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Our entire defensive lineup was in flux all throughout the second quarter, including switches on who was guarding Wilder (Saul had Dartis on him for a bit since had fouls). Definitely a factor. We need KK on offense to finish games. 2) Carter came out hot, able to outwit Dugan and LaMont for some quick points in the paint in the first half. Then they figured him out and we had no way of getting consistent points in the paint in the second half. 3) We ARE a team who is going to give up big runs here and there. All we need to do is weather the storm and work on slightly decreasing these - instead of giving up a 15-0 run, make it a 15-6 run. Big difference, as we lost by 5 last night. 4) We need to shoot more 3s. I'd be fine with 30 attempts per game. This is our strength - Dartis and KK are strong shooters, Simmons, Block, Carter, and Laster are all capable. WMU shot 25 3s and we shot 22. Basically, we have a really good offense predicated on banging down a bunch of 3s. It all starts there. If Carter or Taylor can keep working on establishing an inside presence and Laster and Culver can find some consistency coming off the bench and slashing at the rim, we're in decent shape. When our offense disappears for 4-5 minutes, our defense isn't good enough to hold leads or keep us in the game. When our offense is clicking that leads to better outcomes on defense, IMO. What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 1:24:16 PM  Parkersburgwvcat wrote: bshot44 pointed out that ( outside of whipping us by 15 pts.)Akron has won its MAC games by 5,7,4,4,7,10, 1, and 3 pts. I don't find it a coincidence that they are undefeated in the conference. Finding ways to win at the end is exactly what good teams do that separate them from this year's 'Cats. I still love them and watch every second that I can (either live or on ESPN) but damn, they make me crazy!! That game was the first real game without Tony against the best team in the league. Akron made whatever adjustments they needed to in the 2nd half and pulled away. I'm hoping Saturday gives us a better indication of this team. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 1:56:13 PM  OU_Country wrote: Felix wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I just looked at the MAC standings and saw that Western is the worst team in the league. Are we getting our ROI on 550K? No, we are not getting our ROI! It's hard to believe that we couldn't have offered someone much less to produce the same results. Phillips still has a lot of work to do. Since you are clearly a basketball genius, name three better coaches we could have/should have chosen from when Jim Christian left. The only thing I miss about Groce compared to Saul is style of play, and much of that had to do with who his PG was. That's it. This guy and his family are an outstanding fit for Athens and Ohio University. This staff has yet to recruit a bad egg, and they went to the MAC Semi's in year two. Tony's injury is a killer to any team, and any coaching staff. If you can't see that, and how it massively changes the season, I don't know what else to say. With Tony, this team had legit NCAA aspirations. Without him, the road is tougher, but it's still possible. Last year they were playing their best hoops at the end of the year. If they do the same this year, it's still possible. Thanks Ry As usual, when I saw this I typed out a well constructed and thoughtful response about the douchiness of repetitively using the 550K as a stick to beat Saul with as has been done following the Iona, EMU and WKU losses by this same poster. I looked at the character that has been recruited in the members of this team, the classroom performance, the diligence in recruiting and the loss of Tone. I had about a small novel constructed as to how well this coach and staff have done in righting the ship and ensuring movement forward to continue the trajectory up since I first got here in 07. You summarized it nicely. I usually have a 24 hour rule so I was happy to see you took the time. In the interim I took the time to look and scour tO$U, Indiana, Illinois, Butler and a few other boards where hoopheads reside and have teams currently in a funk. NO ONE has a thread or even a poster contributing where they are questioning the salary. ALL have coaches making over 2 million dollars per year but they understand the value of the position in THEIR university and how competitive they want to be. THey understand the value of a coach and while the fanbase will criticize every minute detail of a performance and lust for blood and a place to affix blame ....they all know the money to hire a decent coach is part of the program and plan. What are we getting for our 550K?, Good students (No bert, ernies or AB's, no domestic abuse, no dismissals and failed drug tests, no one leaving for funerals and not returning, no chasing around to classes or assigning adults to follow and ensure the kids get there among other things) Good character athletes that represent us well and we as a fanbase can be proud of, Good sportsmen. We are still competitive despite the challenges of personnel and injuries,we have a good steward of the program that loves the U...the only thing we still have is the challenge of closing out games and living up to the expectations of the fanbase. Saul wants to succeed and stay here enjoying the Athens community and coaching at Ohio.....unless we start becoming one of those deplorable fanbases and hanging his salary over his head and beating him with it. Talk about the game and decisions and lack of player execution or motivation and recruiting gaffes. Talk about how it is coaches fault and there is no offense and the defense has no Identity like they ..do at Illinois..but the salary is off limits IMHO as it is the reality of what it takes to compete no matter who you sre in these 351 schools ....lest you think we should cut it a couple hundred grand and find us an up and comer on the cheap. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 3:21:54 PM  LuckySparrow wrote: A few random things: 1) Fouls were a bigtime problem last night with KK and Jaaron. Our entire defensive lineup was in flux all throughout the second quarter, including switches on who was guarding Wilder (Saul had Dartis on him for a bit since had fouls). Definitely a factor. We need KK on offense to finish games. A big reason why KK finds himself in foul trouble is that he still is a bit lazy on the defensive end. He doesn't move his feet very well...especially rolling off screens. It leads to him getting beat a lot and therefore committing bad fouls. His 5th last night was unnecessary. He needs to understand he has 4 fouls...the stage of the game..and the fact that he's been beat. Making a swipe at the dribbler or the shooter after you been beat normally results in a foul. Either commit to defense early or accept you've been beat in that position. Culver did it a few times last night...I've seen Simmons do it. Campbell was a first-class offender, which led to a lot of foul trouble for him. LuckySparrow wrote: 3) We ARE a team who is going to give up big runs here and there. All we need to do is weather the storm and work on slightly decreasing these - instead of giving up a 15-0 run, make it a 15-6 run. Big difference, as we lost by 5 last night. Would solve a lot of these problems. When I was looking up runs, I should've look at how many times we took a timeout when the wheels were wobbling. Saul seems to be of the "let them play thru it" camp....and it's been dreadful. 7-0, 8-0 runs quickly escalate to 14-0 and 17-0 runs. Something has to be done to figure out to limit these. LuckySparrow wrote: 4) We need to shoot more 3s. I'd be fine with 30 attempts per game. This is our strength - Dartis and KK are strong shooters, Simmons, Block, Carter, and Laster are all capable. WMU shot 25 3s and we shot 22. I agree with this too....to a degree. Not when it's Jason Carter and his 22% who is hoisting 7 of the 22 attempts. Dartis, Kaminski, Block, Simmons need to be the guys chucking threes. No reason Dartis/Kaminski don't combine for around 14-17 attempts per game. That is where they thrive. They occasionally can get to the rim...but they are much better catch and shoot guys. The way you make that successful is with ball movement....quick passes. Too many times I see this offense get into the habit of holding the ball or dribbling towards the rim and getting "stuck". Quick ball reversals and catch-n-shoot off screens doesn't happen nearly enough for me. Simmons is great at driving the ball...but sometimes he drives and has no where to go. Block is still super indecisive when he catches the ball....it's almost like he takes a full second after he catches it to decide what to do. He's a helluva passer...and can shoot (except FTs this year...WTF happened?!?!)....but watch when he catches the ball...it's always a pause. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 3:23:08 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Parkersburgwvcat wrote: bshot44 pointed out that ( outside of whipping us by 15 pts.)Akron has won its MAC games by 5,7,4,4,7,10, 1, and 3 pts. I don't find it a coincidence that they are undefeated in the conference. Finding ways to win at the end is exactly what good teams do that separate them from this year's 'Cats. I still love them and watch every second that I can (either live or on ESPN) but damn, they make me crazy!! That game was the first real game without Tony against the best team in the league. Akron made whatever adjustments they needed to in the 2nd half and pulled away. I'm hoping Saturday gives us a better indication of this team. I know we were still finding ourselves in that game vs. Akron...the first of the post-AC era. So I'm curious what Saturday will bring. As I said earlier, this roster is more talented than a lot of teams that Akron has "squeaked past" No reason we should be getting drummed by them with this talent. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 3:36:36 PM  bornacatfan wrote: OU_Country wrote: Felix wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I just looked at the MAC standings and saw that Western is the worst team in the league. Are we getting our ROI on 550K? No, we are not getting our ROI! It's hard to believe that we couldn't have offered someone much less to produce the same results. Phillips still has a lot of work to do. Since you are clearly a basketball genius, name three better coaches we could have/should have chosen from when Jim Christian left. The only thing I miss about Groce compared to Saul is style of play, and much of that had to do with who his PG was. That's it. This guy and his family are an outstanding fit for Athens and Ohio University. This staff has yet to recruit a bad egg, and they went to the MAC Semi's in year two. Tony's injury is a killer to any team, and any coaching staff. If you can't see that, and how it massively changes the season, I don't know what else to say. With Tony, this team had legit NCAA aspirations. Without him, the road is tougher, but it's still possible. Last year they were playing their best hoops at the end of the year. If they do the same this year, it's still possible. Thanks Ry As usual, when I saw this I typed out a well constructed and thoughtful response about the douchiness of repetitively using the 550K as a stick to beat Saul with as has been done following the Iona, EMU and WKU losses by this same poster. I looked at the character that has been recruited in the members of this team, the classroom performance, the diligence in recruiting and the loss of Tone. I had about a small novel constructed as to how well this coach and staff have done in righting the ship and ensuring movement forward to continue the trajectory up since I first got here in 07. You summarized it nicely. I usually have a 24 hour rule so I was happy to see you took the time. In the interim I took the time to look and scour tO$U, Indiana, Illinois, Butler and a few other boards where hoopheads reside and have teams currently in a funk. NO ONE has a thread or even a poster contributing where they are questioning the salary. ALL have coaches making over 2 million dollars per year but they understand the value of the position in THEIR university and how competitive they want to be. THey understand the value of a coach and while the fanbase will criticize every minute detail of a performance and lust for blood and a place to affix blame ....they all know the money to hire a decent coach is part of the program and plan. What are we getting for our 550K?, Good students (No bert, ernies or AB's, no domestic abuse, no dismissals and failed drug tests, no one leaving for funerals and not returning, no chasing around to classes or assigning adults to follow and ensure the kids get there among other things) Good character athletes that represent us well and we as a fanbase can be proud of, Good sportsmen. We are still competitive despite the challenges of personnel and injuries,we have a good steward of the program that loves the U...the only thing we still have is the challenge of closing out games and living up to the expectations of the fanbase. Saul wants to succeed and stay here enjoying the Athens community and coaching at Ohio.....unless we start becoming one of those deplorable fanbases and hanging his salary over his head and beating him with it. Talk about the game and decisions and lack of player execution or motivation and recruiting gaffes. Talk about how it is coaches fault and there is no offense and the defense has no Identity like they ..do at Illinois..but the salary is off limits IMHO as it is the reality of what it takes to compete no matter who you sre in these 351 schools ....lest you think we should cut it a couple hundred grand and find us an up and comer on the cheap. I've also questioned what we've paid our football coach and our president. My point is simple - I don't think we needed to pay that much. These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Last Edited: 2/1/2017 3:37:22 PM by Alan Swank Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 3:56:12 PM  Alan Swank wrote: I've also questioned what we've paid our football coach and our president. My point is simple - I don't think we needed to pay that much. These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Your state tax dollars are also paying for coaches and presidents at OSU, Akron, BG, Cincy, Kent, Cleveland State, Miami, Toledo, Wright St. and Youngstown St. How are the ROIs on them? Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,722 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 4:24:27 PM  bshot44 wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: A few random things: 1) Fouls were a bigtime problem last night with KK and Jaaron. Our entire defensive lineup was in flux all throughout the second quarter, including switches on who was guarding Wilder (Saul had Dartis on him for a bit since had fouls). Definitely a factor. We need KK on offense to finish games. A big reason why KK finds himself in foul trouble is that he still is a bit lazy on the defensive end. He doesn't move his feet very well...especially rolling off screens. It leads to him getting beat a lot and therefore committing bad fouls. His 5th last night was unnecessary. He needs to understand he has 4 fouls...the stage of the game..and the fact that he's been beat. Making a swipe at the dribbler or the shooter after you been beat normally results in a foul. Either commit to defense early or accept you've been beat in that position. Culver did it a few times last night...I've seen Simmons do it. Campbell was a first-class offender, which led to a lot of foul trouble for him. LuckySparrow wrote: 3) We ARE a team who is going to give up big runs here and there. All we need to do is weather the storm and work on slightly decreasing these - instead of giving up a 15-0 run, make it a 15-6 run. Big difference, as we lost by 5 last night. Would solve a lot of these problems. When I was looking up runs, I should've look at how many times we took a timeout when the wheels were wobbling. Saul seems to be of the "let them play thru it" camp....and it's been dreadful. 7-0, 8-0 runs quickly escalate to 14-0 and 17-0 runs. Something has to be done to figure out to limit these. LuckySparrow wrote: 4) We need to shoot more 3s. I'd be fine with 30 attempts per game. This is our strength - Dartis and KK are strong shooters, Simmons, Block, Carter, and Laster are all capable. WMU shot 25 3s and we shot 22. I agree with this too....to a degree. Not when it's Jason Carter and his 22% who is hoisting 7 of the 22 attempts. Dartis, Kaminski, Block, Simmons need to be the guys chucking threes. No reason Dartis/Kaminski don't combine for around 14-17 attempts per game. That is where they thrive. They occasionally can get to the rim...but they are much better catch and shoot guys. The way you make that successful is with ball movement....quick passes. Too many times I see this offense get into the habit of holding the ball or dribbling towards the rim and getting "stuck". Quick ball reversals and catch-n-shoot off screens doesn't happen nearly enough for me. Simmons is great at driving the ball...but sometimes he drives and has no where to go. Block is still super indecisive when he catches the ball....it's almost like he takes a full second after he catches it to decide what to do. He's a helluva passer...and can shoot (except FTs this year...WTF happened?!?!)....but watch when he catches the ball...it's always a pause. Saul does seem to let them play through the rough runs. I think the reason for that is because he's not a great defensive coach. All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different, call a timeout and get some good offense installed, get Laster in there, etc... What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,754 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 5:21:49 PM  bornacatfan wrote: OU_Country wrote: Felix wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I just looked at the MAC standings and saw that Western is the worst team in the league. Are we getting our ROI on 550K? No, we are not getting our ROI! It's hard to believe that we couldn't have offered someone much less to produce the same results. Phillips still has a lot of work to do. Since you are clearly a basketball genius, name three better coaches we could have/should have chosen from when Jim Christian left. The only thing I miss about Groce compared to Saul is style of play, and much of that had to do with who his PG was. That's it. This guy and his family are an outstanding fit for Athens and Ohio University. This staff has yet to recruit a bad egg, and they went to the MAC Semi's in year two. Tony's injury is a killer to any team, and any coaching staff. If you can't see that, and how it massively changes the season, I don't know what else to say. With Tony, this team had legit NCAA aspirations. Without him, the road is tougher, but it's still possible. Last year they were playing their best hoops at the end of the year. If they do the same this year, it's still possible. Thanks Ry As usual, when I saw this I typed out a well constructed and thoughtful response about the douchiness of repetitively using the 550K as a stick to beat Saul with as has been done following the Iona, EMU and WKU losses by this same poster. I looked at the character that has been recruited in the members of this team, the classroom performance, the diligence in recruiting and the loss of Tone. I had about a small novel constructed as to how well this coach and staff have done in righting the ship and ensuring movement forward to continue the trajectory up since I first got here in 07. You summarized it nicely. I usually have a 24 hour rule so I was happy to see you took the time. In the interim I took the time to look and scour tO$U, Indiana, Illinois, Butler and a few other boards where hoopheads reside and have teams currently in a funk. NO ONE has a thread or even a poster contributing where they are questioning the salary. ALL have coaches making over 2 million dollars per year but they understand the value of the position in THEIR university and how competitive they want to be. THey understand the value of a coach and while the fanbase will criticize every minute detail of a performance and lust for blood and a place to affix blame ....they all know the money to hire a decent coach is part of the program and plan. What are we getting for our 550K?, Good students (No bert, ernies or AB's, no domestic abuse, no dismissals and failed drug tests, no one leaving for funerals and not returning, no chasing around to classes or assigning adults to follow and ensure the kids get there among other things) Good character athletes that represent us well and we as a fanbase can be proud of, Good sportsmen. We are still competitive despite the challenges of personnel and injuries,we have a good steward of the program that loves the U...the only thing we still have is the challenge of closing out games and living up to the expectations of the fanbase. Saul wants to succeed and stay here enjoying the Athens community and coaching at Ohio.....unless we start becoming one of those deplorable fanbases and hanging his salary over his head and beating him with it. Talk about the game and decisions and lack of player execution or motivation and recruiting gaffes. Talk about how it is coaches fault and there is no offense and the defense has no Identity like they ..do at Illinois..but the salary is off limits IMHO as it is the reality of what it takes to compete no matter who you sre in these 351 schools ....lest you think we should cut it a couple hundred grand and find us an up and comer on the cheap. Douchiness. Classy. Of course, you're the first to cry foul and say "I'm gonna take my ball elsewhere" whenever anyone criticizes you. Then you disappear for about 48 hours before bringing your "BBIQ" back to us all. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 10:00:59 PM  Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 10:09:21 PM  cc-cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 That's bull**** CC. I'm talking about salaries for our highest paid employees not scholarships for students who we all hope will better society in the future. I know that's a foreign concept in one of the most regressive states in America as far as individual rights go. Last Edited: 2/2/2017 8:31:36 AM by Alan Swank Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,821 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 10:19:22 PM  So who got a free ride on your dollar that should thank you? Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 10:41:55 PM  cc-cat wrote: So who got a free ride on your dollar that should thank you? No one should thank me or any of the tax payers in Ohio personally. That was clearly not my point. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,485 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 11:14:04 PM  bornacatfan wrote: OU_Country wrote: Felix wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I just looked at the MAC standings and saw that Western is the worst team in the league. Are we getting our ROI on 550K? No, we are not getting our ROI! It's hard to believe that we couldn't have offered someone much less to produce the same results. Phillips still has a lot of work to do. Since you are clearly a basketball genius, name three better coaches we could have/should have chosen from when Jim Christian left. The only thing I miss about Groce compared to Saul is style of play, and much of that had to do with who his PG was. That's it. This guy and his family are an outstanding fit for Athens and Ohio University. This staff has yet to recruit a bad egg, and they went to the MAC Semi's in year two. Tony's injury is a killer to any team, and any coaching staff. If you can't see that, and how it massively changes the season, I don't know what else to say. With Tony, this team had legit NCAA aspirations. Without him, the road is tougher, but it's still possible. Last year they were playing their best hoops at the end of the year. If they do the same this year, it's still possible. Thanks Ry As usual, when I saw this I typed out a well constructed and thoughtful response about the douchiness of repetitively using the 550K as a stick to beat Saul with as has been done following the Iona, EMU and WKU losses by this same poster. I looked at the character that has been recruited in the members of this team, the classroom performance, the diligence in recruiting and the loss of Tone. I had about a small novel constructed as to how well this coach and staff have done in righting the ship and ensuring movement forward to continue the trajectory up since I first got here in 07. You summarized it nicely. I usually have a 24 hour rule so I was happy to see you took the time. In the interim I took the time to look and scour tO$U, Indiana, Illinois, Butler and a few other boards where hoopheads reside and have teams currently in a funk. NO ONE has a thread or even a poster contributing where they are questioning the salary. ALL have coaches making over 2 million dollars per year but they understand the value of the position in THEIR university and how competitive they want to be. THey understand the value of a coach and while the fanbase will criticize every minute detail of a performance and lust for blood and a place to affix blame ....they all know the money to hire a decent coach is part of the program and plan. What are we getting for our 550K?, Good students (No bert, ernies or AB's, no domestic abuse, no dismissals and failed drug tests, no one leaving for funerals and not returning, no chasing around to classes or assigning adults to follow and ensure the kids get there among other things) Good character athletes that represent us well and we as a fanbase can be proud of, Good sportsmen. We are still competitive despite the challenges of personnel and injuries,we have a good steward of the program that loves the U...the only thing we still have is the challenge of closing out games and living up to the expectations of the fanbase. Saul wants to succeed and stay here enjoying the Athens community and coaching at Ohio.....unless we start becoming one of those deplorable fanbases and hanging his salary over his head and beating him with it. Talk about the game and decisions and lack of player execution or motivation and recruiting gaffes. Talk about how it is coaches fault and there is no offense and the defense has no Identity like they ..do at Illinois..but the salary is off limits IMHO as it is the reality of what it takes to compete no matter who you sre in these 351 schools ....lest you think we should cut it a couple hundred grand and find us an up and comer on the cheap. In fairness thanks to a former player and coach we no longer test for recreational drug use. Just a clarification. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/1/2017 11:55:05 PM  SBH wrote: bornacatfan wrote: OU_Country wrote: Felix wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I just looked at the MAC standings and saw that Western is the worst team in the league. Are we getting our ROI on 550K? No, we are not getting our ROI! It's hard to believe that we couldn't have offered someone much less to produce the same results. Phillips still has a lot of work to do. Since you are clearly a basketball genius, name three better coaches we could have/should have chosen from when Jim Christian left. The only thing I miss about Groce compared to Saul is style of play, and much of that had to do with who his PG was. That's it. This guy and his family are an outstanding fit for Athens and Ohio University. This staff has yet to recruit a bad egg, and they went to the MAC Semi's in year two. Tony's injury is a killer to any team, and any coaching staff. If you can't see that, and how it massively changes the season, I don't know what else to say. With Tony, this team had legit NCAA aspirations. Without him, the road is tougher, but it's still possible. Last year they were playing their best hoops at the end of the year. If they do the same this year, it's still possible. Thanks Ry As usual, when I saw this I typed out a well constructed and thoughtful response about the douchiness of repetitively using the 550K as a stick to beat Saul with as has been done following the Iona, EMU and WKU losses by this same poster. I looked at the character that has been recruited in the members of this team, the classroom performance, the diligence in recruiting and the loss of Tone. I had about a small novel constructed as to how well this coach and staff have done in righting the ship and ensuring movement forward to continue the trajectory up since I first got here in 07. You summarized it nicely. I usually have a 24 hour rule so I was happy to see you took the time. In the interim I took the time to look and scour tO$U, Indiana, Illinois, Butler and a few other boards where hoopheads reside and have teams currently in a funk. NO ONE has a thread or even a poster contributing where they are questioning the salary. ALL have coaches making over 2 million dollars per year but they understand the value of the position in THEIR university and how competitive they want to be. THey understand the value of a coach and while the fanbase will criticize every minute detail of a performance and lust for blood and a place to affix blame ....they all know the money to hire a decent coach is part of the program and plan. What are we getting for our 550K?, Good students (No bert, ernies or AB's, no domestic abuse, no dismissals and failed drug tests, no one leaving for funerals and not returning, no chasing around to classes or assigning adults to follow and ensure the kids get there among other things) Good character athletes that represent us well and we as a fanbase can be proud of, Good sportsmen. We are still competitive despite the challenges of personnel and injuries,we have a good steward of the program that loves the U...the only thing we still have is the challenge of closing out games and living up to the expectations of the fanbase. Saul wants to succeed and stay here enjoying the Athens community and coaching at Ohio.....unless we start becoming one of those deplorable fanbases and hanging his salary over his head and beating him with it. Talk about the game and decisions and lack of player execution or motivation and recruiting gaffes. Talk about how it is coaches fault and there is no offense and the defense has no Identity like they ..do at Illinois..but the salary is off limits IMHO as it is the reality of what it takes to compete no matter who you sre in these 351 schools ....lest you think we should cut it a couple hundred grand and find us an up and comer on the cheap. Douchiness. Classy. Of course, you're the first to cry foul and say "I'm gonna take my ball elsewhere" whenever anyone criticizes you. Then you disappear for about 48 hours before bringing your "BBIQ" back to us all. In this case, the douche-like comment is yours, sir. Your comments have no bearing on the thread. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 12:04:49 AM  Alan Swank wrote: cc-cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 That's bull**** CC. I'm talking about salaries for our highest paid employees not scholarships for students who we all hope will better society in the future. I know that's a foreign concept in one of the most regressive states in America as far as individual rights go. Why on Earth do we need to bring this to this forum? What does it have to do with Ohio Basketball or this thread? Last Edited: 2/2/2017 9:42:59 AM by OU_Country Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 12:09:21 AM  LuckySparrow wrote: All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different Well, back to in game strategy observations. Live by the 3, die by Man D? Have we seen a zone all year? RS Bobcat Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 12:16:42 AM  RSBobcat wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different Well, back to in game strategy observations. Live by the 3, die by Man D? Have we seen a zone all year? I wish they'd try some version of one for an occasional curveball. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 8:32:20 AM  OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: cc-cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 That's bull**** CC. I'm talking about salaries for our highest paid employees not scholarships for students who we all hope will better society in the future. I know that's a foreign concept in one of the most regressive states in America as far as individual rights go. http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2017/02/protest-trum... Why on Earth do we need to bring this to this forum? What does it have to do with Ohio Basketball or this thread? My mistake - double posted with a cut and paste. Has now been edited out. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 9:42:39 AM  Alan Swank wrote: OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: cc-cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 That's bull**** CC. I'm talking about salaries for our highest paid employees not scholarships for students who we all hope will better society in the future. I know that's a foreign concept in one of the most regressive states in America as far as individual rights go. Why on Earth do we need to bring this to this forum? What does it have to do with Ohio Basketball or this thread? My mistake - double posted with a cut and paste. Has now been edited out. Thanks - next time I'll choose to send a PM, and tone down the reactionary approach with politics on here. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 10:05:24 AM  OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: OU_Country wrote: Alan Swank wrote: cc-cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: These are my tax dollars and I think we are paying too much. That's my opinion and I have skin in the game since 1973. You don't and got a free ride on my tax dollars so thanks might be in order rather than criticism. Yea. In fact every athlete on scholarship and every OHIO student that gets any aid from the state should be required to come by and wash your feet before receiving their diploma. 😂😂 That's bull**** CC. I'm talking about salaries for our highest paid employees not scholarships for students who we all hope will better society in the future. I know that's a foreign concept in one of the most regressive states in America as far as individual rights go. Why on Earth do we need to bring this to this forum? What does it have to do with Ohio Basketball or this thread? My mistake - double posted with a cut and paste. Has now been edited out. Thanks - next time I'll choose to send a PM, and tone down the reactionary approach with politics on here. No problem CC. I made an honest mistake, you caught it and now it's corrected. The way darts get thrown around here sometimes you have to have a thick skin. Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,722 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/2/2017 10:40:25 AM  RSBobcat wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different Well, back to in game strategy observations. Live by the 3, die by Man D? Have we seen a zone all year? Seems like it. We need some variety on defense. Throw in a zone, full court press, or a double team. There were a few instances again WMU where I thought that a double team could have forced a turnover. What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 949 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/5/2017 11:20:04 AM  LuckySparrow wrote: RSBobcat wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different Well, back to in game strategy observations. Live by the 3, die by Man D? Have we seen a zone all year? Seems like it. We need some variety on defense. Throw in a zone, full court press, or a double team. There were a few instances again WMU where I thought that a double team could have forced a turnover. I'm pretty sure I have heard something from Saul to the effect of that if you want to watch Ohio play zone defense, you better find a different coach. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,004 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/23/2017 9:33:19 PM  OUoughtaKnow wrote: 5 point loss to a bad team. This was the sentiment from most posters after the loss, BUT: Just looked at the standings out West. Considering Western being one win away from being the leader of the West, it appears the losses to Eastern, Central and Toledo were to lousier teams! MAC basketball in 2017 is a bit wacky! After watching the Flashes take care of the Zips on the road I am certainly looking forward to being in the MAC Center to see how the improved Bobcats do in the match-up with the improving Flashes. This will be a very good test to see if the Bobcats are Cleveland Ready. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 20 Thread: Western Michigan    Posted: 2/23/2017 11:59:35 PM  mcbin wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: RSBobcat wrote: LuckySparrow wrote: All we run is a straight up man to man D. KK is definitely a liability on defense and without Tony in the middle, we're pretty vulnerable. Still... try something different Well, back to in game strategy observations. Live by the 3, die by Man D? Have we seen a zone all year? Seems like it. We need some variety on defense. Throw in a zone, full court press, or a double team. There were a few instances again WMU where I thought that a double team could have forced a turnover. I'm pretty sure I have heard something from Saul to the effect of that if you want to watch Ohio play zone defense, you better find a different coach. Since the thread was brought back...I'm on the side of the idea of having the ability to have a 'change up' form of defense, whatever that may be. Zone, press, double team/trap for the corners. Something that, for maybe 5-6 possessions a game is a different look that could change a game, stop runs. Back to Top Showing Replies:   76 - 100  of 100 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 165 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 165 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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