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bn9
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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 3:36:59 PM

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

I'm curious like Van, who here has "fake agent friends"? I can think of someone who truly does have contacts within a few athletic departments because of his work history. On the basketball board, I'm not sure where people refer to these so-called fake agents.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

We all know that we pay coaches big money to win. We don't pay to participate. We see coaches like Groce get fired when they don't win. I happen to be in a land where if you talk about improvement and optimism, the medi's throw stones and some people use lies about fake subject matter experts to support their mediocre beliefs.

Many coaches do get paid big money to win. And we're seeing more winning in Athens than losing by a long shot. People throw stones because you simply keep pounding the same ol' drum, effectively insulting us by saying we're satisfied mediocrity and moral victories. What's amazing is that after all these months and dozens of people calling you out on it, telling you they're tired of hearing it, you STILL don't get it. You just keep repeating the same crap. Sad!

As for fake subject matter experts, I'm not sure which ones you're calling fake. Maybe you'd like to enlighten us. Recently, we've discussed Ken Pom, and other metrics experts who are, according to many who write about college hoops, and the TV networks, at the top of their field in basketball data analysis. True!

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

I don't think we need anymore "eye opening" to your opinions. Believe me, we got it after 5,000 repetitions of your "medi this, and morals that". If anything, we'd love to know why you haven't opened your eyes yet to some of the responses you get. You aren't convincing anyone to your point of view with that stuff. You want "real"? Shut up with the medi's nonsense. You bring more to the table when you leave that garbage out of your posts.

[QUOTE=bigtillyoopsupsideurhead] Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

Did you just publicly post a private message or did I read that wrong?

Last Edited: 5/3/2017 9:33:44 PM by Jeff McKinney

OU_Country
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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 3:41:25 PM

OUVan wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

In defense of Allen, he's also known for his "+1" replies. Can't get much more brief than that, no?

+0.5

Nicely played. In the future, I'll have to consider if I'm "+1", "+0.25", etc.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 3:42:07 PM

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

I don't know if he got his fake agent friend off of ebay, but he has them.

Where did we even get here? What does Tarell Basham changing positions have to do with anything? 75% of the time I don't understand who you are even arguing against.

bornacatfan
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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 3:47:42 PM

bn9 wrote:

Did you just publicly post a private message or did I read that wrong?

I read that as well.

Hmmm.... I have thousands of those that will never see the light of day... Kind of like never talking about Fight Club...that is kind of violating a trust that is implicit. Goes to character.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 4:02:41 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Where did we even get here? What does Tarell Basham changing positions have to do with anything? 75% of the time I don't understand who you are even arguing against.

Perhaps he's just trolling us all, trying to see who he can get a reaction from. If so, I bit on it. Oh well, I think I'll take borna's advice in this thread and cease responding. I just get worn out on the rambling about mediocrity when no one here represents that, and our athletic department clearly has higher aspirations and results than "mediocrity".

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 5:55:01 PM

brucecuth wrote:

I started following Bobcat basketball during my freshman year in 1969. What a year. We defeated 4 Big 10 teams, including Purdue with Rick Mount. There was no conference tournament back then, so the league championship came down to the final game of the season, in Athens, against Bowling Green during sibs weekend. Some say there may have been as many as 17,000 jammed into the convo to see the Bobcats win.

That was the high point. From then on, I've witnessed a slow, steady decline in our fortunes, much of it, maybe most of it from factors beyond our control. Yes, there, have been blips upward, sometimes by accident, others because we took chances. But for the most part it has been a gentle downward slope.

The nadir came last month, and it pretty much crystallized things for me. Jaaron Simmons, who our coach said was the leader, the "alpha dog" whose 3 words would be worth 100 from the coaches, bailed on the program. I don't blame the kid for reasons I'll go into, but when your leader bails, it really says a lot about your program. It also sends a frightening message to all who remain behind. My guess is that some on the team have been wondering for weeks now, well, if Jaaron thought it best to leave, what am I doing here?

And really, what am I as a fan doing here? When I started following the Bobcats, there may have been a dozen Division 1 leagues and the MAC was probably in the top 6 or eight. We could routinely schedule name brand teams into the convo. We played Ohio State every few years, sometimes in Athens. Now there are what, about 30 conferences now, and the MAC is an after thought, a Mid Major that only gets one bid into the NCAA tourney. No name brand team wants to play us in Athens because they've got little to gain and much to lose.

and MAC schools? None are anywhere near being the top programs in their state (does anyone really think there is an Ohio MAC school that can consistently challenge OSU, Dayton of Xavier?). The schools are often based in small towns, none get statewide coverage. The gyms, with a couple exceptions, are small and rarely more than half filled. Student support? More like non-support. It's easy to see why. When I was in school, you usually had the choice of watching 2 games on Saturday. It's more like 30 today. There might have been 1 other during the week. Now, when the Bobcats are playing, you could just stay home and watch Kentucky, Kansas or Duke, or maybe all 3.

And God help you if you are the best team in the MAC. Play just 1 bad half in the conference tourney, and no NCAA for you! I hate the conference tournament.

So the deck is stacked. You can't better yourself by playing the "big schools" because the big schools with the recognizable names won't play you. And since you can't better yourself, you can't get into the NCAA tournament. And since you can't get into the tournament you can't get the best players. You're stuck in a vicious circle and there's very few ways out. Maybe you get lucky, the stars align right, you develop a good team, the kids don't transfer or go pro and you make a tourney run. But can it be sustained? You have to continue to get lucky, or you start taking chances. But if you are a small school taking chances, the NCAA will take a very dim view of you.

I can't blame Simmons for leaving. Just like Keith Dambrot, he's seen the environment, and knows that better competition and a realistic shot at an NCAA tourney might be better for his post college career.

But where does that leave me? Rooting for a program with no realistic chance of being a consistent Top 50 team or winning an NCAA tournament once every 5 or 6 years (notice I didn't say compete for an NCAA championship, I'm not greedy) Rooting for a team where the best players aren't necessarily 100% committed. Rooting for a team that's never able to bring the best competition to its home court.

I've been rooting for that team for decades, and I'm just not getting that much enjoyment out of it any more. And from my reading of the tea leaves, I can't see the slow, gentle decline turning into an upward bounce anytime soon.

This is only my opinion so take it for not more than the .02 it's worth.

Pulling for a school and it's teams is different than pulling for a pro sports team. Pro sports are "mercenary" to find a word. People usually pull for a school because they love the school. You do have those people who have never set foot on a certain school's campus and still pull for them like the people in Tennessee who jumped on the "Vols" bandwagon during Peyton Manning's days even tough they had never set foot on UT's campus (or any college campus in the case of many of them). They might live 5 minutes from the campus of Austin Peay or Tennessee Tech but to make them feel better about themselves, pulled for the "big name" team that was (at the time) winning lots of football games instead of pulling for the athletes down the street. It's a philosophy I don't like or agree with but it is what it is. However, real fans and supporters of a school, stick with pulling for that school, whether it is a small NAIA school or Texas A&M. That doesn't mean blindly supporting every decision made by the coach or the A.D. - geez, I've been at the head of the torch & pitchfork parade to get a coach fired before and it wasn't that long ago.

Pro sports on the other hand? You pull for who you like, for whatever reason you like them. It could be geographical... look at the Nashville Preds hockey fans. Sold out 41 out of 41 regular season games in an area without many frozen ponds in the winter. But there are people in that area still clinging to their old team from wherever. I myself as a young kid was so excited when the Braves moved to Atlanta that I used to sneak a transistor radio under my pillow at night to listen to every game. Until the day they traded Eddie Mathews, my hero with over 500 home runs, to an expansion team. I dumped that Braves loyalty like a hot potato and have pulled against them ever since. But that's how pro sports is. You can drop your allegiance for any or no reason at all. However, in my .02 opinion, if you love a school, unless they have some major athletic department scandal or are just so incompetent at putting a team out on the field/court that it is an embarrassment, people might consider sticking with them because you never know if they might just make a comeback and you won't be on their side to enjoy the bragging rights.**

**Duke football had bowl droughts of 28 and 17 years in my lifetime but have now been to bowls in 4 of the last 5 years. Similar deal at Vandy.

Last Edited: 5/3/2017 6:06:44 PM by greencat

allen
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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/3/2017 10:58:23 PM

OU_Country wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Where did we even get here? What does Tarell Basham changing positions have to do with anything? 75% of the time I don't understand who you are even arguing against.

God bless you. I am not trolling you. If the truth feels like trolling, I can't help it. I exposed Billy the Cat because he viciously mischaracterized the truth in regards to me when I tried to be peacable. I placed sources on other people when they tried to use their so called expertise to present something that was nonfactual. It is only to prove a point, most people I am very peacable with most of the people and will continue to be that way. As far as my comments in regards to mediocrity and moral victories, I am against setting low expectations. It is not meant to be offensive. Most people hate losing, I don't hate losing. I hate accepting loses. I hate saying we are going to lose before a game. We played Tulsa a few years back and almost everybody was saying we would lose by 20 and how it would be good for us. We ended up blowing a 7 point lead in the last few minutes. I must admit that those types of thoughts disturb me. If we threw the towel in as the US Army, America would lose it's freedom. In the Army, we always had after action reviews to do things better in the future. Life is about progression, getting over hurdles, not sitting below the hurdle and watching others clear the hurdle. Why not us?

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 8:38:16 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

bn9 wrote:

Did you just publicly post a private message or did I read that wrong?

Or lack of character ;-)

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 8:43:31 AM

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

I don't know if he got his fake agent friend off of ebay, but he has them.
BillyTheCat [Block User]
Subject: Basham
Message: My best friend is on the team that signed Basham, Priority Sports & Entertainment. Quality outfit out of Chicago, who does not sign projected UDFA's. Basham is in good hands and they are not wanting him to have to make a position change.
About a week later guess who is doing linebacker workouts at the combine? Who got drafted to play 3-4 OLB? Who said there friend quit last week, lol? Guess what agency has signed undrafted free agents? If this persons claim was true it could warrant an NCAA investigation (a guy who says he is a friend of the staff and the best friend of an agent). Thank God the NCAA know's a wannabe when they see one, lol.
I don't make stuff up, other people do, but I don't.
Now you are mad that my post is over 200 words, lol.

Well see this is where you become a laughing stock, because those on here who know me know that my relationships that I speak of here are 100% true, and my connections to programs across the country are true. But again, you are simply a little troll with no character.

allen
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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 9:27:19 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

I love exposing you. Never feed me bull crap again. You are beating your chest like you won something, you were the liar that got exposed. You have carried waterbuckets and tried to latch on to people. If you truly had an agent friend that lied to you, is he really your friend. I think it was you covering up your doubtful thoughts with an imaginary agent. You are connected alright, maybe to the local drunks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCWz9U0MtoI

Last Edited: 5/4/2017 9:28:37 AM by allen

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 9:53:08 AM

well said,
Loyalty in the best of schools is compromised too.
I have to guess coaches on visits to prospective players and their homes offer an understanding that these are the times we live in. (For better of worse)

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 10:13:04 AM

allen wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

Only thing exposed here is your lack of commonsense. I stand by my relationships and commitment to OHIO University, a commitment that far exceeds your worthless ramblings.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 10:23:09 AM

Sometimes it's more fun to root for a team building to something than a team that has already arrived. Sure, I liked watching day-one ready-made players like D.J. Cooper, Leon Williams and Jerome Tillman, but as long as there are guys like Kenneth Van Kempen, Treg Setty and Whitney Davis and T.J. Hall � players who come to Athens maybe less heralded and need work who through hard work develop into really good basketball players � there will be a reason to watch Ohio basketball. Even if we don't go to the NCAA tournament but once a decade and don't steamroll the MAC.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 10:35:05 AM

allen wrote:

I'm really confused on what you feel you have exposed. The only thing you've done is expose that you post videos that suggest that you are a homophobe. You also appear to be of the mindset that opinions are facts.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 11:05:02 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

I would agree with that, back in my coaching days, I always found the building more rewarding than the staying on top. Seeing that daily progress is rewarding, and I'm with you the gratification of seeing the guys you mentioned (and others) develop over their careers.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 11:28:04 AM

allen wrote:

If we threw the towel in as the US Army, America would lose it's freedom. In the Army, we always had after action reviews to do things better in the future. Life is about progression, getting over hurdles, not sitting below the hurdle and watching others clear the hurdle. Why not us?

This is incredible. Where do you come up with this stuff?

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 12:18:56 PM

*looks around*

Yep this thread is still going about as well as I expected. *Exits stage left*

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 3:57:35 PM

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!

Speaking of Animal House... life imitates art...

http://www.kykernel.com/news/students-attempt-to-steal-a-...

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 4:37:23 PM

So let me get this right. Billy in a PM said he has a friend who works with a firm that represents Basham. allen says he doesn't. Unfortunately allen is wrong in this case and if we were in a court of law I could put my hand on a Bible and offer both verbal and visual proof.

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Posted: 5/4/2017 6:08:27 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

allen wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.

allen is framing a moral wrote:

allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?

Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

Only thing exposed here is your lack of commonsense. I stand by my relationships and commitment to OHIO University, a commitment that far exceeds your worthless ramblings.

You have lied to me three times, so you may have credibility with people that think I hurt their feelings, but to me you are about as trustworthy as a 5 year old saying his dad dunked from the three point line. In the little kid's case, he is a cute kid with child like faith, in your case it is a man or woman with no truth in them. Others have used their opinion to make false statements, but nobody said their best friend is Jerry Maguire. Speaking of commonsense, how is is smart to lie and say that you are closely connected to the the staff and that your best friend is an agent that repesents a player on the team, that could constitute a NCAA review. Just let it go

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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Posted: 5/4/2017 6:11:40 PM

OUVan wrote:

allen wrote:

How am I a homophobe? Are you nuts? Maybe you don't understand the context, billy the cat chimed into a footbal convo and said he broke someone's leg during spring ball, he was lying, so I sent a video of a notorious fake athlete. Lamar Latrell did not really run track.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 6:13:26 PM

[QUOTE=Alan Swank] So let me get this right. Billy in a PM said he has a friend who works with a firm that represents Basham. allen says he doesn't. Unfortunately allen is wrong in this case and if we were in a court of law I could put my hand on a Bible and offer both verbal and visual proof. [/QUOTE

Funny he said that his friend quit, so if you tesified and said his best friend was an agent that said Basham could not play linebacker, it might be considered perjury, especially whe Basham played OLB at the senior bowl and successfully participate in linebacker drills at the combine and I believe he did some drills at his pro day. Verbal proof, would that be you taping them saying they are friends, nevermind.

Last Edited: 5/4/2017 6:33:53 PM by allen

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 8:27:27 PM

allen wrote:

Just let it go

Walk away for a few days or more, and do a little self evaluation simply based on this thread alone before typing another response. Follow your own advice.

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 9:25:17 PM

OU_Country wrote:

allen wrote:

Just let it go

Walk away for a few days or more, and do a little self evaluation simply based on this thread alone before typing another response. Follow your own advice.

Thank you for your advice. We can't go through life ganging up on people because they don't agree with us. We are all fans. All of this back and forth is not neccessary. I don't know you personally and you don't know me, so we are in no position to say who needs a break or a self examination. I understand that my opinion differs from a lot of people here. I want to be united with the group, but when the group says things like college athletes don't want to go pro just to counter me and I went to school with people who worked their tail off to go pro. I have a uncle who coaches in Jordan, he gets players that just can't hang them up. I am friends with high school and college coaches. I helped our former coach Larry Hunter try to get Theo Dixon and Jonathan Burge here. It is easy for me to find sources to combat some of these statements because I have experience. People make statements to try to make me look stupid and then claim to be authorities. They do all of this because I say our expectations are low or we can get better. I am not saying anything irrational. What am I supposed to do. Am I supposed to accept a lie. I guess I could ignore it. I have a question. Why can't we just be real? People disagree all the time, why can't we make our points and than disagree peacably. The whole argument between me and Billy the Cat started on a football thread, where I said that Basham would be more marketable if he could play OLB, two posters said it was impossible including Billy the Cat, another poster jumped in on my side and named about 20 DE's who had successfully made the transition and then Billy the Cat pm'd me and told me the story about the agent. A week later, I am watching the combine and Basham looks great performing linebacker drills and I said to myself he did all this to prove a point (people's pride will not allow them to be wrong). So I brought it up and he made some personal insults, some nasty ones at that, I asked for peace twice (turning the other cheek) and he followed every new post with an insult. I then said to myself, I won't retaliate in the same manner with nasty insults instead I will expose him everytime he calls me a name. See the names he calls me are not true, but me exposing his lies is the truth. By this, I am taking the higher road. I can handle it, he will stop with the names because he knows where he stands, but don't join in, I am not against you, I am not against Billy the Cat either. I am a former Ohio State fan that came to Ohio as a student in 96 and met some of the players and I became an Ohio Fan.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: I'm about done...

Posted: 5/4/2017 9:50:35 PM

You obviously have zero understanding of NCAARULES AND REGULATIONS BUT THAT IS NOT SURPRISING AGAIN,my relationships and experiences are well verifiable by many in this community. I'm sorry you have some sort of penis envy.

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