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Topic: RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

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Bobcat1998
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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 4:11:38 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

SaulBall wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Bobcat03inFL wrote:

Have there been any updates on Simmons? I have been hearing from other sites that he is intending on transferring if he withdraws from the draft.

I haven't seen anything on him on here in a couple of weeks.

Word is he is visiting Michigan this week and him and Greg Paulus from OSU just followed each other on Twitter

What "sites" are you referring to?

The Twitter I can confirm and the Ohio State information I can confirm from my sources up there. I told you people on here that they were going to make a run at him and wish I could say I were shocked.

Jaaron favorited this tweet.

https://twitter.com/_Tkirk_/status/855093697654005760

What are your sources saying now?

Yippee so he favored one tweet. I am telling you now and will tell you again Ann Arbor and Columbus are both gunning for him big time. Michigan is still waiting on a recruit to decide and their two draft eligible players. Once those dominoes fall then they will make their move. The Wright state kid Will have first dibs on a spot in Ann Arbor due to the one assistant coach

As to Columbus they are still singing that they need a point guard and have Simmons in mind. I still have a lot of friends in and around the program and do usually have a good pulse on what else is happening out there because of my business

Other than Mike Conley, Thad Matta has not produced a solid NBA player in his tenure. They have all fallen after big expectations. Evan Turner is now a role player. Oden was a bust. Russell has been a huge bust. Name me anymore players that could make it? Jaaron would be crazy to transfer again to that piece of garbage which has become the Buckeye basketball program.

greencat
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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 4:39:55 PM

I hope he stays but if not, Saul should consider a top D-2 guard... such as the one who broke Oscar Robertson's record for high game in a triple double. The kid would be immediately eligible.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 5:06:58 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Per this article, if Simmons commits to Michigan, he may have to wait until May 24th to know if there's an open scholarship.
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/04/for_jo...

The article is crap and it's exactly why the grad transfer rule is irritating.

Stupid article wrote:

Michigan is currently recruiting Ohio transfer Jaaron Simmons and Wright State transfer Mark Alstorkl

How is this possible? Mark Alstork has publicly stated he is transferring, and he retweeted some reports announcing recruiting visits he is taking so I have no problem with that, but how can someone be actively recruiting Simmons? How can dozens of Michigan fans be convinced Simmons is transferring in when he hasn't stated anywhere (that I know of) that he would be leaving Ohio? Is it even legal to reach out to a player just because you know he's graduating and wouldn't have to sit out a year?

All good questions, I was wondering the exact same things. Perhaps because Jaaron declared for the NBA draft, he's essentially a free agent?

The roster crunch at UM seems a bit complicated. I would hate to see Jaaron walk into a bad situation there, especially because I think he's got a great opportunity at OHIO next season.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 6:00:01 PM

LuckySparrow wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Per this article, if Simmons commits to Michigan, he may have to wait until May 24th to know if there's an open scholarship.
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/04/for_jo...

The article is crap and it's exactly why the grad transfer rule is irritating.

Stupid article wrote:

Michigan is currently recruiting Ohio transfer Jaaron Simmons and Wright State transfer Mark Alstorkl

Jaaron is not a free agent technically because he declared for the NBA, that said it does allow for opportunities for people to begin getting in his ear a lot more than usual.

That said, Michigan is not in that bad of shape and to be honest would be a great fit in Ann Arbor for their system. I hate to say it but that situation in Ann Arbor is actually pretty good with their current freshman class and incoming class. If they can get either Wilson or Wagner to return, that team will be a tough out in the Big Ten tbh.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 6:20:43 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

It's really hard for me to hold this against Simmons. It's hard to argue much with a student athlete, who has already graduated, looking at other options that provide him with better professional development opportunities.

The whole reason for Grad school is to provide professional development opportunities. There is little doubt that Simmons will earn a living playing professional basketball. The question is does playing at Michigan in a new system with new teammates better prepare him than playing for Ohio where he has the keys to the car and will play as many minutes as able - and win/contend for MAC-POY? To me this has little to do with playing BIG10 schedule. Which decision helps him longer term? To me, staying at Ohio helps him more.

Last Edited: 4/23/2017 6:21:24 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 7:04:45 PM

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 7:23:09 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I sure hope he stays and we can see how far he can go and how far Ohio can go with him. It's out of our hands, just like it always has been.

Last Edited: 4/23/2017 7:59:06 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 8:10:21 PM

greencat wrote:

Why would he be immediately eligible? Players transferring up have to sit out a year unless there are other circumstances, such as a grad transfer.

LuckySparrow
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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 8:26:26 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

Gotcha, that makes sense.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

brucecuth
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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 9:22:22 PM

I was to dumb to notice at the time, but at the Columbus coaches caravan stop, Saul never mentioned Simmons. A year ago, he spent half his time talking about him...

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 9:48:32 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

I am sick to my stomach.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/23/2017 11:32:08 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

This is all you need to know. For all intents and purposes, Jaaron is gone. He "can" come back to the team if he chooses - but he's not a member of the team currently (regardless of NBA draft - which he's not going to enter), which is why he's free to talk to whatever other schools he wants.

I'll say it again - the outlook for this team next year certainly isn't roses IMO.

PG: Gollon? / Kirk? (eeks)
SG: Dartis / Butler
SF: Block / Laster
PF: Carter / Vander Plas / Gareri (Dozier)
C : Taylor / Mickle

It's year 4 of #SaulBall - and with 5, maybe 6 new guys coming in this year - the roster is officially 100% his making. Time to put the cards on the table.

I see a team that barely went .500 last year without Tone - and who lost a whole bunch more on top of that (Simmons/KK). Let's hope the newcomers in this incoming class are LEGIT otherwise we're in for a major rebuilding year and step back.

100%Cat
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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:05:11 AM

Do we really have another month of waiting and speculation on this?

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:42:22 AM

This thread isn't as much fun as the Malik Zaire threads.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 9:45:19 AM by The Optimist

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 9:45:36 AM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

My wife favorites House Hunter memes on twitter.

Ain't nothing to be learned from a twitter favorite, bro.

That's the point.

The basis for this rumor is a anonymous message board poster who can "confirm" that Jaaron followed an assistant coach on Twitter and who has heard things from his "sources" at OSU and Michigan.
Supposedly, this is all very trustworthy because he claims to run a very successful "business" in the industry.

Every year, major schools recruit players, and very often they do so illegally.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ohios-dj... /
That doesn't mean Jaaron won't be a Bobcat next year. Much ado about nothing if you ask me.
Just don't ask me about my business.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 9:46:45 AM by SaulBall

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 10:14:25 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

It may be naive, but until he announces anything I am going to assume he is returning which makes us the prohibitive favorites in the conference without a doubt.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 11:48:23 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

It may be naive, but until he announces anything I am going to assume he is returning which makes us the prohibitive favorites in the conference without a doubt.

PG: Simmons - Kirk - Gollon
SG: Dartis - Laster -Butler
SF: Block - Vander Plas
PF: Gareri - Mickle - Dozier
C: Carter - Taylor

This roster would make us the favorite to win both the MAC regular season and MAC Tournament titles. Without debate. Jaaron would be frontrunner for MAC poty. I could EASILY see Jaaron averaging 18ppg and 8 apg.

This roster would also be incredibly deep. Laster was basically 6th man of the year last year. He provided huge minutes for us down the stretch in games. The Mickle graduate transfer has been undersold on the recruiting board. He gives us a much needed body who has experience to come in and contribute IMMEDIATELY. We don't need a superstar transfer in the low post to make a huge impact. He played 10+ mins per game for a team that has made the NCAA Tournament the last two years. In addition to Jason Carter, Doug Taylor and our two prized incoming freshman Gareri and Vander Plas, we'd finally have the roster that allows us to completely implement Saul's desired style of play. The offense until now has been "Saul-lite."

Bobcat fans should be excited.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 11:50:30 AM by The Optimist

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 12:28:15 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

My issue with this is you can't really lump DT and Mickle into being "centers." This team doesn't have a center. They have a bunch of guards and forwards. And that's fine. The idea of a true center at a mid-major just doesn't happen anymore. Tony was the last one we'll probably see who was close for a while, and even he was more of a forward. When's the last "center" Ohio has had? Even Leon Williams was more of a power forward.

1s - Simmons and Kirk
1/2 combos - Dartis, Butler and Gollon
2/3 combos - Laster, Block
3/4 combos - Vander Plas, Dozier
4s - Carter, Taylor, Mickle, Gareri

We need to get away from this idea that this is a roster that has set positions of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 down the line. They're recruiting guys who can do a lot of different things so when one guy goes down, the next guy slides right in.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 12:29:30 PM by GoCats105

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 1:08:54 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Jaaron is free to talk to teams because he has asked for and received his release from Ohio. Doesn't mean he can't come back to Ohio.

In my mind, we basically have 3 positions: PG, Wing, Forward. In Saul's offense, all can shoot from the outside. The PG is a little quicker and focused on distribution and the forwards are a little bigger and can mix it up down low.

Ball movement and good shooting. That's what we're going to do. The key in going from good to great is getting this group to play team defense. We've got a lot of experience coming back on the wings.

As for our last "true" center, it's gotta be KVK.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 1:10:05 PM by The Optimist

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 1:16:47 PM

SaulBall wrote:

Pete Chouteau wrote:

My wife favorites House Hunter memes on twitter.

Ain't nothing to be learned from a twitter favorite, bro.

All I did was confirming what someone else saw on Twitter, nothing more or nothing less.

That said, to spite your rear end, to get rid of this "anaonymous message board poster" theme of yours, my name is Matt Dewire. If that name sounds familiar, I worked in the athletic dept. for three years and in fact served as your ticketing representative during my time. Also during this time, I did my graduate work in the Sports Ad program where classmates of mine also worked for some of the basketball programs prior to coming to Athens (including directly working for John Groce and John Beilein).

As some of you know, I did my undergrad at Ohio State in a wide array of jobs in the athletic department and in a degree in which friends go to work in the athletic department after graduating. With that, some of these directly work in the basketball program, others in the athletic department where I can go get information in a hurry. When I have these contacts asking me what do I think of Jaaron, and tell me after that the coaching staff wants him, you tend to think that MAYBE they will go after him. So take it with a grain of salt, I am telling you what I've been told.

As to Ann Arbor, not only do I have my close friends, but again I worked up that way and befriended other athletic dept. employees along with my classmate who worked for Beilein and telling me the same stuff that sounded pretty familiar to what was coming out of Columbus.

I get it, we all think Athens is Nirvana (trust me, I have more love for Athens as I do Columbus, especially because they gave my crazy ideas a shot versus the ATM machine in Columbus). That said, Jaaron would be a fool not to consider going to one of those schools because scouts and media are dumber than rocks that they can't get on Route 33 to find a kid. The second I saw Jaaron light up Bean Willis and Stevie in practice when he sat out his transfer year was all I needed to know about how good the kid was. So if he does leave, and I hope to god he doesn't, he is going to light up the Big Ten and be in the running for Player of the Year in those conferences and most likely have a better chance of getting drafted. In addition, a full ride to potentially start on a graduate degree

But I have enough contacts across the industry to have a pulse on what's going on and keep in contact with them as much as I can. Yes, my work consists of this because I have to be able to put my money in places where the odds of success increase so call it insider trading or what you will, but my contacts make sure I'm kept in the loop. So if you want to attack me fine, but I do not like to be smeared because you think I'm an anonymous poster. Only reason I went with this name is cause it's better than CrooksvillebyAmesville, for which anyone knowing that back story of how I got lost for 3 hours by taking the wrong road out of Athens on the north end would know full well that's always a possibility of happening.

PS-If you think I'm full of it, check out Delaware's basketball schedule next year when it comes out, as they will be receiving a visit from a former coach and that is all I am able to say on that.

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 1:36:26 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 1:18:56 PM

Stupid edit button, clicked the wrong one by accident

Last Edited: 4/24/2017 1:20:46 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 1:40:07 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

SaulBall wrote:

Pete Chouteau wrote:

My wife favorites House Hunter memes on twitter.

Ain't nothing to be learned from a twitter favorite, bro.

All I did was confirming what someone else saw on Twitter, nothing more or nothing less.

That said, to spite your rear end, to get rid of this "anaonymous message board poster" theme of yours, my name is Matt Dewire. If that name sounds familiar, I worked in the athletic dept. for three years and in fact served as your ticketing representative during my time. Also during this time, I did my graduate work in the Sports Ad program where classmates of mine also worked for some of the basketball programs prior to coming to Athens (including directly working for John Groce and John Beilein).

As some of you know, I did my undergrad at Ohio State in a wide array of jobs in the athletic department and in a degree in which friends go to work in the athletic department after graduating. With that, some of these directly work in the basketball program, others in the athletic department where I can go get information in a hurry. When I have these contacts asking me what do I think of Jaaron, and tell me after that the coaching staff wants him, you tend to think that MAYBE they will go after him. So take it with a grain of salt, I am telling you what I've been told.

As to Ann Arbor, not only do I have my close friends, but again I worked up that way and befriended other athletic dept. employees along with my classmate who worked for Beilein and telling me the same stuff that sounded pretty familiar to what was coming out of Columbus.

I get it, we all think Athens is Nirvana (trust me, I have more love for Athens as I do Columbus, especially because they gave my crazy ideas a shot versus the ATM machine in Columbus). That said, Jaaron would be a fool not to consider going to one of those schools because scouts and media are dumber than rocks that they can't get on Route 33 to find a kid. The second I saw Jaaron light up Bean Willis and Stevie in practice when he sat out was all I needed to know about how good the kid was. So if he does leave, and I hope to god he doesn't, he is going to light up the Big Ten and be in the running for Player of the Year in those conferences and most likely have a better chance of getting drafted.

But I have enough contacts across the industry to have a pulse on what's going on and keep in contact with them as much as I can. Yes, my work consists of this because I have to be able to put my money in places where the odds of success increase so call it insider trading or what you will, but my contacts make sure I'm kept in the loop. So if you want to attack me fine, but I do not like to be smeared because you think I'm an anonymous poster. Only reason I went with this name is cause it's better than CrooksvillebyAmesville, for which anyone knowing that back story of how I got lost for 3 hours by taking the wrong road out of Athens on the north end would know full well that's always a possibility of happening.

PS-If you think I'm full of it, check out Delaware's basketball schedule next year when it comes out, as they will be receiving a visit from a former coach and that is all I am able to say on that.

As the kids would say, REAL TALK, lol. If I were Jaaron, I would stay if I believe I can win the MAC and go to the dance. If not, I would not wait for Michigan, I would go to Louisville, Pitino has way more pro contacts and he could easily beat out Quinn Snyder, like Tre Lewis did two years ago. I believe he should get some analysis from the NBA scouts and work them out here, he won't have to look over his shoulder. I would hate to see him become Ronnie Lewis or Ron Lewis.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 2:32:39 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

That said, Jaaron would be a fool not to consider going to one of those schools because scouts and media are dumber than rocks that they can't get on Route 33 to find a kid.

I don't see any truth in this. Mo Ndour is in the NBA right now meanwhile guys who declared early from Columbus like LaQuinton Ross and Deshaun Thomas have never sniffed the league. If you are good you will be found.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 2:50:05 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

That said, Jaaron would be a fool not to consider going to one of those schools because scouts and media are dumber than rocks that they can't get on Route 33 to find a kid.

I believe in "if you are good, you will be found", especially in the current era where on demand video and game film of players is frequently available.

I hope he stays. I think the team will be good regardless, but with him, this group is undeniably better.

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RE: Simmons to declare for NBA draft

Posted: 4/24/2017 2:59:19 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

That said, Jaaron would be a fool not to consider going to one of those schools because scouts and media are dumber than rocks that they can't get on Route 33 to find a kid. The second I saw Jaaron light up Bean Willis and Stevie in practice when he sat out his transfer year was all I needed to know about how good the kid was. So if he does leave, and I hope to god he doesn't, he is going to light up the Big Ten and be in the running for Player of the Year in those conferences and most likely have a better chance of getting drafted. In addition, a full ride to potentially start on a graduate degree

You've got an antiqued view on NBA scouting.

"Scouts and media are dumber than rocks"

I don't disagree with your statement. I disagree with the conclusion you're drawing from it. "Scouts" today are increasingly "analytically minded" guys rather than the traditional old-school "I've watched a lot of hoops" guys who won't hop in their car to drive down route 33. The new guys don't care where you played college hoops, because they can accurately factor strength of schedule into their metrics grading players. It's in the best interests of schools like Ohio State and Michigan to push the "exposure" narrative but it's nothing more than talk of a bygone era.

5 guys in this year's NBA All-Star game played at mid-major programs. With the exception of Paul Millsap, who went in the 2nd round, all of them were drafted in the Top 15 picks in the NBA Draft. 3/5 went in the Top 10.
Yes, there are more NBA guys from major schools, but that isn't because of exposure, that is because majors have more players who are of the elite NBA caliber.

Different sport, but wasn't Bill Belichick in Athens a month ago watching Tarell Basham? In 2017, if you are good, they're going to find you. The entire "exposure" narrative falls apart even MORE when you look at exactly what Antonio Campbell and Jaaron Simmons did the past two years. This is EXACTLY why you should declare for the draft as a Junior and then withdraw your name. By doing so, you get yourself into rooms with NBA executives and scouts making roster decisions. If you're good enough to enter the draft process as a Junior as a realistic prospect, they will run you through their computer models and watch your game tape whether you're at Ohio, Ohio State or Weber State.

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