KSU            
OPP   SCORING.................         2412         2165       
Points per game.......         68.9         61.9       
Scoring margin........         +7.1            -         


Groce's last Ohio team:  TEAM STATISTICS                   OHIO            
OPP SCORING..................         2604         2548   
Points per game........         74.4         72.8   
Scoring margin.........         +1.6            -

Edit: sorry for the HTML fail

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 11:24:56 PM by Mike Coleman

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:24:44 PM

$600K. The pressure is on............................

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:25:53 PM

Does anyone else think in his most recent photos he looks a little like HuggyBear?

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:28:18 PM

I'm wondering where we are getting this $?

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:28:45 PM

This has me a bit concerned. In his three years at TCU, wins went from 14 to 13 to 11. While losses increased from 17 to 19 to 22. Not exactly successful trending.

It's getting close to midnight. The day's almost over. If this is an April Fools prank, please tell us now.

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 11:32:19 PM by KC Bobcat

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:30:07 PM

Yes, I thought the same thing regarding Huggins. And if I remember correctly, he had a similar sideline demeanor. Less raw-raw and more of a hard nosed style.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:32:18 PM

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2012/4/1/2919219/opinion-why-ji...

Just some info

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:37:27 PM

RPI Metrics
Christian
2002-03...77
2003-04...84
2004-05...61
2005-06...48
2006-07...87
2007-08...25

Groce (TCU RPI)
2008-09...184 (165)
2009-10...95 (188)
2010-11...163 (208)
2011-12...45 (112)

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:38:04 PM

KC Bobcat wrote:

This has me a bit concerned. In his three years at TCU, wins went from 14 to 13 to 11. While losses increased from 17 to 19 to 22. Not exactly successful trending.

It's getting close to midnight. The day's almost over. If this is an April Fools prank, please tell us now.

Why don't you count year four? Just wondering.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:39:32 PM

ohio9704 wrote:

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2012/4/1/2919219/opinion-why-ji...

Just some info

"Also, Christian had to get out of TCU. There was no way that the program is ready to compete in the Big XII. This is a good move by him as his career would have probably been in ruins after a year facing Texas and Missouri."

Maybe someone should tell the writer that TCU will be replacing Missouri in the Big 12 next year, not facing them.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:39:55 PM

KC Bobcat wrote:

This has me a bit concerned. In his three years at TCU, wins went from 14 to 13 to 11. While losses increased from 17 to 19 to 22. Not exactly successful trending.

It's getting close to midnight. The day's almost over. If this is an April Fools prank, please tell us now.

And then 11 to 18 ....

2010-11	TCU	11–22	1-15	9th
2011–12	TCU	18-15	7-7	5th	CBI quarterfinals

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:41:53 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

KC Bobcat wrote:

This has me a bit concerned. In his three years at TCU, wins went from 14 to 13 to 11. While losses increased from 17 to 19 to 22. Not exactly successful trending.

It's getting close to midnight. The day's almost over. If this is an April Fools prank, please tell us now.

Why don't you count year four? Just wondering.

Didn't see it in his TCU bio.

http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/christian_jim00.html

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:45:55 PM

Drewbenz24 wrote:

I'm wondering where we are getting this $?

oil and gas drilling lease on OU land????

Good question for JS.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:46:18 PM

This shows how little media speculation means on a coach search. In many ways, it's not any more plugged in than what we're thinking. I seem to remember that many people on here were upset about the Groce hiring. And no, I'm not saying Christian will match what Groce did this season. Of course, there's a good chance no coach in porgram history will match what Groce did this season.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:46:55 PM

Jerry86 wrote:

KC Bobcat wrote:

This has me a bit concerned. In his three years at TCU, wins went from 14 to 13 to 11. While losses increased from 17 to 19 to 22. Not exactly successful trending.

It's getting close to midnight. The day's almost over. If this is an April Fools prank, please tell us now.

And then 11 to 18 ....

2010-11	TCU	11–22	1-15	9th
2011–12	TCU	18-15	7-7	5th	CBI quarterfinals

Thanks, that makes me feel a little better.

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:52:09 PM

Chicken George wrote:

Shocked me too, but it's growing on me.

Yeah, I don't hate it.....just struck me as odd because it was someone who I don't think was on anyone's radar.

It might be that my initial reaction was to the hiring circumstances more than anything. Kind of threw me for a loop.

I'm trying to think of a situation where a coach left to take a step up, then bailed out of that job (on his own accord), only to return to the previous conference he coached in? With a different school?

His MAC conference credentials are hard to argue with. I don't put a ton of stock in to the TCU angle some are trying to play i.e. look at _____ (fill in the blank) stat, record, etc. from his tenure there. That seems like a pretty terrible situation, from a program building perspective. I think he was really fighting an uphill battle (one that was only going to get worse as they transitioned in to playing basketball in the Big12).

Last Edited: 4/1/2012 11:55:04 PM by CATman

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:00:18 AM

Mike, where did you get those stats? Ohio scored 70.2 and allowed 62.5 per game for a margin of +7.7.

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:05:06 AM by JSF

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RE: Jim Christian

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:06:01 AM

Kind of some interesting circumstances surrounding his 3rd season at TCU (2011).

Sounds like Christian had that team turning the corner only to have it unravel due to some disciplinary issues with key players.

Quote:

On the other hand, patience may be something that Christian deserves when you take into account how empty the cupboard was after Neil Dougherty's program-destroying reign finally ended. After it looked like the Frogs might finally be turning a corner this year (remember them beating tournament-bound USC with ease on November 29?), Christian kicked two of the most talented players (Sammy Yeager and Andre Clark) off the team and indefinitely suspended his best player (Tuffy Moss)- essentially killing any shot at the postseason.

I know that we, as fans, all want W's. But doesn't it say something about Jim Christian's character that- in a season where he really needed to turn things around- he didn't compromise his sense of right and wrong just for the sake of his employment?.... article link

If nothing else, something to keep in mind when evaluating the trajectory of that program and what kind of job Christian was doing. For those that want to throw out the "look at his record" arguments....would be a little irresponsible to not keep that in mind.

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:11:06 AM by CATman

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