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He was about the only one putting ball in basket. Again, if we shoot 25% as a team, how many assists can you really rack up? I'm not justifying such an upside-down ratio, but to blame TK for all of these issues is really missing the big picture. Basketball is still a team game. Nobody is putting all the blame on him and saying it's his fault for what has transpired this season. However, you can't get around it....the numbers are truly hard to fathom. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/20/2019 4:02:02 PM  FearLeon wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: TK was aggressive Saturday and actually played one of his best games in a while. He was about the only one putting ball in basket. Again, if we shoot 25% as a team, how many assists can you really rack up? I'm not justifying such an upside-down ratio, but to blame TK for all of these issues is really missing the big picture. Basketball is still a team game. Nobody is putting all the blame on him and saying it's his fault for what has transpired this season. However, you can't get around it....the numbers are truly hard to fathom. Here's an easy place to see the numbers. The regression in the numbers is a little startling. Of course there could be several reasons for the regression. It's hard to explain the FT% though. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/teyvion-kirk... Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,116 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/20/2019 4:50:59 PM  OU_Country wrote: FearLeon wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: TK was aggressive Saturday and actually played one of his best games in a while. He was about the only one putting ball in basket. Again, if we shoot 25% as a team, how many assists can you really rack up? I'm not justifying such an upside-down ratio, but to blame TK for all of these issues is really missing the big picture. Basketball is still a team game. Nobody is putting all the blame on him and saying it's his fault for what has transpired this season. However, you can't get around it....the numbers are truly hard to fathom. Here's an easy place to see the numbers. The regression in the numbers is a little startling. Of course there could be several reasons for the regression. It's hard to explain the FT% though. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/teyvion-kirk... It's just mind boggling. He can't run the show next year...can't. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top longtiimelurker General User Member Since: 2/2/2017 Post Count: 587 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/21/2019 12:22:53 PM  FearLeon wrote: It's just mind boggling. He can't run the show next year...can't. Chuckles, do you really think that will be a choice? Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,116 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/21/2019 12:32:16 PM  longtiimelurker wrote: FearLeon wrote: It's just mind boggling. He can't run the show next year...can't. Chuckles, do you really think that will be a choice? Well...it should have ended a long time ago with him running the point...but here we still are. Give the ball to Preston and see what he can do running the show. You have nothing to lose. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/21/2019 2:30:43 PM  FearLeon wrote: longtiimelurker wrote: FearLeon wrote: It's just mind boggling. He can't run the show next year...can't. Chuckles, do you really think that will be a choice? Well...it should have ended a long time ago with him running the point...but here we still are. Give the ball to Preston and see what he can do running the show. You have nothing to lose. My hope is that if TK is still around, the next guy in line will realize he's not the man to be the PG. He doesn't really have the outside shot to be a 2, but he could be a 3. All of his best skills (getting to the hoop, rebounding, etc) resemble a 3 anyway. He would be undersized at that position though. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 2/21/2019 2:44:52 PM  GoCats105 wrote: FearLeon wrote: longtiimelurker wrote: FearLeon wrote: It's just mind boggling. He can't run the show next year...can't. Chuckles, do you really think that will be a choice? Well...it should have ended a long time ago with him running the point...but here we still are. Give the ball to Preston and see what he can do running the show. You have nothing to lose. My hope is that if TK is still around, the next guy in line will realize he's not the man to be the PG. He doesn't really have the outside shot to be a 2, but he could be a 3. All of his best skills (getting to the hoop, rebounding, etc) resemble a 3 anyway. He would be undersized at that position though. +1 Great points! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,695 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 3/2/2019 7:30:29 PM  Well guys...it finally happened. For the first time in 22 games, TK had more assists (3) than turnovers (1) today. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 3/2/2019 11:36:37 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Well guys...it finally happened. For the first time in 22 games, TK had more assists (3) than turnovers (1) today. Huzzah, Huzzah! Let's start a new streak TK! Last Edited: 3/2/2019 11:37:07 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,695 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 3/16/2021 11:05:47 AM  I was just thinking about what could've been if Jason Preston was given more PG opportunities as a freshman and had to go back and find this thread. Ignore the spirited rabbit trail debating what level of critique is acceptable, but note all the countless calls made to let JP run the point. I can't completely fault Saul given how little experience Preston had. In some ways, you actually have to credit Saul for recognizing enough potential to give 29 minutes per game to a freshman who barely had a high school career. On the other hand, by February after seeing data like this on your point guard as the team is reeling and your job in jeopardy, how do you possibly not make a switch there? Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 3/16/2021 11:11:42 AM  I was right there with Saul. I just didn’t see how a guy who played at such a glacial pace could be your point guard. I was entranced by Kirk’s athleticism. And then we see a guy like Luka Doncic become a superstar by playing the game at his own pace. The thing that I thought was Preston’s weakness was actually his strength. It’s what makes him impossible to keep out of the lane, that incredible use of his body and the vision and passing skills to perfectly complement it. I’m an idiot, is what I’m saying. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: TK-O-Meter    Posted: 3/16/2021 12:09:41 PM  The guys on ESPN called Preston's style "making the game look easier than it is." We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. 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