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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  Another dishonorable college basketball season
   Posted: 4/10/2016 10:04:04 AM 
Gene Collier: Another (dishonorable) college basketball season has come and gone
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/gene-collier/2016/04/1...

Great take from Pittsburgh's Gene Collier.
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   Posted: 4/10/2016 11:05:09 AM 
taht is a good take. THe problem with NC is s sticky one. The NCAA has no jurisdiction. Who is the NCAA to become the body that tells NC that sthletes involved in Independent Study of African American subjects? Who are they to say it is wrong meeting with advisors who give them grades for doing next to nothing and granting a degree that leads to very little chance of future employment. UNC sets their own standards and that degree is on them. The NCAA has no business accrediting coursework. If UNC wants to give a sham degree that is on them and they are responsible to the accreditation body who IIRC has already told them they were unhappy with the local standard. Those 18 year olds just want to hoop and their handlers do not think about the degree because "my boy gonna be the next Michael Jordan". There is no thought about the future.

THe bad part of that is that the P5 is reaping the benefit of the sham and are the ones making the rules. The folks like OHIO and similar that have a real stake in evening the playing feild do not have a choice or a voice in how College athletics are administrated. Just silly followers shaking their heads and wagging their fingers with no money and no clout.

Roy does not expect anything, Nor should he, as the athletes know they are in a sham major with no job prospects down the line. AND they don't care. The NCAA has no dog in this fight as far as being an enforcer of academic standards. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/151...

We Have heard from OHIO independent studies grads who used the program to good effect and have benefitted in their professional lives. I do not think the athletes at UNC are receiving the same guidance and path.

Stallings will be happy to get more and better players than he could at Vandy....just like Akron, NIU and BG can do in the MAC compared to OHIO and Fiami.

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   Posted: 4/10/2016 3:47:47 PM 
Borna, I always thought the big boys would split off and do their own thing, but they really need us to perpetuate the dream/scam. The small chance that a Butler could win it is really what makes March Madness and brings in the coin. You're right about the NCAA having no business policing curriculum and it's on NC to shoulder the blame and fallout for their actions. But the sad reality is that the average NC grad does not feel shame about what happened. They think it's just a bunch of dumb athletes and it's the price you pay to win. It doesn't shame their sheepskin. I don't agree and would not welcome that situation at Ohio University. It's a top down decision. The chancellor at NC and Louisville condone it and look the other way because the big money that supports the university wants it. Look no further than Rick Pitino.

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   Posted: 4/10/2016 8:24:56 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Borna, I always thought the big boys would split off and do their own thing, but they really need us to perpetuate the dream/scam. The small chance that a Butler could win it is really what makes March Madness and brings in the coin. You're right about the NCAA having no business policing curriculum and it's on NC to shoulder the blame and fallout for their actions. But the sad reality is that the average NC grad does not feel shame about what happened. They think it's just a bunch of dumb athletes and it's the price you pay to win. It doesn't shame their sheepskin. I don't agree and would not welcome that situation at Ohio University. It's a top down decision. The chancellor at NC and Louisville condone it and look the other way because the big money that supports the university wants it. Look no further than Rick Pitino.



The ironic part is that by bringing in the athletes that have no interest in getting an education the school is bettering it's academic standing by winning more basketball games. Applications will skyrocket. And unfortunately, as you mentioned, only a very small portion of the students care.

The only part that I disagree with Collier on is the point about the players getting nothing. My oldest is currently looking at schools and where he goes will depend a lot on how much money he gets. We just hit Carnegie Mellon, Case Western and RPI over Spring Break. Not many swimmers get full scholarships but he'll get some help depending on how well he swims this summer and next season. But the help he does get will be a big help and he'll end up with a great education and won't have the same burden that other students might coming out. I've heard people argue that these kids don't appreciate the education and all I have to say is that it's a shame. But that's also on them. Essentially they are being written a big fat check and are not interested in cashing it. Their loss.
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   Posted: 4/11/2016 1:57:29 PM 
OUVan wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Borna, I always thought the big boys would split off and do their own thing, but they really need us to perpetuate the dream/scam. The small chance that a Butler could win it is really what makes March Madness and brings in the coin. You're right about the NCAA having no business policing curriculum and it's on NC to shoulder the blame and fallout for their actions. But the sad reality is that the average NC grad does not feel shame about what happened. They think it's just a bunch of dumb athletes and it's the price you pay to win. It doesn't shame their sheepskin. I don't agree and would not welcome that situation at Ohio University. It's a top down decision. The chancellor at NC and Louisville condone it and look the other way because the big money that supports the university wants it. Look no further than Rick Pitino.



The ironic part is that by bringing in the athletes that have no interest in getting an education the school is bettering it's academic standing by winning more basketball games. Applications will skyrocket. And unfortunately, as you mentioned, only a very small portion of the students care.

The only part that I disagree with Collier on is the point about the players getting nothing. My oldest is currently looking at schools and where he goes will depend a lot on how much money he gets. We just hit Carnegie Mellon, Case Western and RPI over Spring Break. Not many swimmers get full scholarships but he'll get some help depending on how well he swims this summer and next season. But the help he does get will be a big help and he'll end up with a great education and won't have the same burden that other students might coming out. I've heard people argue that these kids don't appreciate the education and all I have to say is that it's a shame. But that's also on them. Essentially they are being written a big fat check and are not interested in cashing it. Their loss.


I would argue that those student-athletes competing in sports other than football and men's basketball that have no true, clear professional athletic prospects (and high dollar earning potential for it) after college are very focused on their academics and earning a legitimate degree to serve them in life. Swimmers, runners, etc. usually are in very challenging fields and know the full value of trading their athletic abilities for a degree. They're there to "play school" as much as field hockey or golf. Sure there is the WNBA, PGA, Olympic potential but like the NCAA commercial says, "most will go pro in something other than sports."

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   Posted: 4/11/2016 2:07:40 PM 
Van, I agree with you. They were given an opportunity and they wasted it. It happens all the time and sing no sad songs for them. The blame lies with the chancellor and the deans. They set the tone. I do believe it tarnishes the value of the education when you admit and help kids who don't belong there stay afloat for reasons other than merit. Without a minor league and the big money incentive, it will not go away. I would rather see the kids who can't hack it have some kind of campus job while they were on the team. At least that's honest.
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   Posted: 4/11/2016 2:23:51 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:


I would argue that those student-athletes competing in sports other than football and men's basketball that have no true, clear professional athletic prospects (and high dollar earning potential for it) after college are very focused on their academics and earning a legitimate degree to serve them in life. Swimmers, runners, etc. usually are in very challenging fields and know the full value of trading their athletic abilities for a degree. They're there to "play school" as much as field hockey or golf. Sure there is the WNBA, PGA, Olympic potential but like the NCAA commercial says, "most will go pro in something other than sports."


I would argue that even the football and basketball students have very little true, clear athletic prospects in their future. The number of college athletes that get to make a career out of their sports is very, very small. The problem is, and the movie Hoops Dreams underscores this, that so many kids that are dominant players at the junior high level are convinced they are going to be playing in the NBA someday. And everyone around them reinforces it. On the other hand some of these kids that might not have gotten an education and have never been around a crowd that valued education might get things turned in the right direction being around a nurturing environment that college can provide.
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   Posted: 4/11/2016 3:30:03 PM 
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.
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   Posted: 4/12/2016 11:36:43 AM 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidridpath/2016/04/11/card...

Here's what Cardale says:
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   Posted: 4/12/2016 12:06:38 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.


I listened to him on Mike and Mike this am

Saying things like "we should be able to sell our shoes and stuff like any other college kid does"...is laughable. My kid did not pay for a pair of shoes after 6th grade till he had to buy a pair in Beavercreek on the way to an unofficial in Athens....I had no idea what the ones he had been playing in for 5 years with 3-9 pairs a year being given to him cost. That Cardale thinks they should be able to sell things he has not paid for in the first place is insane. If he had bought them in the first place it might not be quite as unpalatable.

He is in a wholly different spot than 95% of all college athletes and that entitled ezxperience at a U with a foundation that supports athletes at an unusual expense puts him in a world most NCAA D1, 2 or 3 athletes can only imagine. I say that knowing my kid just got his first settlement check from the NCAA video game case ....and bitched because the IRS took a hunk. I'm thinking ...son that is free money. Take it and run. I told him the same thing I would tell Cardale ....just shut up and smile. Be happy with the gifts you got.

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 12:16:58 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.


I listened to him on Mike and Mike this am

Saying things like "we should be able to sell our shoes and stuff like any other college kid does"...is laughable. My kid did not pay for a pair of shoes after 6th grade till he had to buy a pair in Beavercreek on the way to an unofficial in Athens....I had no idea what the ones he had been playing in for 5 years with 3-9 pairs a year being given to him cost. That Cardale thinks they should be able to sell things he has not paid for in the first place is insane. If he had bought them in the first place it might not be quite as unpalatable.

He is in a wholly different spot than 95% of all college athletes and that entitled ezxperience at a U with a foundation that supports athletes at an unusual expense puts him in a world most NCAA D1, 2 or 3 athletes can only imagine. I say that knowing my kid just got his first settlement check from the NCAA video game case ....and bitched because the IRS took a hunk. I'm thinking ...son that is free money. Take it and run. I told him the same thing I would tell Cardale ....just shut up and smile. Be happy with the gifts you got.



Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 12:56:21 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:

Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.



Yeah.

That is something I talk to parents of all spectrums from dads who are lawyers or mBA's to those who don't have a pot to piss in.... I will ponder that idea for a few days and speak to some of the thoughts over the years. Just a general impression is that anyone who is saying those things is stretching the issue unless they are at a place like a poor SWAC school or Grambling where I know athletes get next to no benefits. When ever I hear it I look at the kid saying who often has the latest cellphone, brand new Jordans and a pretty nice ride. There are athletes who do have money problems but when I talk to baseball parents and other who have to split schollies and partial rides....I have less empathy for those athletes in revenue sports with full rides.

Last Edited: 4/12/2016 12:57:52 PM by bornacatfan

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 1:05:46 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:

Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.



Yeah.

That is something I talk to parents of all spectrums from dads who are lawyers or mBA's to those who don't have a pot to piss in.... I will ponder that idea for a few days and speak to some of the thoughts over the years. Just a general impression is that anyone who is saying those things is stretching the issue unless they are at a place like a poor SWAC school or Grambling where I know athletes get next to no benefits. When ever I hear it I look at the kid saying who often has the latest cellphone, brand new Jordans and a pretty nice ride. There are athletes who do have money problems but when I talk to baseball parents and other who have to split schollies and partial rides....I have less empathy for those athletes in revenue sports with full rides.



My thoughts exactly. Especially after seeing the way some of the Xavier student athletes were pampered (men's and women's basketball players) versus the ones who were not (soccer, cross country, golf, etc.) when I was on campus.

Last Edited: 4/12/2016 1:07:29 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 4/12/2016 1:09:22 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Gene Collier: Another (dishonorable) college basketball season has come and gone
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/gene-collier/2016/04/1...

Great take from Pittsburgh's Gene Collier.


Could be worse, Jimmy. Could be Tyler Summitt:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4701286-...

This is horrid on a number of levels.

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 1:13:08 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.


I listened to him on Mike and Mike this am

Saying things like "we should be able to sell our shoes and stuff like any other college kid does"...is laughable. My kid did not pay for a pair of shoes after 6th grade till he had to buy a pair in Beavercreek on the way to an unofficial in Athens....I had no idea what the ones he had been playing in for 5 years with 3-9 pairs a year being given to him cost. That Cardale thinks they should be able to sell things he has not paid for in the first place is insane. If he had bought them in the first place it might not be quite as unpalatable.

He is in a wholly different spot than 95% of all college athletes and that entitled ezxperience at a U with a foundation that supports athletes at an unusual expense puts him in a world most NCAA D1, 2 or 3 athletes can only imagine. I say that knowing my kid just got his first settlement check from the NCAA video game case ....and bitched because the IRS took a hunk. I'm thinking ...son that is free money. Take it and run. I told him the same thing I would tell Cardale ....just shut up and smile. Be happy with the gifts you got.



Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.



I never understood how a college kid on a free full meal plan that generally involves a pretty significant quantity of food "goes hungry". There's more food in a college cafeteria than some countries see in a year. Yeah, it's nice to have a late night snack sometimes, but I hardly think that qualifies as "going hungry". Plus, can't you use un-used cafe credits with certain outside vendors too?
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   Posted: 4/12/2016 1:27:15 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.


I listened to him on Mike and Mike this am

Saying things like "we should be able to sell our shoes and stuff like any other college kid does"...is laughable. My kid did not pay for a pair of shoes after 6th grade till he had to buy a pair in Beavercreek on the way to an unofficial in Athens....I had no idea what the ones he had been playing in for 5 years with 3-9 pairs a year being given to him cost. That Cardale thinks they should be able to sell things he has not paid for in the first place is insane. If he had bought them in the first place it might not be quite as unpalatable.

He is in a wholly different spot than 95% of all college athletes and that entitled ezxperience at a U with a foundation that supports athletes at an unusual expense puts him in a world most NCAA D1, 2 or 3 athletes can only imagine. I say that knowing my kid just got his first settlement check from the NCAA video game case ....and bitched because the IRS took a hunk. I'm thinking ...son that is free money. Take it and run. I told him the same thing I would tell Cardale ....just shut up and smile. Be happy with the gifts you got.



Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.



I never understood how a college kid on a free full meal plan that generally involves a pretty significant quantity of food "goes hungry". There's more food in a college cafeteria than some countries see in a year. Yeah, it's nice to have a late night snack sometimes, but I hardly think that qualifies as "going hungry". Plus, can't you use un-used cafe credits with certain outside vendors too?



Absolutely you can. At UC, you can use your Bearcat card at pretty much any restaurant in the surrounding area of Clifton, including fast food places that are open late. If you have an unlimited meal plan, I don't see how this is ever an issue.

In fact, I remember my freshman year at Akron and sophomore year at OU, we would go to the markets on campus and stock up on anything they were getting rid of before the end of the semester and quarter because we had so much money left on the meal plan.

And this doesn't even include the team meals that they eat before games. At least I'm pretty sure they don't have to use their cards for that stuff. Xavier doesn't.

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 4:05:58 PM 
the only problem with the meal plans for on campus residents (Fr and Sophs) at OU is that they frequently run from class to practice or lifting and have to skip meals. If they have a 2 pm practice and skip a meal...by the time they are done with lifting , practice and any treatment they are not back to the dorm till meals are done. Add into that the guys who skip breakfast for a myriad of reasons...and you got a whole day with hunger (not neccessarily because they did not have money or availability). Having to buy their own at that point may be prohibitive for some....the reason JG had Muscle Milk and other things in the locker room for those kids who were not getting to eat between the time they left for class and the time they left the Convo.

OTOH...those kids who are living on their own...(Coach tells them where to live and who they are living with) Have to buy their own food and prepare it. Sometimes getting back to the Summit or to off campus housing is difficult and then running to the store to stock the apt with 3 other guys and cooking is hard as well. I can see where those guys with no finance sense and guidance could burn through cash in no time. NCAA guidelines have quite a few prohibitions on meals and assistance at that point especially compared to those Universities with training tables and athlete oriented food programs.

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 4:18:37 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
And then I read someone like Cardale Jones' Twitter account and just laugh.


I listened to him on Mike and Mike this am

Saying things like "we should be able to sell our shoes and stuff like any other college kid does"...is laughable. My kid did not pay for a pair of shoes after 6th grade till he had to buy a pair in Beavercreek on the way to an unofficial in Athens....I had no idea what the ones he had been playing in for 5 years with 3-9 pairs a year being given to him cost. That Cardale thinks they should be able to sell things he has not paid for in the first place is insane. If he had bought them in the first place it might not be quite as unpalatable.

He is in a wholly different spot than 95% of all college athletes and that entitled ezxperience at a U with a foundation that supports athletes at an unusual expense puts him in a world most NCAA D1, 2 or 3 athletes can only imagine. I say that knowing my kid just got his first settlement check from the NCAA video game case ....and bitched because the IRS took a hunk. I'm thinking ...son that is free money. Take it and run. I told him the same thing I would tell Cardale ....just shut up and smile. Be happy with the gifts you got.



Tom,

Can you shed any kind of light on this subject being a parent of an NCAA athlete? I realize that your and Tommy's situation is totally different from others, but when I hear things like former college athletes saying they "go hungry" at night and can't "go out with my friends" because they have no money just takes it a little over the top in my eyes.



I never understood how a college kid on a free full meal plan that generally involves a pretty significant quantity of food "goes hungry". There's more food in a college cafeteria than some countries see in a year. Yeah, it's nice to have a late night snack sometimes, but I hardly think that qualifies as "going hungry". Plus, can't you use un-used cafe credits with certain outside vendors too?



I'll hop in here and say that sometimes it's possible to just run out of time. As a cheerleader I could having lifting in the AM, followed by class all day, and practices from 6-9 or 10 at night. There were nights when I skipped dinner, not because I didn't want to go - I just simply didn't have time to get there before the dinning halls closed; and I'm sure my athletic/academic load was a lot less demanding then a football or basketball players.

We're not even sure what type of meal plan they get as part of thier scholarships. When I was a student, super 14's were not a thing, much less places on court street that took your card like I hear they have now.
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   Posted: 4/12/2016 11:16:46 PM 
Once they move out of the dorms they have no meal plan. On their own. Kroger and cooking their own meals. Much different than Power conference schools that have nutritionists and training tables for their teams....except in Boston where they have team meals at Chipotles

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   Posted: 4/12/2016 11:17:52 PM 
Back on point ...North Carolina http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/06/05/university-north...

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   Posted: 4/13/2016 11:47:02 AM 
The point that Cardale is making rests on economics. There is big money being made by everyone except the players. It doesn't matter whether they are hungry or not, or if their shoes were free. The average person who did not get a scholarship to play sports can't understand the grumbling. They would gladly trade in their situation for the scholarship experience. I get that. That's like all of you being underpaid at your job, but by the way, you can get free coffee in the break room and a golf shirt with the company logo.
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   Posted: 4/13/2016 1:26:08 PM 
giacomo wrote:
The point that Cardale is making rests on economics. There is big money being made by everyone except the players. It doesn't matter whether they are hungry or not, or if their shoes were free. The average person who did not get a scholarship to play sports can't understand the grumbling. They would gladly trade in their situation for the scholarship experience. I get that. That's like all of you being underpaid at your job, but by the way, you can get free coffee in the break room and a golf shirt with the company logo.


Not quite the same, but I get the correlation. It would be like getting free coffee, plus a new sports car every year, and a shirt with the company logo. If life is so hard and the NCAA is so unfair, then just go to college and be a regular student. If your aspirations are professional, you don't have to go to college or the NCAA. It sure is a great situation to get premier training and platform to showcase your talents/skill/work ethic. I don't see a situation where I'll sympathize with the student athletes. I appreciate the work/effort that they put in and I will support them. I do however believe that the NCAA should be giving much more back to it's member institutions so tuition could stop rising so fast.

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   Posted: 4/13/2016 1:27:03 PM 
giacomo wrote:
The point that Cardale is making rests on economics. There is big money being made by everyone except the players. It doesn't matter whether they are hungry or not, or if their shoes were free. The average person who did not get a scholarship to play sports can't understand the grumbling. They would gladly trade in their situation for the scholarship experience. I get that. That's like all of you being underpaid at your job, but by the way, you can get free coffee in the break room and a golf shirt with the company logo.


Yeah except their numbers are way off base. What do they really think they need to be making because of this?

Here's my thinking: how many times has OSU had a #12 that has been a great football player? How many #5? How many #2? Where do you draw the line? So any time a #12 jersey is sold while he's in school he gets paid? What about the #12 that came before him that may or may not have been a better player? I know plenty of people who still wear #5 jerseys because of Joey Galloway, not because of Braxton Miller.

Also, why aren't these guys fighting back at the school or presidents, which MAKE THE NCAA what it is. The NCAA only exists because of its member schools and presidents.
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   Posted: 4/13/2016 1:46:58 PM 
giacomo wrote:
That's like all of you being underpaid at your job, but by the way, you can get free coffee in the break room and a golf shirt with the company logo.


Then this should be a good life lesson to Cardale. You have options. He can accept the $200,000 offer from the college to play sports or he can do something else. If he doesn't think that's acceptable then don't do it.

I work for a company that made a profit of over a billion dollars last quarter. That gives me the right to sell company inventory, like the note pads and pens they provide me with doesn't it?
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   Posted: 4/13/2016 3:42:29 PM 
Van, that decision could happen in baseball or hockey, but not football or basketball. As I said, I don't expect anybody to be sympathetic. Everybody thinks they would trade places in a minute. I had a scholarship and was grateful for the experience, but things have changed dramatically. I don't believe the players are getting their true value with only a scholarship. MAC and lower, maybe. But not in the top half of P5 schools. It is changing.
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