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Mike Johnson
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just wondering

Posted: 3/16/2018 7:41:30 PM

Just wondering if any member of the NCAA Selection Committee ever feels a sense of shame for their at-large picks?

When the committee chair explained the selection of Oklahoma, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of viewers were thinking: What a load of crap?

Result: As in most past years, results so far tend to cast a rather dark cloud over committee members choices. Examples:
* Rhode Island tops Power 6 Oklahoma - now 18-14.
* Nevada comes from 14 down to Power 6 Texas and wins. Texas now 19-15.
* Buffalo thrashes Power 6 Arizona.
* Loyola tops Power 6 Miami.
* Butler rips Power 6 Arkansas.
* St. Bonnie tops Power 6 UCLA.
* UMBC dismantles Power 6 #1 VA.
* Loyola tops Power 6 TN
* Gonzaga takes Power 6 OSU
* Nevada comes from 22 down to top #2 Cincy.

One might wonder what would happen during the regular season if Power 6 teams played more neutral court games against the "mids."

Meanwhile Middle Tenn and St. Mary's watch with understandable disgust.

Last Edited: 3/19/2018 3:28:22 PM by Mike Johnson

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/16/2018 9:28:25 PM

I kind of thought the Power conferences seemed to have more of their teams in than ever this year. THe mids seemed to get passed over pretty well for a variety of well known and much discussed reasons

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 12:49:07 AM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Just wondering if any member of the NCAA Selection Committee ever feels a sense of shame for their at-large picks?

When the committee chair explained the selection of Oklahoma, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of viewers were thinking: What a load of crap?

Result: As in most past years, results so far tend to cast a rather dark cloud over committee members choices. Examples:
* Rhode Island tops Power 6 Oklahoma - now 18-14.
* Nevada comes from 14 down to Power 6 Texas and wins. Texas now 19-15.
* Buffalo thrashes Power 6 Miami.
* Loyola tops Power 6 Tennessee.
* Butler rips Power 6 Arkansas.
* St. Bonnie tops Power 6 UCLA.
* UMBC dismantles Power 6 VA.

One might wonder what would happen during the regular season if Power 6 teams played more neutral court games against the "mids."

Meanwhile Middle Tenn and St. Mary's watch with understandable disgust.

I�m going to say NO, as Borna posted earlier, their is a formula that they go by, members of the committee have very little say. This is more like the Oscars, here is your Swag Bag, and this is how things will roll.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 9:58:34 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:

Just wondering if any member of the NCAA Selection Committee ever feels a sense of shame for their at-large picks?

When the committee chair explained the selection of Oklahoma, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of viewers were thinking: What a load of crap?

Result: As in most past years, results so far tend to cast a rather dark cloud over committee members choices. Examples:
* Rhode Island tops Power 6 Oklahoma - now 18-14.
* Nevada comes from 14 down to Power 6 Texas and wins. Texas now 19-15.
* Buffalo thrashes Power 6 Miami.
* Loyola tops Power 6 Tennessee.
* Butler rips Power 6 Arkansas.
* St. Bonnie tops Power 6 UCLA.
* UMBC dismantles Power 6 VA.

One might wonder what would happen during the regular season if Power 6 teams played more neutral court games against the "mids."

Meanwhile Middle Tenn and St. Mary's watch with understandable disgust.

They have all the say in the world because they developed the formula which by almost any measure is deeply flawed.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 10:25:08 AM

I'm not a Vols fan, I was pulling for Loyola-Chicago. If you are not familiar with their history... Jerry Bruckheimer only had it somewhat accurate with the film Glory Road... See what Loyola did 3 season before Don Haskins and Texas Western's great win over UK's "honky cats"

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/game-of-change-loyola... /

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However, even though I am thrilled with the win for Loyola, who out there thinks the little orange ut vols didn't deserve an at-large bid?

ESPN ranked their PBI at #14 and strength of schedule at #9
KenPom had them as the #11 team in the nation

I don't even allow anything orange in my house, but I want to know if there is even one person who says they were undeserving of a at-large bid.

Keep in mind that UK beat Buffalo by 20 and that ut beat Wright State by 50 or whatever it was... thus the day of total superiority by mid-majors has not yet arrived.

(and yes, I was in the second row behind Ohio's bench when they beat Michigan here in 2012)

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 10:29:28 AM by greencat

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 1:27:31 PM

greencat wrote:

. . . See what Loyola did 3 season before Don Haskins and Texas Western's great win over UK's "honky cats."

And don't forget OHIO's resounding 85-69 victory of those same "honky cats" a few seasons before that defeat in the championship game. OHIO had an integrated team. I like to say that we had a starting team that was one half white and one half black as the two forwards were black (Hilt and Haley), the center was white (Storey), one guard (Gill) was white, and the other guard was mixed-race (Jackson). So. 2.5 black and 2.5 white! ;-) At the time I was very proud of that fact, and I still am!

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 1:46:59 PM

I think "sense of shame" gets checked at the door.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 2:50:38 PM

greencat wrote:

Tennessee was a 3 seed. Why would anyone think they didn't deserve an at-large bid? What even are you talking about.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 4:05:08 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

greencat wrote:

Tennessee was a 3 seed. Why would anyone think they didn't deserve an at-large bid? What even are you talking about.

I'm talking about the laundry list of upsets in the original post which implied those teams that went down in flames didn't deserve to have been invited.

Hey, I was right behind Ohio's bench when they eliminated Michigan. My daughter graduated from a college 12 miles from my house that eliminated Michigan State and Minnesota not long ago. I know about parity and how competent and legit mid-major athletes can be. But the original post was a bit overboard.

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 4:06:06 PM by greencat

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 4:08:53 PM

greencat wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

greencat wrote:

Tennessee was a 3 seed. Why would anyone think they didn't deserve an at-large bid? What even are you talking about.

I'm talking about the laundry list of upsets in the original post which implied those teams that went down in flames didn't deserve to have been invited.

Hey, I was right behind Ohio's bench when they eliminated Michigan. My daughter graduated from a college 12 miles from my house that eliminated Michigan State and Minnesota not long ago. I know about parity and how competent mid-major athletes can be. But the original post was a bit overboard.

The original post never suggested that the losing teams didn't deserve to be in the tournament. What he was saying was that under-seeded mid-majors have a history of upsetting Power Conference schools when given the chance. Because of these results some Mid-majors who were snubbed (Like MTSU and St. Mary's) deserved more benefit of the doubt from the committee.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 7:05:53 PM

I look at the women's side.

Both MAC teams got out of their games as 11 seeds even though they had gaudy numbers for their RPI. Should have been an 8th seed at worst. Not only that, when you have the #7 rated conference, I think you warrant more looks than two teams

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/18/2018 7:15:56 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

Agree

I heard we were just a smidge out of having a third team.

I think the majors will wake up to the underseeding if they continue to get beat. Not sure what else you can do but play and win.

It is enlightening to see what things would look like if the boys....oops...men's side opened up and went on the road similar to their counterpart....but that is not what the big boys want to happen.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/19/2018 9:32:05 AM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Just wondering if any member of the NCAA Selection Committee ever feels a sense of shame for their at-large picks?

When the committee chair explained the selection of Oklahoma, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of viewers were thinking: What a load of crap?

Result: As in most past years, results so far tend to cast a rather dark cloud over committee members choices. Examples:
* Rhode Island tops Power 6 Oklahoma - now 18-14.
* Nevada comes from 14 down to Power 6 Texas and wins. Texas now 19-15.
* Buffalo thrashes Power 6 Miami.
* Loyola tops Power 6 Tennessee.
* Butler rips Power 6 Arkansas.
* St. Bonnie tops Power 6 UCLA.
* UMBC dismantles Power 6 VA.
* Loyola tops Power 6 TN
* Gonzaga takes Power 6 OSU

One might wonder what would happen during the regular season if Power 6 teams played more neutral court games against the "mids."

Meanwhile Middle Tenn and St. Mary's watch with understandable disgust.

I wonder (assume) all the time what would happen if the Power 6 teams left their friendly confines to play mids. It happened this weekend, and it would happen during the OOC season if they were ever required to schedule more equally. The margin in college hoops between a good mid-major team, and an average P6 team isn't that big.

Only flaws I see above: Butler is truly a P6 team as well. I personally no longer consider Gonzaga to be a mid-major.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/19/2018 5:25:49 PM

OU_Country wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:

Just wondering if any member of the NCAA Selection Committee ever feels a sense of shame for their at-large picks?

When the committee chair explained the selection of Oklahoma, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of viewers were thinking: What a load of crap?

Result: As in most past years, results so far tend to cast a rather dark cloud over committee members choices. Examples:
* Rhode Island tops Power 6 Oklahoma - now 18-14.
* Nevada comes from 14 down to Power 6 Texas and wins. Texas now 19-15.
* Buffalo thrashes Power 6 Miami.
* Loyola tops Power 6 Tennessee.
* Butler rips Power 6 Arkansas.
* St. Bonnie tops Power 6 UCLA.
* UMBC dismantles Power 6 VA.
* Loyola tops Power 6 TN
* Gonzaga takes Power 6 OSU

One might wonder what would happen during the regular season if Power 6 teams played more neutral court games against the "mids."

Meanwhile Middle Tenn and St. Mary's watch with understandable disgust.

Could there be more OOC "classics" instead of an ACC-Big 10 showdown on a neutral court that pits these two classes of teams against each other?

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/19/2018 9:35:19 PM

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Could there be more OOC "classics" instead of an ACC-Big 10 showdown on a neutral court that pits these two classes of teams against each other?

I think part of the reason these don't happen is the same reason that Bracketbusters went away. It did more to hurt the losers than it did to help the winners. The winners still don't have a win against a Power 6 team, while the loser has another mid-major loss. The only way to really even things up is to get more games (neutral and home) with the Big 6.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/20/2018 9:53:42 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Could there be more OOC "classics" instead of an ACC-Big 10 showdown on a neutral court that pits these two classes of teams against each other?

You highlight something that I think would be useful for schools not in the P6 to consider: reinstating something like the Bracketbusters. Reorganize the OOC schedules to allow for a 10-day gap at the end of January to allow for two games matching up the teams to give them 2 more games against potential Q1/Q2 teams. Manipulate the schedule based on what you're given. Schedule the first two conference games for the first weeks of December before finals when students are present. Make Dad's weekend the first home Saturday game across all of the MAC while students are present and get butts in the seats early in the season. If you're Ohio, Offer Dads/Moms a discounted season ticket at orientation, and at Parent's Weekend in football season. Hit up every single person through the door at Peden, and canvass the tailgate lots beforehand talking to people about coming back for basketball. Get a "parents weekend" in The Convo in February. Get creative.

It's also time to get creative if you're in the MAC offices in Cleveland, and get your teams better games. Ditch two of the "required" 8 home OOC games, and require everyone to schedule two games between themselves and a forecasted RPI top 150 team on the road, unless they can get that game at home.

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RE: just wondering

Posted: 3/20/2018 10:30:59 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

OhioStunter wrote:

Could there be more OOC "classics" instead of an ACC-Big 10 showdown on a neutral court that pits these two classes of teams against each other?

I don't think there's much to lose. If the mid-major teams like St. Mary's are already getting bypassed for an at-large bid, give them a chance to beat a P6 school on a neutral court to make a statement. If more of those teams beat P6 teams on neutral courts, maybe, just maybe, it could push a few teams into the tournament. The problem with Bracketbusters is that it pitted two mid-major teams against each other at one team's court, which was a big disadvantage for the road team who was already on the bubble.

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