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Seems like an odd time to run it. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 9:25:47 AM  The student who wrote this article did an outstanding job - outstanding. http://projects.thepostathens.com/SpecialProjects/saul-ph... Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,504 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 9:31:36 AM  Alan Swank wrote: The student who wrote this article did an outstanding job - outstanding. http://projects.thepostathens.com/SpecialProjects/saul-ph... I agree about the quality of the article. My question is why now ? This seems like the type of article you put out at the start of the season,not more than a month after our season ended. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 10:47:12 AM  Agree on both points rp. Seems like this is an article that would have been perfect to release on that first weekend students return in January. Regardless, great work and a good story. Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,421 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 11:11:42 AM  Excellent article, great background work.....very well done! "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top Broomball @ Midnight! General User Member Since: 4/3/2014 Location: Jacksonville, FL Post Count: 84 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 1:10:43 PM  The timing makes perfect sense... for student journalist. The semester is winding down and that is probably the hard deadline for completion and publishing. The writing is only one aspect for this project. The multimedia design involves photos, animation, graphic design, coding, and the often overlooked making the piece adaptive to display properly on numerous user devises, platforms and screen sizes. You just got lesson number one: don't think; it can only hurt the ball club. - Crash Davis (1988) BS Ohio '88 - MA Florida '92 - PhD Florida '10 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 3:46:33 PM  Alan Swank wrote: The student who wrote this article did an outstanding job - outstanding. It feels like an excerpt from a book. Very well done. Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,794 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley reporting that Saul was not extended    Posted: 4/13/2018 3:50:17 PM  oldkatz wrote: Excellent article, great background work.....very well done! I concur, sir! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 9:18:47 AM  allen wrote: Bobcat Debate 73 wrote: demand Immediate gratification result in bad results and mistakes! OHIO deserves character, experience, quality! We have that in Saul! Please extend! This is head over heels love. Saul has to produce, he has to show that he can recruit or else we will be in the dumpster. We gave him the big contract to win, there are a lot of people with good character that would take 300k per year to lose. Last year was a wash, he got a gift with two people leaving, now he needs to capitalize. Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,854 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 10:02:39 AM  The bottom line here is that Saul is done, unless, and only unless, we win the MAC Title next year AND the nucleus of the team returns. Saul knew when he took this job he was real lucky which was why he always stated he was here for the long term. He went from a salary of less that $250k per to over $500k per. Time for him to realize that this job was too big a project for him to be a success. GO BOBCATS Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 10:18:49 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. His contract is massive for a MAC coach. Consider that Rob Senderoff just got bumped up to $385,000. Unlike SP, he has a winning conference record, has taken his team to the NCAA Tournament and has won division titles. Or look at Nate Oats, who only just passed SP to be the highest-paid MAC coach after winning a tournament game and nailing down the best recruiting class this conference has seen in many years. All that in the broader context of an athletic department that loses money and you have to be a bit nuts to say he doesn't have a very big contract. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 10:54:36 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. His contract is massive for a MAC coach. Consider that Rob Senderoff just got bumped up to $385,000. Unlike SP, he has a winning conference record, has taken his team to the NCAA Tournament and has won division titles. Or look at Nate Oats, who only just passed SP to be the highest-paid MAC coach after winning a tournament game and nailing down the best recruiting class this conference has seen in many years. All that in the broader context of an athletic department that loses money and you have to be a bit nuts to say he doesn't have a very big contract. Did you see the numbers from the Plain Dealer article? The average compensation of the Ohio MAC schools for men's basketball coach is 560,711 and Saul is making 75k above that number. A big men's basketball salary is $2 million a year for a mid major. That is when you are paying to compete at the highest levels of men's basketball. Saul is paid about at the G5 median salary. Akron $715,848 Ohio $635,194 Toledo $576,961 Kent $538,458 BG $479,664 Miami $418,501 http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/04/75b2bda3ed/mon... Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 11:06:44 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. His contract is massive for a MAC coach. Consider that Rob Senderoff just got bumped up to $385,000. Unlike SP, he has a winning conference record, has taken his team to the NCAA Tournament and has won division titles. Or look at Nate Oats, who only just passed SP to be the highest-paid MAC coach after winning a tournament game and nailing down the best recruiting class this conference has seen in many years. All that in the broader context of an athletic department that loses money and you have to be a bit nuts to say he doesn't have a very big contract. Did you see the numbers from the Plain Dealer article? The average compensation of the Ohio MAC schools for men's basketball coach is 560,711 and Saul is making 75k above that number. A big men's basketball salary is $2 million a year for a mid major. That is when you are paying to compete at the highest levels of men's basketball. Saul is paid about at the G5 median salary. Akron $715,848 Ohio $635,194 Toledo $576,961 Kent $538,458 BG $479,664 Miami $418,501 http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/04/75b2bda3ed/mon... He needs to produce next year. 635k is a lot for an average to below average showing. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 11:35:48 AM  allen wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. His contract is massive for a MAC coach. Consider that Rob Senderoff just got bumped up to $385,000. Unlike SP, he has a winning conference record, has taken his team to the NCAA Tournament and has won division titles. Or look at Nate Oats, who only just passed SP to be the highest-paid MAC coach after winning a tournament game and nailing down the best recruiting class this conference has seen in many years. All that in the broader context of an athletic department that loses money and you have to be a bit nuts to say he doesn't have a very big contract. Did you see the numbers from the Plain Dealer article? The average compensation of the Ohio MAC schools for men's basketball coach is 560,711 and Saul is making 75k above that number. A big men's basketball salary is $2 million a year for a mid major. That is when you are paying to compete at the highest levels of men's basketball. Saul is paid about at the G5 median salary. Akron $715,848 Ohio $635,194 Toledo $576,961 Kent $538,458 BG $479,664 Miami $418,501 http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/04/75b2bda3ed/mon... He needs to produce next year. 635k is a lot for an average to below average showing. FWIW, Saul is above .500 at Ohio. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 1:41:54 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: allen wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Saul doesn't have that big of a contract. His contract is massive for a MAC coach. Consider that Rob Senderoff just got bumped up to $385,000. Unlike SP, he has a winning conference record, has taken his team to the NCAA Tournament and has won division titles. Or look at Nate Oats, who only just passed SP to be the highest-paid MAC coach after winning a tournament game and nailing down the best recruiting class this conference has seen in many years. All that in the broader context of an athletic department that loses money and you have to be a bit nuts to say he doesn't have a very big contract. Did you see the numbers from the Plain Dealer article? The average compensation of the Ohio MAC schools for men's basketball coach is 560,711 and Saul is making 75k above that number. A big men's basketball salary is $2 million a year for a mid major. That is when you are paying to compete at the highest levels of men's basketball. Saul is paid about at the G5 median salary. Akron $715,848 Ohio $635,194 Toledo $576,961 Kent $538,458 BG $479,664 Miami $418,501 http://www.cleveland.com/expo/erry-2018/04/75b2bda3ed/mon... He needs to produce next year. 635k is a lot for an average to below average showing. FWIW, Saul is above .500 at Ohio. We have a standard and 500 is not the standard. I hope that he has a great year and retains his job. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,042 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 2:06:45 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: FWIW, Saul is above .500 at Ohio. Above .500 overall or above .500 in MAC games? I don't put much into a .500 record (or a little bit north of .500) overall when taking into account our typical schedule. Last Edited: 4/14/2018 2:08:26 PM by bobcatsquared Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 5:56:48 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: FWIW, Saul is above .500 at Ohio. Above .500 overall or above .500 in MAC games? I don't put much into a .500 record (or a little bit north of .500) overall when taking into account our typical schedule. Dale Bandy with Spindle Graves on crutches could have gone .500 with our most recent schedules. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 795 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/14/2018 8:58:43 PM  "The bottom line here is that Saul is done, unless, and only unless, we win the MAC Title next year AND the nucleus of the team returns. Saul knew when he took this job he was real lucky which was why he always stated he was here for the long term. He went from a salary of less that $250k per to over $500k per. Time for him to realize that this job was too big a project for him to be a success." GO BOBCATS I wouldn't bet the farm on Saul being gone next season. A league title won't be necessary. Win more than 20 and perform well in Cleveland. That will allow him some more time in Athens. Our current AD won't be in a hurry to send him packing. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: OHIO would be very sortsighited in not going all in on Saul! Those who    Posted: 4/15/2018 9:28:19 AM  Bobcat1996 wrote: "The bottom line here is that Saul is done, unless, and only unless, we win the MAC Title next year AND the nucleus of the team returns. Saul knew when he took this job he was real lucky which was why he always stated he was here for the long term. He went from a salary of less that $250k per to over $500k per. Time for him to realize that this job was too big a project for him to be a success." GO BOBCATS I wouldn't bet the farm on Saul being gone next season. A league title won't be necessary. Win more than 20 and perform well in Cleveland. That will allow him some more time in Athens. Our current AD won't be in a hurry to send him packing. I hate to say it, but if there's no MAC Title, then the nucleus slated to return in 2019-2020 better show some serious steps towards progress. Trust me I'm a supporter of Saul, but the attendance problems are going to come into that math. 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