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   Posted: 9/1/2017 12:55:20 PM 
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.

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   Posted: 9/1/2017 1:13:39 PM 
allen wrote:
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.


Not sure why you find the original story so hard to believe. It's this blind allegiance by fans that has allowed various practices in college athletics to get out of hand. I saw this quote in a newspaper article back in April that sums this up very well. "But when something no longer provokes remark, it becomes unremarkable, and the road from there to acceptance is a short one."
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   Posted: 9/1/2017 1:24:00 PM 
OUVan wrote:


Just wondering but what does a typical D1 football and/or basketball player's weekly schedule look like for the activities related to their sport?



I don't know about football/basketball but, when I wrestled,my "in season" schedule ,which went from around October 1 to the NCAA Championships in March, was something like this:

This is based on having matches on most Tuesdays and every Saturday.

M-W-F 6:30 am - 8:00 am Lift

Tues/Thurs. (Except Match days) 6:30 -7:30 Conditioning (Usually running)

Tues Morning (match days) Weigh -In (run,jump rope or sit in a whirlpool in a "rubber suit" if you need to make weight)

M-F (Except for match days) 2:00-3:00 PM 3 Mile pre-practice run

M-F (Except match days) 3:30-6:00 Practice

Sat. (See Tuesday)

Sun. "relaxing " run

Morning workouts were truly voluntary and not supervised by the coaching staff.We did it to try and get an "edge" on the mat

Most nights trying to find the energy to study was a challenge,especially when you're dieting to stay close to your weight.

What really created problems were away matches,especially overnight trips.
That meant losing class time,trying to convince professors to let you reschedule exams (before or after)and studying.

I for one could not read on a bus.

Before anyone asks how I can remember this,I kept a log of every workout,practice,match.

Still have them and I still keep a log for all my workouts.



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   Posted: 9/3/2017 12:00:06 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.


Not sure why you find the original story so hard to believe. It's this blind allegiance by fans that has allowed various practices in college athletics to get out of hand. I saw this quote in a newspaper article back in April that sums this up very well. "But when something no longer provokes remark, it becomes unremarkable, and the road from there to acceptance is a short one."



The coaches are infallible with this clown until they play the wrong person in his mind.
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   Posted: 9/3/2017 4:41:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.


Not sure why you find the original story so hard to believe. It's this blind allegiance by fans that has allowed various practices in college athletics to get out of hand. I saw this quote in a newspaper article back in April that sums this up very well. "But when something no longer provokes remark, it becomes unremarkable, and the road from there to acceptance is a short one."



The coaches are infallible with this clown until they play the wrong person in his mind.


you just need to go ahead cry it out. I questioned the coaching in the past. Now, I am a clown that thinks that the coaches are infallible. I just don't believe the coaches, especially the head coach told a walkon to switch their major if they want to play. That is pretty rational, seeing that we have had athletes start on our football team and move on to the NFL who did not major in specialized studies. Billy the cat, we have had our battles in the past and I see you are still seething with anger, I will not respond in kind by calling you a name, you probably call yourself all types of names. God bless you.

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   Posted: 9/3/2017 4:43:53 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.


Not sure why you find the original story so hard to believe. It's this blind allegiance by fans that has allowed various practices in college athletics to get out of hand. I saw this quote in a newspaper article back in April that sums this up very well. "But when something no longer provokes remark, it becomes unremarkable, and the road from there to acceptance is a short one."



The coaches are infallible with this clown until they play the wrong person in his mind.


Is it really irritating enough that we have to result to name calling? With some of Monroe's crap I understand it was at that level. I'm not seeing it with allen.

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   Posted: 9/3/2017 11:53:27 PM 
allen wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
allen wrote:
Yeah the prized recruit that did not get a scholarship. I hear that he was a 5'7" 210 pound center, FS wanted to get him on a cybergenics program, he was projected to fill out at 5'9" 250, the kid could have been a great one. FS had the dean and the president in his office, and the president said thank you for the turnout. He had a special studies hat on and everything and the kid full of courage said no and is currently on course to be a doctor and a lawyer.


Not sure why you find the original story so hard to believe. It's this blind allegiance by fans that has allowed various practices in college athletics to get out of hand. I saw this quote in a newspaper article back in April that sums this up very well. "But when something no longer provokes remark, it becomes unremarkable, and the road from there to acceptance is a short one."



The coaches are infallible with this clown until they play the wrong person in his mind.


you just need to go ahead cry it out. I questioned the coaching in the past. Now, I am a clown that thinks that the coaches are infallible. I just don't believe the coaches, especially the head coach told a walkon to switch their major if they want to play. That is pretty rational, seeing that we have had athletes start on our football team and move on to the NFL who did not major in specialized studies. Billy the cat, we have had our battles in the past and I see you are still seething with anger, I will not respond in kind by calling you a name, you probably call yourself all types of names. God bless you.


SBH is a well respected poster on this site, and if he says this happened, I'll take his word over yours. Not to mention that I've seen way more inside the walls of college athletics than you will ever see.
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 12:54:03 PM 
I worked on and off professionally during my years on campus. I switched to a BSS major because it allowed me to choose courses that I felt would actually help me in the long run.

The BSS was incredible for me and made academic life much easier. I was aiming to heck off the undergraduate box and get to the workforce and it was a major tool for me to get there
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 12:58:35 PM 
I don't know why some are knocking the legitimacy of the B.S.S. program. Like anything in life, you get out of it what you put in to it. I am sure some athletes and others create less-than-rigorous academic programs. Others create programs that may be more rigorous than some standard offered programs. I would consider myself a BSS "success story". Unfortunately, my focus was not in English, so I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors within this post.

I can tell you that I am doing exactly what I wanted to do with my career when I established my made-up major. I graduated with a focused degree that actually included aspects that potential future employers were looking for in graduates. I know this because I asked several potential employers what they felt new college graduates (within the field) were missing when they were looking to hire them.

Again, I wouldn't look at the degree program so much as I would the specific applications for which some students have found ways to take the "easy way out". Or, at the very least, look also at "success stories" that I know are out there.
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 1:42:26 PM 
OUBobcat13 wrote:
I don't know why some are knocking the legitimacy of the B.S.S. program. Like anything in life, you get out of it what you put in to it. I am sure some athletes and others create less-than-rigorous academic programs. Others create programs that may be more rigorous than some standard offered programs. I would consider myself a BSS "success story". Unfortunately, my focus was not in English, so I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors within this post.

I can tell you that I am doing exactly what I wanted to do with my career when I established my made-up major. I graduated with a focused degree that actually included aspects that potential future employers were looking for in graduates. I know this because I asked several potential employers what they felt new college graduates (within the field) were missing when they were looking to hire them.

Again, I wouldn't look at the degree program so much as I would the specific applications for which some students have found ways to take the "easy way out". Or, at the very least, look also at "success stories" that I know are out there.


I don't question the legitimacy of the BSS degree.
As I posted previously,it does provide the ability for a student to "customize" a degree to fit a specific need.

But, that being said,it also provides a mechanism for keeping athletes eligible with a degree program that has limited,if any,value in the "real world".
The legitimacy of the BSS degree,as it pertains to athletes, is even more questionable,when you take into account the on-line classes a lot of athletes take.
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 2:26:56 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
OUBobcat13 wrote:
I don't know why some are knocking the legitimacy of the B.S.S. program. Like anything in life, you get out of it what you put in to it. I am sure some athletes and others create less-than-rigorous academic programs. Others create programs that may be more rigorous than some standard offered programs. I would consider myself a BSS "success story". Unfortunately, my focus was not in English, so I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors within this post.

I can tell you that I am doing exactly what I wanted to do with my career when I established my made-up major. I graduated with a focused degree that actually included aspects that potential future employers were looking for in graduates. I know this because I asked several potential employers what they felt new college graduates (within the field) were missing when they were looking to hire them.

Again, I wouldn't look at the degree program so much as I would the specific applications for which some students have found ways to take the "easy way out". Or, at the very least, look also at "success stories" that I know are out there.


I don't question the legitimacy of the BSS degree.
As I posted previously,it does provide the ability for a student to "customize" a degree to fit a specific need.

But, that being said,it also provides a mechanism for keeping athletes eligible with a degree program that has limited,if any,value in the "real world".
The legitimacy of the BSS degree,as it pertains to athletes, is even more questionable,when you take into account the on-line classes a lot of athletes take.




I don't know what the online classes are like for undergrads at OU, but the online classes for my Master's degree from Miami were more rigorous than just about any classroom class I took as an undergrad.
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 5:02:25 PM 
OUBobcat13 wrote:


I don't know what the online classes are like for undergrads at OU, but the online classes for my Master's degree from Miami were more rigorous than just about any classroom class I took as an undergrad.


I don't disagree that there are some very rigorous on-line classes.
I took several of them for my Continuing Education.

But there is a cottage industry which provides very non-rigorous online classes for both college and high school students.

In fact,if you read his biography, it was these types of courses that Micheal Oher used to become academically eligible to get a college scholarship.
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   Posted: 9/5/2017 10:47:45 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
OUBobcat13 wrote:


I don't know what the online classes are like for undergrads at OU, but the online classes for my Master's degree from Miami were more rigorous than just about any classroom class I took as an undergrad.


I don't disagree that there are some very rigorous on-line classes.
I took several of them for my Continuing Education.

But there is a cottage industry which provides very non-rigorous online classes for both college and high school students.

In fact,if you read his biography, it was these types of courses that Micheal Oher used to become academically eligible to get a college scholarship.


Michael Oher still had to complete core courses and get a qualifying test score. During the season, on-line classes are a great option, the team travels at various times throughout the week. When I was at Ohio, I had some classes with the football players, they had study tables and usually met with the professors if they missed. a test. I took a makeup test with Mark Stubbs. I was also an RA in Boyd Hall. I also have a really good friend who played that works for the number 1 school in the country (Solon). I was in touch with a group of former Bobcats that lived in Charlotte. I remember one player who started on the D-line, he was worried about being ineligible because he did not complete enough credit hours during the calendar year. I told him that I completed six hours by taking two online classes where you paid for the class and you got the books and you had to study and take a test when you felt like you were ready. The test was tough. It took me 2 1/2 weeks per course. I had to read and write out flash cards and barely passed. You could only take a certain number of pass/fail courses, I believe they were pass/fail courses. I took two history courses and a lot of it was just based on memory and consolidating different events. Every school has these types of courses including Harvard. During my time in the Army, I also had soldiers that took CLEP test while were deployed. It is fun to speculate, but most of those kids work a lot harder than regular students. Some of them have horrendous injuries and have to rehab during the school year. Imagine having your leg fractured by a water boy who dropped a container. I believe one person mentioned accidentally doing this to a player during spring ball. Papi White is majoring in Sports Journalism, Brad Ellis and Javon Hagan is majoring in sports management, Louis Zervos is majoring in pre-pharmacy, Quinton Maxwell is majoring in electrical engineering, Jalen Fox-Sports Psychology, Dorian Brown is a writes code, Tony Porter-Education, Jared McCray-exercise physiology, Kyle Kuhar-Business, Brendan Cope received the West Point Leadership Award... Was a four-year member of the student senate honor roll, Cleon Aloese-Communications, Jake Pruehs-mechanical/biomedical engineering, AJ Oulette-Sport Management, nutrition and health, Quentin Poling-Education, Evan Crouch-Business, and Chad Moore is majoring in Logistics. As I stated before, FS is not steering players to major in specialized studies. The post gave someone a lot of pop and attention. Many know that I have questioned FS's coaching at times, but to say that he is not looking out for the best interest of players is wrong. We should also hold our school administration in high regard until THEY show us otherwise. No poster should be able to make allegation like this without the claim being properly vetted, Ohio is a journalism school and I believe that a lot of posters work in the journalism field. Go Cat's

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   Posted: 9/6/2017 7:37:05 AM 
Here's what I'd like to see - a comparison of the percentage of the general student body pursuing this major to the percentage of athletes by sport pursuing this major. If there is no difference, then there probably isn't an issue. If the latter is much greater than the former then where there is smoke there is generally fire. As for SBH, I second Billy's statement about the integrity of his post.
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   Posted: 9/6/2017 9:44:35 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Here's what I'd like to see - a comparison of the percentage of the general student body pursuing this major to the percentage of athletes by sport pursuing this major. If there is no difference, then there probably isn't an issue. If the latter is much greater than the former then where there is smoke there is generally fire. As for SBH, I second Billy's statement about the integrity of his post.


I'd also like to see a breakdown of courses taken by students pursuing this degree,separated into athletes/non-athletes.


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   Posted: 9/6/2017 10:02:29 AM 
Still talking (strike that - arguing) about football in the basketball thread I see. I'll go get some more popcorn and a soda.....
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OU_Country wrote:
Still talking (strike that - arguing) about football in the basketball thread I see. I'll go get some more popcorn and a soda.....



Basketball is the biggest user of this degree.
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   Posted: 9/6/2017 11:18:16 AM 
Biggest user, or largest percentage of players?
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   Posted: 9/6/2017 11:30:04 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
Biggest user, or largest percentage of players?



In this topic I'd say both, when you have a roster of 13 (scholarship players), and comparing against a roster of 85, you would have to go by percentages as a way of figuring the biggest user of the system.
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   Posted: 9/6/2017 6:47:13 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Biggest user, or largest percentage of players?



In this topic I'd say both, when you have a roster of 13 (scholarship players), and comparing against a roster of 85, you would have to go by percentages as a way of figuring the biggest user of the system.


Where ya finding your info? 13 players most multi year guys.... When you read their bios does it say that in their major or do you have access to some database that we don't see anywhere. Most everyone who has walked since 2007 has had a pretty traditional BA , BS from what I can see. Piqued my interest

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   Posted: 9/6/2017 8:49:15 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Biggest user, or largest percentage of players?



In this topic I'd say both, when you have a roster of 13 (scholarship players), and comparing against a roster of 85, you would have to go by percentages as a way of figuring the biggest user of the system.


Where ya finding your info? 13 players most multi year guys.... When you read their bios does it say that in their major or do you have access to some database that we don't see anywhere. Most everyone who has walked since 2007 has had a pretty traditional BA , BS from what I can see. Piqued my interest


13 players is how many scholarships that basketball gets....NOTICE that I put the scholarship limits of EACH basketball and football in the post. And the original post (which was NOT made by me, referenced the number of BSS degrees, of which I can not attest too). But my post was clearly in reference to the number of scholarships allowed on a roster.
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   Posted: 9/7/2017 1:06:26 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Biggest user, or largest percentage of players?



In this topic I'd say both, when you have a roster of 13 (scholarship players), and comparing against a roster of 85, you would have to go by percentages as a way of figuring the biggest user of the system.


Where ya finding your info? 13 players most multi year guys.... When you read their bios does it say that in their major or do you have access to some database that we don't see anywhere. Most everyone who has walked since 2007 has had a pretty traditional BA , BS from what I can see. Piqued my interest


13 players is how many scholarships that basketball gets....NOTICE that I put the scholarship limits of EACH basketball and football in the post. And the original post (which was NOT made by me, referenced the number of BSS degrees, of which I can not attest too). But my post was clearly in reference to the number of scholarships allowed on a roster.


I thought you were inferring that you had some actual numbers of Hoops guys who are in the BSS program. I routinely ask guys what they are studying and what their plans are after graduating. I had not run across any that said "I'm in the BSS program where I created a cool major" in the years I have been around the guys. Not saying there are not but I have not heard from them. Is your's just a calculated guess/stab in the dark or have you seen this as a coming trend with those athletes?


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   Posted: 9/7/2017 5:43:49 PM 
I started this thread because I received the Athletics Annual Report in the mail. They had a section that listed all the athletes who graduated and what their majors were. In men's basketball six earned degrees and four were specialized studies. I've already pitched it or I would look up some other sports. Did anyone else receive it?
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   Posted: 9/7/2017 9:30:38 PM 
giacomo wrote:
I started this thread because I received the Athletics Annual Report in the mail. They had a section that listed all the athletes who graduated and what their majors were. In men's basketball six earned degrees and four were specialized studies. I've already pitched it or I would look up some other sports. Did anyone else receive it?


Here it is on pages 18 and 19. From what I can tell, only 1 woman received this degree and football, baseball, and basketball led the way on the number of graduates.

http://2016-17-ohio-annual-report.s3.amazonaws.com/index....

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   Posted: 9/7/2017 10:02:38 PM 
So, men's BB has 4 of 6. Football had 8 of 19 and I'm not sure what BA is (baseball?) has 5 of 19 graduating in specialized studies.
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