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  Message Not Read  What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 9:24:39 PM 

 
 
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 9:43:34 PM 
Pitt.

But they weren't Top 25 when we beat them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 10:14:23 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Pitt.

But they weren't Top 25 when we beat them.


Preseason Top 20. They were off a big 2004 season with a lot of TV coverage and won the Big East. Lost to ND in the first game of the season to knock them out of the Top 25 before we played them.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 10:26:58 PM 
For most on the this board and in chronological order, the NCAA win over Illinois State, the 1994 pre-season NIT championship, the 2010 win over Georgetown, the 2012 tournament run, and the recent victory over UVA all need to be cosidered.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 11:18:57 PM 
At the moment I'd say Pitt because it came after such a horrible 20 or so years in Ohio football history and gave us real hope for the future. We've yet to see whether the UVA win leads to good things, and it wasn't that long ago that that the basketball program achieved more.

Another game that should be considered is the 2012 win over Penn State. It gave us national exposure because of the situation at PSU and served as a springboard to our first mid-season top 25 appearance in God knows how many years, even though the season didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 11:45:45 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
At the moment I'd say Pitt because it came after such a horrible 20 or so years in Ohio football history and gave us real hope for the future. We've yet to see whether the UVA win leads to good things, and it wasn't that long ago that that the basketball program achieved more.

Another game that should be considered is the 2012 win over Penn State. It gave us national exposure because of the situation at PSU and served as a springboard to our first mid-season top 25 appearance in God knows how many years, even though the season didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped.


No, Jim Grobe had good wins, Minnesota, Hawaii, Maryland, and seasons that would have put OHIO in good Bowls if 120 teams would have went to Bowl games back then.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/26/2021 11:58:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
At the moment I'd say Pitt because it came after such a horrible 20 or so years in Ohio football history and gave us real hope for the future. We've yet to see whether the UVA win leads to good things, and it wasn't that long ago that that the basketball program achieved more.

Another game that should be considered is the 2012 win over Penn State. It gave us national exposure because of the situation at PSU and served as a springboard to our first mid-season top 25 appearance in God knows how many years, even though the season didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped.


No, Jim Grobe had good wins, Minnesota, Hawaii, Maryland, and seasons that would have put OHIO in good Bowls if 120 teams would have went to Bowl games back then.


I agree. That's why I used "or so." But any gains that Grobe made were quickly gone during Knorrmageddon.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/27/2021 1:14:29 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
For most on the this board and in chronological order, the NCAA win over Illinois State, the 1994 pre-season NIT championship, the 2010 win over Georgetown, the 2012 tournament run, and the recent victory over UVA all need to be cosidered.


Alan I drew the analogy of the UVA win to the Pitt game originally in my mind because how we pulled out a tough fought victory in both. UVA was so close to stealing it back from us and of course Pitt needed the Byrum INT to seal the deal.

I was there to watch the Georgetown win and while it was a nice win over a highly seeded team it wasn't contestable in the second half. It was a blowout on the part of Ohio.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/27/2021 1:28:40 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
At the moment I'd say Pitt because it came after such a horrible 20 or so years in Ohio football history and gave us real hope for the future. We've yet to see whether the UVA win leads to good things, and it wasn't that long ago that that the basketball program achieved more.

Another game that should be considered is the 2012 win over Penn State. It gave us national exposure because of the situation at PSU and served as a springboard to our first mid-season top 25 appearance in God knows how many years, even though the season didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped.


No, Jim Grobe had good wins, Minnesota, Hawaii, Maryland, and seasons that would have put OHIO in good Bowls if 120 teams would have went to Bowl games back then.


I agree. That's why I used "or so." But any gains that Grobe made were quickly gone during Knorrmageddon.


Quite a few upgrades during Grobe's tenure. Marketing the program as OHIO. New weight room and stadium lights. Lowered the stadium field. Significant wins, also Marshall when they were the top of the MAC in 2000. Season ticket base grew 3 fold during his time from a low starting point.

Knorr while making fans angry didn't undo the facility progress or the transition away from a pure triple option scheme under Grobe. Without a reputable passing game under Grobe no WR of any quality would sign with Ohio. Knorr uncovered converted track star Scott Mayle for the WR position. This at a time when the MAC had moved to a spread option offense and putting up big numbers. Solich was able to attract better WRs with his name on the program.

Knorr was a 4 year speed bump to progress that was starting in the 90's, IMO.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/27/2021 7:58:52 AM 
While beating Pitt was huge, especially the way it happened, it's a regular season game vs NCAA Tournament game. Personally, I think the USF game was the biggest one. Getting to the second weekend is enormous. I think the interesting thing is that that game had amazing similarities to the UVa game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/27/2021 8:33:26 AM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
At the moment I'd say Pitt because it came after such a horrible 20 or so years in Ohio football history and gave us real hope for the future. We've yet to see whether the UVA win leads to good things, and it wasn't that long ago that that the basketball program achieved more.

Another game that should be considered is the 2012 win over Penn State. It gave us national exposure because of the situation at PSU and served as a springboard to our first mid-season top 25 appearance in God knows how many years, even though the season didn't turn out as well as we'd hoped.


No, Jim Grobe had good wins, Minnesota, Hawaii, Maryland, and seasons that would have put OHIO in good Bowls if 120 teams would have went to Bowl games back then.


I agree. That's why I used "or so." But any gains that Grobe made were quickly gone during Knorrmageddon.


Quite a few upgrades during Grobe's tenure. Marketing the program as OHIO. New weight room and stadium lights. Lowered the stadium field. Significant wins, also Marshall when they were the top of the MAC in 2000. Season ticket base grew 3 fold during his time from a low starting point.

Knorr while making fans angry didn't undo the facility progress or the transition away from a pure triple option scheme under Grobe. Without a reputable passing game under Grobe no WR of any quality would sign with Ohio. Knorr uncovered converted track star Scott Mayle for the WR position. This at a time when the MAC had moved to a spread option offense and putting up big numbers. Solich was able to attract better WRs with his name on the program.

Knorr was a 4 year speed bump to progress that was starting in the 90's, IMO.


Agreed! And had many players in place when he left.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/28/2021 12:36:46 AM 
1. 2012 2nd Rd versus USF (the win got us to the sweet 16 for crying out loud)
2. 2021 1st Rd versus UVA (gritty, tough win against reigning Natl Champs)
3. 2012 1st Rd versus UM (expected to win, and did)
4. 2010 1st Rd versus Georgetown (completely unexpected, blew them out)
5. 1994 PreNIT final versus New Mexico St (won a national tournament, got us ranked - Trent went either 12 of 12 or 13 of 13 from the field - but it wasn't March)
6. Rest of the 1994 PreNIT run (Ohio St in St. John Arena, UVA at UVA and GWash in Madison Square Garden)

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somewhere much lower

Beating Pitt in football.

I'd add that some of the biggest and most exciting games could include some losses as well. UNC sweet 16 OT game has to be at or near the top for best, most important, most exciting games even though we lost. Creighton game last weekend as well.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/28/2021 1:53:57 PM 
My gast is flabbered at these votes.


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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/28/2021 4:26:57 PM 
That Pitt win seemed so much bigger at the time than it ended up being.

The memory of MAC teams getting national traction was fresh. Boise was rising. The belief that you could climb that ladder still seemed attainable. The tectonics of college football completely shifted in the next decade.

Hoops still let you get a half court shot away (2012) from being one of the last eight teams standing.

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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/28/2021 5:52:12 PM 
JSF wrote:
My gast is flabbered at these votes.


Yeah, this is pretty shocking to me.

It's weird that the same board where people are insisting that our win vs. Virginia is step one on our path to being Gonzaga of the midwest and a top 10 team next year thinks a win against a complety mediocre P5 football program is somehow bigger.

I was at that Pitt game. It was fun. But it's a sad state of affairs that our defining win as a football program was a win 16 years ago against a 5-6 Pitt team.


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   Posted: 3/28/2021 7:27:28 PM 
Seriously?? UVA easily, never would consider the Pitt win even close

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   Posted: 3/28/2021 7:32:18 PM 
A regular season win against a subpar Pitt team or an NCAA tournament win over technically the defending national champs. I mean itís not in the same league!
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/28/2021 7:42:56 PM 
Did tO$U fans accidentally stumble onto this thread?

Can't be serious.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 10:59:43 AM 
Last time I checked the win over Georgetown got us on the front page of the USA Today.

The win over Pitt got us on the front page of the Athens Messenger.

And the Virginia win was bigger than Georgetown.

How is this vote so backwards?

Pitt isn't even the biggest football win since Frank got here. Like what in the...
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 11:00:57 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
JSF wrote:
My gast is flabbered at these votes.


Yeah, this is pretty shocking to me.

It's weird that the same board where people are insisting that our win vs. Virginia is step one on our path to being Gonzaga of the midwest and a top 10 team next year thinks a win against a complety mediocre P5 football program is somehow bigger.

I was at that Pitt game. It was fun. But it's a sad state of affairs that our defining win as a football program was a win 16 years ago against a 5-6 Pitt team.




I seriously wonder how many football posters who aren't necessarily basketball fans are fuming over the basketball team getting all this press lately.
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   Posted: 3/29/2021 11:46:37 AM 
It's the symbolism of the Pitt game that gives it the edge. The home opener with a national name coach against a reigning BCS bowl team in a sellout on national TV. We had the sports-viewing community to ourselves and came out on top, symbolizing what was yet to come following decades of football ineptitude. I believed we had it in us to get to the postseason, win in the postseason, and beat P5 teams (yes, despite beating Kentucky the year before).

An apt hoops comparison would be Georgetown. That is the program-defining win of the last 35 years at minimum. I believed we would beat Michigan and USF because we beat Georgetown. Lots of outsiders picked us to beat UVA. NO ONE picked us to beat Georgetown.
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shabamon wrote:
It's the symbolism of the Pitt game that gives it the edge. The home opener with a national name coach against a reigning BCS bowl team in a sellout on national TV. We had the sports-viewing community to ourselves and came out on top, symbolizing what was yet to come following decades of football ineptitude. I believed we had it in us to get to the postseason, win in the postseason, and beat P5 teams (yes, despite beating Kentucky the year before).

An apt hoops comparison would be Georgetown. That is the program-defining win of the last 35 years at minimum. I believed we would beat Michigan and USF because we beat Georgetown. Lots of outsiders picked us to beat UVA. NO ONE picked us to beat Georgetown.


How many non-Ohio fans would know a thing about the Pitt game? It seemed like a big deal at the time but it ended up as just a bright moment in a season where we ended up with the same record as the year before. I don't think it even ranks up there with our basketball win over Buffalo in the MAC tournament six months earlier.
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shabamon wrote:
It's the symbolism of the Pitt game that gives it the edge. The home opener with a national name coach against a reigning BCS bowl team in a sellout on national TV. We had the sports-viewing community to ourselves and came out on top, symbolizing what was yet to come following decades of football ineptitude. I believed we had it in us to get to the postseason, win in the postseason, and beat P5 teams (yes, despite beating Kentucky the year before).


The Pitt win actually did very accurately symbolize what was to come. The open question is whether that's all that significant. It symbolized our ascendance from a team that was often very bad, to a team that was often better than average. I think the point folks here are making is that Football's signature win was a September game against a 5-6 P5 team. Where as the UVA game means Ohio has more wins as a 12 seed or lower than any school in history (save for Richmond, who we're tied with).


shabamon wrote:

An apt hoops comparison would be Georgetown. That is the program-defining win of the last 35 years at minimum. I believed we would beat Michigan and USF because we beat Georgetown. Lots of outsiders picked us to beat UVA. NO ONE picked us to beat Georgetown.


Right, but Michigan and USF are important wins. I think our football program's largely failed to win in the same way when it matters most.
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   Posted: 3/29/2021 1:22:31 PM 
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It's the symbolism of the Pitt game that gives it the edge. The home opener with a national name coach against a reigning BCS bowl team in a sellout on national TV. We had the sports-viewing community to ourselves and came out on top, symbolizing what was yet to come following decades of football ineptitude. I believed we had it in us to get to the postseason, win in the postseason, and beat P5 teams (yes, despite beating Kentucky the year before).

An apt hoops comparison would be Georgetown. That is the program-defining win of the last 35 years at minimum. I believed we would beat Michigan and USF because we beat Georgetown. Lots of outsiders picked us to beat UVA. NO ONE picked us to beat Georgetown.


How many non-Ohio fans would know a thing about the Pitt game? It seemed like a big deal at the time but it ended up as just a bright moment in a season where we ended up with the same record as the year before. I don't think it even ranks up there with our basketball win over Buffalo in the MAC tournament six months earlier.


It's subjective and depends on what you find significant. Whether it's a win that captures outsiders' attention or that symbolizes the program has turned a corner will determine what's bigger.
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  Message Not Read  RE: What was the bigger OU win: UVA in hoops or Pitt in football?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 2:12:18 PM 
shabamon wrote:

It's subjective and depends on what you find significant. Whether it's a win that captures outsiders' attention or that symbolizes the program has turned a corner will determine what's bigger.


I agree it is subjective but I would argue the victory that announced that we had turned the corner in football was the 2011 Potato Bowl victory over Utah State.
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