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FearLeon
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/3/2019 10:51:41 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
I thought the NCAA determines how much court time you can actually have, right? Are we not getting our set amount?


I'm gonna spell it out for you since you seem to royally miss the point of my previous 40 times of explaining this whole situation time and time again:

We only have one court for ALL of our student-athletes to use
Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Volleyball, Wrestling need to have access to it starting in October.

In addition, so does the dance team and cheerleading squads.

This doesn't include game nights, event nights, OHSAA Tournament, or anything of priority from the university to use the facility. And it doesn't include when soccer or baseball or any of our other sports wants to do session on the floor inside the gym when the Indoor Facility is booked BECAUSE IT'S NOT MANAGED BY THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT!

Time on the floor is super limited even in the offseason. This is my way of saying our players don't have a private gym like most other schools in the MAC have (hell even Kent is going to announce building one shortly). Without a facility for our players to continuously work on their games when it's not a game night, we lose critical development time that goes un-noticed, whether our players want time on a shooting gun or want to work on specific skills with a ballboy during off-times.

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


Ha...this cracks me up. I'm not sure what people don't understand about your take as well. SMH


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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/3/2019 11:01:58 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
I thought the NCAA determines how much court time you can actually have, right? Are we not getting our set amount?


I'm gonna spell it out for you since you seem to royally miss the point of my previous 40 times of explaining this whole situation time and time again:

We only have one court for ALL of our student-athletes to use
Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Volleyball, Wrestling need to have access to it starting in October.

In addition, so does the dance team and cheerleading squads.

This doesn't include game nights, event nights, OHSAA Tournament, or anything of priority from the university to use the facility. And it doesn't include when soccer or baseball or any of our other sports wants to do session on the floor inside the gym when the Indoor Facility is booked BECAUSE IT'S NOT MANAGED BY THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT!

Time on the floor is super limited even in the offseason. This is my way of saying our players don't have a private gym like most other schools in the MAC have (hell even Kent is going to announce building one shortly). Without a facility for our players to continuously work on their games when it's not a game night, we lose critical development time that goes un-noticed, whether our players want time on a shooting gun or want to work on specific skills with a ballboy during off-times.

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


I dont get it.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 8:47:34 AM 
Attended my first Convo game in two years on Saturday, and clearly EVERYONE understands the inevitability of a coaching change coming in March/April. However, I see ZERO value in making the change prior to Saul's contract running out. The players that want to be at OHIO are going to make their long term decisions AFTER they have a chance to meet the new coach, not before. And let's be frank, there is simply no chance for a MAC tourney run for this team aside from perhaps a first or second round upset.

For an athletic department that has been asked to take reductions in its support from student fees by millions of dollars over the past ten years, a $600k buyout for the final season of a coach's contract when nearly everyone loves and respects Saul, his family and their support of Athens and the University community, and when most fans genuinely hoped the program would see marked improvement in 2018/19, allowing him to earn an extension, would have been absolutely irresponsible and reckless. And extending Saul prior to the start of the season, when there were significant job results questions from the prior four years of performance, would have also been fiscally irresponsible.

It's impossible for me to not respect wanting to give Saul an opportunity to show his mettle this season, and honoring his contract term, especially when you couple that with our fiscal realities. I'd rather that $600k go to supporting all the student athletes instead of paying two sets of coaches.

There hasn't been gross negligence on Saul's part, it was simply not a good fit or perhaps it was bad career timing for Saul and OHIO. I'll wish Saul well in his future endeavors, and thank him for his commitment to OHIO over the last five years.

And let's face it, OHIO hoops is not the Gonzaga of the MAC, having won the conference title for sixteen of the last 20 years. We're a top half historical performer, get hot once every five years (ish) for some occasional success, and then revert to the mean, despite the fact that we always invest in hoops at the highest levels of the conference.

It isn't the end of the world when the program struggles occasionally, and this run stings because we had such success from '10-'12. Would it be nice to be the Gonzaga of the MAC...sure. But in over 100 years of OHIO hoops, we have never been that, and I'm OK with that. I would rather our program be known as treating its coaches and players with respect and support, not panicking at the drop of a hat, and doing our best with the resources we have.

Last Edited: 2/4/2019 9:02:48 AM by D.A.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 9:11:41 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


First off,I don't disagree about needing additional practice facilities for winter sports.
In fact,when O.U. proposed a new ice skating facility next to Ping,I thought
Bird could be "repurposed" as a winter sports practice facility.

A couple of years ago I also remember seeing a proposal for a new aquatic center.
The current one is only 35 years old.
Use that money for a winter sports practice facility.

That being said,I don't think some of your criticisms of the Walter field House are warranted.

According to O.U.'s web site,the Walter Field House has a 100 yard field,with
2,10 yard end zones.
So the field and end zones are full sized.

I know the original design did not have a "true" track.
As I recall,it was more of a rectangle,rather then an oval.
But they expanded the project and were able to include a practice track.

As far as scheduling the IPF's use,as I recall,one of the arguments made to justify an IPF was that it would be widely used.

I believe that, for O.U. to make up the "short fall" in donations for the facility's cost,the school,not the A.D. would handle scheduling.

Your post is the first time I heard of any scheduling issues with varsity teams wanting to use the IPF.

The only time I could see it happening is if a varsity team makes a last decision to use the IPF and something else is scheduled.

I don't know how often this happens,but I can't see it being that big a deal to work around.







Last Edited: 2/4/2019 9:13:41 AM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 9:12:10 AM 
Diamond Cat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Because of the trend in how basketball as a whole is marketed, how the GameDay experience is, and how anyone not donating big bucks is treated as a second class citizen more than ever in my opinion. Ohhh, and the perceived disconnect between the staff in the Convo, and the alumni base outside of Athens County.

The opportunities with alumni in Columbus, Dayton and elsewhere nearby that are left on the table are insane.

The operation as a whole feels stale and is in desperate need of new energy and fresh ideas.

All of that ultimately falls under the responsibility of the CEO of the Athletic department, right?


This is 1000% correct! As Bob Seger says - Turn the Page.



Nice song reference from a legend. Glad I'm not the only one anyway.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 9:34:40 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


First off,I don't disagree about needing additional practice facilities for winter sports.
In fact,when O.U. proposed a new ice skating facility next to Ping,I thought
Bird could be "repurposed" as a winter sports practice facility.

A couple of years ago I also remember seeing a proposal for a new aquatic center.
The current one is only 35 years old.
Use that money for a winter sports practice facility.

That being said,I don't think some of your criticisms of the Walter field House are warranted.

According to O.U.'s web site,the Walter Field House has a 100 yard field,with
2,10 yard end zones.
So the field and end zones are full sized.

I know the original design did not have a "true" track.
As I recall,it was more of a rectangle,rather then an oval.
But they expanded the project and were able to include a practice track.

As far as scheduling the IPF's use,as I recall,one of the arguments made to justify an IPF was that it would be widely used.

I believe that, for O.U. to make up the "short fall" in donations for the facility's cost,the school,not the A.D. would handle scheduling.

Your post is the first time I heard of any scheduling issues with varsity teams wanting to use the IPF.

The only time I could see it happening is if a varsity team makes a last decision to use the IPF and something else is scheduled.

I don't know how often this happens,but I can't see it being that big a deal to work around.









Next time you’re in there check out the end zones in the corners. They’re rounded off by the track at about 3 yards deep or so.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 10:00:53 AM 
D.A. wrote:
Attended my first Convo game in two years on Saturday, and clearly EVERYONE understands the inevitability of a coaching change coming in March/April. However, I see ZERO value in making the change prior to Saul's contract running out. The players that want to be at OHIO are going to make their long term decisions AFTER they have a chance to meet the new coach, not before. And let's be frank, there is simply no chance for a MAC tourney run for this team aside from perhaps a first or second round upset.

For an athletic department that has been asked to take reductions in its support from student fees by millions of dollars over the past ten years, a $600k buyout for the final season of a coach's contract when nearly everyone loves and respects Saul, his family and their support of Athens and the University community, and when most fans genuinely hoped the program would see marked improvement in 2018/19, allowing him to earn an extension, would have been absolutely irresponsible and reckless. And extending Saul prior to the start of the season, when there were significant job results questions from the prior four years of performance, would have also been fiscally irresponsible.

It's impossible for me to not respect wanting to give Saul an opportunity to show his mettle this season, and honoring his contract term, especially when you couple that with our fiscal realities. I'd rather that $600k go to supporting all the student athletes instead of paying two sets of coaches.

There hasn't been gross negligence on Saul's part, it was simply not a good fit or perhaps it was bad career timing for Saul and OHIO. I'll wish Saul well in his future endeavors, and thank him for his commitment to OHIO over the last five years.

And let's face it, OHIO hoops is not the Gonzaga of the MAC, having won the conference title for sixteen of the last 20 years. We're a top half historical performer, get hot once every five years (ish) for some occasional success, and then revert to the mean, despite the fact that we always invest in hoops at the highest levels of the conference.

It isn't the end of the world when the program struggles occasionally, and this run stings because we had such success from '10-'12. Would it be nice to be the Gonzaga of the MAC...sure. But in over 100 years of OHIO hoops, we have never been that, and I'm OK with that. I would rather our program be known as treating its coaches and players with respect and support, not panicking at the drop of a hat, and doing our best with the resources we have.


+1,000,000,000

This is it EXACTLY. Wow, D.A., thanks for posting, so nice to read something on BA that makes perfect sense to me.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 10:14:37 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


First off,I don't disagree about needing additional practice facilities for winter sports.
In fact,when O.U. proposed a new ice skating facility next to Ping,I thought
Bird could be "repurposed" as a winter sports practice facility.

A couple of years ago I also remember seeing a proposal for a new aquatic center.
The current one is only 35 years old.
Use that money for a winter sports practice facility.

That being said,I don't think some of your criticisms of the Walter field House are warranted.

According to O.U.'s web site,the Walter Field House has a 100 yard field,with
2,10 yard end zones.
So the field and end zones are full sized.

I know the original design did not have a "true" track.
As I recall,it was more of a rectangle,rather then an oval.
But they expanded the project and were able to include a practice track.

As far as scheduling the IPF's use,as I recall,one of the arguments made to justify an IPF was that it would be widely used.

I believe that, for O.U. to make up the "short fall" in donations for the facility's cost,the school,not the A.D. would handle scheduling.

Your post is the first time I heard of any scheduling issues with varsity teams wanting to use the IPF.

The only time I could see it happening is if a varsity team makes a last decision to use the IPF and something else is scheduled.

I don't know how often this happens,but I can't see it being that big a deal to work around.









Next time you’re in there check out the end zones in the corners. They’re rounded off by the track at about 3 yards deep or so.


Can you post a copy of the check you wrote to the IPF project?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 11:35:12 AM 
SBH wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

I don't know how much clearer I need to be when our facility development projects have been grossly mis-managed by our athletic department. Hell we couldn't even build an indoor facility right with full end-zones. What makes you think we can do this right under the current administration?


First off,I don't disagree about needing additional practice facilities for winter sports.
In fact,when O.U. proposed a new ice skating facility next to Ping,I thought
Bird could be "repurposed" as a winter sports practice facility.

A couple of years ago I also remember seeing a proposal for a new aquatic center.
The current one is only 35 years old.
Use that money for a winter sports practice facility.

That being said,I don't think some of your criticisms of the Walter field House are warranted.

According to O.U.'s web site,the Walter Field House has a 100 yard field,with
2,10 yard end zones.
So the field and end zones are full sized.

I know the original design did not have a "true" track.
As I recall,it was more of a rectangle,rather then an oval.
But they expanded the project and were able to include a practice track.

As far as scheduling the IPF's use,as I recall,one of the arguments made to justify an IPF was that it would be widely used.

I believe that, for O.U. to make up the "short fall" in donations for the facility's cost,the school,not the A.D. would handle scheduling.

Your post is the first time I heard of any scheduling issues with varsity teams wanting to use the IPF.

The only time I could see it happening is if a varsity team makes a last decision to use the IPF and something else is scheduled.

I don't know how often this happens,but I can't see it being that big a deal to work around.









Next time you’re in there check out the end zones in the corners. They’re rounded off by the track at about 3 yards deep or so.


Can you post a copy of the check you wrote to the IPF project?


As a grad student at the time I would love to show you what I wrote for that along with the sales and revenue I brought in to help other deficits.

if you would like send me your email and I will gladly show you my bank statement with the check to the Ohio bobcat club. And if I’m going to get that kind of attitude from down here especially when they want me to apply for the asst ad job well quite frankly I’d rather let you all pound sand
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   Posted: 2/4/2019 11:58:57 AM 
D.A. I always enjoy your posts. Principled, reasoned and with a huge helping of logic. Always devoid of the ever popular “yea but your mother wore combat boots” so prevalent on this board. Keep posting🏀
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/4/2019 1:03:56 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:


Next time you’re in there check out the end zones in the corners. They’re rounded off by the track at about 3 yards deep or so.


I looked at the pictures of the IPF on line.

Looks like they rounded the corners of the end zones to fit the practice track.

Saying they're not "full end zones" is kind of stretching a point,especially since we're not talking about a field you're gonna play a game on.

If practicing on a "full" end zone is important,you can temporally mark out end zone on the track.We do all it all the time when a track extends into an outfield for baseball or softball.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Phillips Now
   Posted: 2/5/2019 11:58:49 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:


Next time you’re in there check out the end zones in the corners. They’re rounded off by the track at about 3 yards deep or so.


I looked at the pictures of the IPF on line.

Looks like they rounded the corners of the end zones to fit the practice track.

Saying they're not "full end zones" is kind of stretching a point,especially since we're not talking about a field you're gonna play a game on.

If practicing on a "full" end zone is important,you can temporally mark out end zone on the track.We do all it all the time when a track extends into an outfield for baseball or softball.





When the weather is subpar, I'd rather practice inside and have to deal with rounded end-zones than be outside on a full sized field.

Can always count on BA to cover a whirlwind of topics on a certain thread. = )


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   Posted: 2/5/2019 12:17:58 PM 
The track is not regulation. We can't host indoor meets.

The fact that we spent $10+ million and yet couldn't muster enough funds to put in a full track is absurd.

Heck, Logan High School is building a regulation indoor track! Marietta College and lots of D3 schools throughout Ohio have one too.

IMO, that was an incredibly shortsighted decision by the university.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 12:31:59 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
The track is not regulation. We can't host indoor meets.

The fact that we spent $10+ million and yet couldn't muster enough funds to put in a full track is absurd.

Heck, Logan High School is building a regulation indoor track! Marietta College and lots of D3 schools throughout Ohio have one too.

IMO, that was an incredibly shortsighted decision by the university.


It's like we always have the right idea, but do just enough to get by.



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   Posted: 2/5/2019 12:54:48 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
A question I have for posters on this website is, do you think Ohio's AD should continue to offer the next coach a bump in salary or should he scale back the pay? Is it really necessary to offer the next coach $600,000?


While we've painfully learned that results do not always come with paying a high salary, generally speaking you get what you pay for. If you want to be in the top tier of the conference, you'd better be paying at or near the top. Nate Oats makes $600,000 before a large raft of incentives. Toledo's coach makes more than $450,000 before incentives. On the other end, NIU's coach makes $300,000 and has produced one 20-win season in eight years.

It's not a perfect predictor of performance (see: Phillips, Saul), but in general you get more if you pay more.

One can argue about the prudence of that kind of pay in times of austerity, but if you want to be a great program, you have to keep up with or surpass your league rivals in terms of resources. That starts with salary, but also includes facilities (we lack a key indoor practice court), assistant salaries and things like chartering a plane to Buffalo vs. a long snowy bus ride there and back.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 1:14:21 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
A question I have for posters on this website is, do you think Ohio's AD should continue to offer the next coach a bump in salary or should he scale back the pay? Is it really necessary to offer the next coach $600,000?


While we've painfully learned that results do not always come with paying a high salary, generally speaking you get what you pay for. If you want to be in the top tier of the conference, you'd better be paying at or near the top. Nate Oats makes $600,000 before a large raft of incentives. Toledo's coach makes more than $450,000 before incentives. On the other end, NIU's coach makes $300,000 and has produced one 20-win season in eight years.

It's not a perfect predictor of performance (see: Phillips, Saul), but in general you get more if you pay more.

One can argue about the prudence of that kind of pay in times of austerity, but if you want to be a great program, you have to keep up with or surpass your league rivals in terms of resources. That starts with salary, but also includes facilities (we lack a key indoor practice court), assistant salaries and things like chartering a plane to Buffalo vs. a long snowy bus ride there and back.


+1

If anything, is get someone on the low side and when it comes time to pony up for renewal. If you like the guy and recruiting is on the right track, then definitely continue to push the pedal that way. Too often money is driven high out of the gate versus rewarding. Not saying we should pay high, but like what Toledo did in football is similar to what mid-majors should consider doing.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 1:53:53 PM 
Not building the basketball program a practice facility always seemed like we were being insanely cheap. I know of high school athletes who have a court built in their family's house or barn and we can't put up a simple equivalent to a high school gym for our DI basketball program to use?


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   Posted: 2/5/2019 1:58:09 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
Not building the basketball program a practice facility always seemed like we were being insanely cheap. I know of high school athletes who have a court built in their family's house or barn and we can't put up a simple equivalent to a high school gym for our DI basketball program to use?


+1

I would say this, the next time a major project like this is proposed, it needs to be built off-site of the university. Built to the program's specification and "leased" for one dollar. Be a great FU to the university if that were to happen.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 3:47:57 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
The track is not regulation. We can't host indoor meets.

The fact that we spent $10+ million and yet couldn't muster enough funds to put in a full track is absurd.

Heck, Logan High School is building a regulation indoor track! Marietta College and lots of D3 schools throughout Ohio have one too.

IMO, that was an incredibly shortsighted decision by the university.


An indoor track is 200 meter,banked oval.

In fact most new indoor tracks have the ability to hydraulically adjust banks.

They have a narrow infield,so,to the best of my knowledge,the track would actually be well inside a football field.

I've designed a number of athletic fields and running tracks.

I've only seen true (200 meter) indoor tracks in stand alone facilities.

In fact Mich. just built a beauty.

As I said before,O.U. stretched their donations and budget to the limit to
be able to get an IPF with a full size football field and practice running track.
Personally,I think O.U. did a pretty good job, and most people I've talked to
when I visit the campus are quite pleased with the IPF.


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   Posted: 2/5/2019 5:32:40 PM 
Marshall built an IPF that features a full-size, regulation indoor track that hosts multiple meets per year. Other than the track size, it is virtually identical to Walter: http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/mars/graphics/chris-cline_1.jpg

Youngstown State also did the same thing: http://d21gd0ap5v1ndt.cloudfront.net/web01/img.php?src=/i...

Some quick research indicates that these MAC schools also have full-size, regulation indoor tracks that are capable of hosting meets: Akron, Kent State, Bowling Green, EMU, CMU, Ball State, WMU (granted, some are in older, track-specific facilities without football fields).

Walter is a great asset to have. But, if you're intent on being a world-class university, you shouldn't make it 95% great and not find a way to get a regulation track in there.

Having the ability to host indoor meets would do wonders for our program, and also be huge for SE Ohio. The fact that our team is planning to eventually use Logan High School's facility is absurd.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 7:15:30 PM 
Forgive me in that I know nothing regarding true facts about the logistics of this decision. All I know is the "they stretched every dollar to make it happen." Secondly, don't give me the "you should've just given them the money to make it happen." But IMO you only build Walter FH once in a generation or maybe longer. You don't, don't, don't, don't build a 4 lane half butt practice track with tight corners. You've got runners at your university, the area has no such facility, you've got ONE chance to get it right---100% in my uneducated opinion you wait it out until you can do it right. By hunch is that football pushed it not giving a lick about if the track was 1 lane, 4 lanes, or regulation and they short armed it. Too bad for every one else other than those who need turf. I just registered my son for an indoor event at Marshall where I believe they cut the indoor track event off at the first 800 athletes (I think) and there was a rush to register because it sells out very quickly annually I was told.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 7:54:56 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
Marshall built an IPF that features a full-size, regulation indoor track that hosts multiple meets per year. Other than the track size, it is virtually identical to Walter: http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/mars/graphics/chris-cline_1.jpg

Youngstown State also did the same thing: http://d21gd0ap5v1ndt.cloudfront.net/web01/img.php?src=/i...

Some quick research indicates that these MAC schools also have full-size, regulation indoor tracks that are capable of hosting meets: Akron, Kent State, Bowling Green, EMU, CMU, Ball State, WMU (granted, some are in older, track-specific facilities without football fields).

Walter is a great asset to have. But, if you're intent on being a world-class university, you shouldn't make it 95% great and not find a way to get a regulation track in there.

Having the ability to host indoor meets would do wonders for our program, and also be huge for SE Ohio. The fact that our team is planning to eventually use Logan High School's facility is absurd.


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   Posted: 2/5/2019 9:44:23 PM 
The upside to firing him now is that the new coach can start focusing on locking up recruits for next year and building relationships with the current players moving forward.

Of course the downside is that most of the top candidates won't be looking for a new job in the middle of the season. Unless we have a candidate in mind who is just chilling at home right now there really isn't any reason to move on yet.
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   Posted: 2/5/2019 11:21:40 PM 
GroverBall wrote:
D.A. wrote:
Attended my first Convo game in two years on Saturday, and clearly EVERYONE understands the inevitability of a coaching change coming in March/April. However, I see ZERO value in making the change prior to Saul's contract running out. The players that want to be at OHIO are going to make their long term decisions AFTER they have a chance to meet the new coach, not before. And let's be frank, there is simply no chance for a MAC tourney run for this team aside from perhaps a first or second round upset.

For an athletic department that has been asked to take reductions in its support from student fees by millions of dollars over the past ten years, a $600k buyout for the final season of a coach's contract when nearly everyone loves and respects Saul, his family and their support of Athens and the University community, and when most fans genuinely hoped the program would see marked improvement in 2018/19, allowing him to earn an extension, would have been absolutely irresponsible and reckless. And extending Saul prior to the start of the season, when there were significant job results questions from the prior four years of performance, would have also been fiscally irresponsible.

It's impossible for me to not respect wanting to give Saul an opportunity to show his mettle this season, and honoring his contract term, especially when you couple that with our fiscal realities. I'd rather that $600k go to supporting all the student athletes instead of paying two sets of coaches.

There hasn't been gross negligence on Saul's part, it was simply not a good fit or perhaps it was bad career timing for Saul and OHIO. I'll wish Saul well in his future endeavors, and thank him for his commitment to OHIO over the last five years.

And let's face it, OHIO hoops is not the Gonzaga of the MAC, having won the conference title for sixteen of the last 20 years. We're a top half historical performer, get hot once every five years (ish) for some occasional success, and then revert to the mean, despite the fact that we always invest in hoops at the highest levels of the conference.

It isn't the end of the world when the program struggles occasionally, and this run stings because we had such success from '10-'12. Would it be nice to be the Gonzaga of the MAC...sure. But in over 100 years of OHIO hoops, we have never been that, and I'm OK with that. I would rather our program be known as treating its coaches and players with respect and support, not panicking at the drop of a hat, and doing our best with the resources we have.


+1,000,000,000

This is it EXACTLY. Wow, D.A., thanks for posting, so nice to read something on BA that makes perfect sense to me.


I double down on the +'s to D.A's post. +2B


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   Posted: 2/6/2019 6:59:06 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
catfan28 wrote:
Marshall built an IPF that features a full-size, regulation indoor track that hosts multiple meets per year. Other than the track size, it is virtually identical to Walter: http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/mars/graphics/chris-cline_1.jpg

Youngstown State also did the same thing: http://d21gd0ap5v1ndt.cloudfront.net/web01/img.php?src=/i...

Some quick research indicates that these MAC schools also have full-size, regulation indoor tracks that are capable of hosting meets: Akron, Kent State, Bowling Green, EMU, CMU, Ball State, WMU (granted, some are in older, track-specific facilities without football fields).

Walter is a great asset to have. But, if you're intent on being a world-class university, you shouldn't make it 95% great and not find a way to get a regulation track in there.

Having the ability to host indoor meets would do wonders for our program, and also be huge for SE Ohio. The fact that our team is planning to eventually use Logan High School's facility is absurd.


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According to their web sites,the tracks at both Youngstown State and Marshall are both 300 meters.
O.U.'s is 316 meters.
So it must its "shape" that is an issue.

As far being "official",I don't what the rules are for hosting indoor track meets.
But as I've posted,an "official" indoor track is a 200 meter,banked oval.

Having a regulation track would have been great,but where does the money come from ?

O.U.'s intention was to build the IPF, solely with donations.
Based on the money they raised,the original design had a track that was pretty much a rectangle.

If I remember correctly,O.U. provided additional money to expand the building to put in a practice track.

Maybe if more people had been willing to donate they could have put in a regulation track.
But,obviously,Alums,fans etc. didn't consider donating to the project a priority.


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