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giacomo
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Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/24/2015 1:46:20 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/q-a-with-coach-k--what-duke-...

In the interview he says that he sees a future of less teams in Div 1 competing for the national title. He mentions the Power 5, Missouri Valley and American. That's it.

He also says maybe that means the bar will be higher and that "certain schools" may have to figure out if they want to be in that conversation.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 9:45:54 AM

Don't know the answer to this but: when/who was the last national champ NOT from a P5 Conference or one of the other conferences he listed? I think he feels some teams will drop out of the arms race rather than anyone having to kick them out. That will be more true of football as that arms race is a lot more expensive than basketball.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 10:02:37 AM

Refresher on the basketball arms race and where we stand in relation to schools in both the MVC and the American...

http://www.bbstate.com/info/teams-hoopsbudget

15 $9,475,690.00 ��Memphis Tigers
20 $8,282,680.00 ��Connecticut Huskies
38 $7,057,072.00 ��Southern Methodist Mustangs
47 $6,541,908.00 ��Cincinnati Bearcats
79 $5,127,543.00 ��Wichita State Shockers
82 $4,767,101.00 ��Temple Owls
83 $4,673,616.00 ��Tulsa Golden Hurricane
85 $4,440,325.00 ��South Florida Bulls
95 $3,873,130.00 ��Bradley Braves
104 $3,233,899.00 ��Ohio�(MAC) Bobcats
106 $3,111,083.00 ��Houston Cougars
109 $3,017,777.00 ��Central Florida Knights
117 $2,816,663.00 ��Tulane Green Wave
127 $2,601,088.00 ��East Carolina Pirates
141 $2,335,684.00 ��Northern Iowa Panthers
142 $2,333,159.00 ��Evansville Aces
149 $2,249,316.00 ��Drake Bulldogs
152 $2,221,203.00 ��Missouri State Bears
155 $2,198,837.00 ��Loyola (Ill.) Ramblers
160 $2,152,271.00 ��Illinois State Redbirds
201 $1,723,156.00 ��Southern Illinois Salukis
223 $1,605,635.00 ��Indiana State

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 11:31:36 AM

We are certainly in that discussion. However, most of the MAC is way below where we spend. Louisville and Kentucky spend 10M more than OSU? That is surprising.

Last Edited: 6/25/2015 11:35:29 AM by giacomo

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 12:32:37 PM

Interesting interview. K was vague abt specifics, but I don't get the impression he wants to run off the mid majors. Will be interesting to see how the changes in football impact basketball. I hope our annual hoops budget level positions us to remain part of the group that has a chance to make some noise in the postseason.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 1:03:35 PM

giacomo wrote:

I would think you'd probably have to include the A-10 in that group as well. He also mentioned the Big East.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 3:22:28 PM

You're right. I'm still confused about the Big East and American. I think his reference point was 118 teams or so, the same as Div I football. Who knows what it will be, but it's safe to say it won't be 349 teams.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/25/2015 9:26:00 PM

honestly, what damage is done by giving every conference an auto-bid? FBS is not a model any sports league should ever consider emulating.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/26/2015 9:56:21 AM

If you look at the money spent by the top teams in the link a few posts ago, I think you'll understand why they want to limit the teams. Kentucky, who spends 16M, has a hard time explaining how they can lose to Robert Morris, who spends a paltry 1.5M, which they did a few years ago in the NIT.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 6/26/2015 10:10:09 AM

A few years ago I remeber Coach K critisizing coaches that used "one and done " players.
Now that he does it to stay "competetive" its O.k.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 7:45:29 AM

Casper71 wrote:

My guess would be UNLV 1990. I try to do these things without looking it up first like we did back when I was in Athens and cell phones and the interwebs were in their infancy.

Last Edited: 7/8/2015 7:46:41 AM by 5KMD

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 9:43:31 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

A few years ago I remeber Coach K critisizing coaches that used "one and done " players.
Now that he does it to stay "competetive" its O.k.

Would he be wiser to cling to an out-moded point of view, to ignore reality?

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 9:47:49 AM

5KMD wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

My guess would be UNLV 1990. I try to do these things without looking it up first like we did back when I was in Athens and cell phones and the interwebs were in their infancy.

You are correct. Before that, you have to go back to 1966 Texas Western and 1963 Loyola Chicago. Marquette won it in 1977 as an Independent.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 2:29:45 PM

7 out of 10 teams in the BigXII went to the tournament last year and this **** thinks an entire conference worth of teams should be shut out so the 8th best team in the BigXII can go the Tournament.

And this coming from a coach who has only scheduled a total of 6 OOC road games in the past 7 seasons, and went just 3-3 in those games. The teams he wants to cut out of the tournament play more road OOC games than that in one season. He's a hypocrite and a coward.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 2:51:13 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

You forgot to drop the mic. That was mic-dropping worthy.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 4:31:51 PM

Perimeter, it could not be said any better. The big boys don't like that they spend a lot more money than we do, yet still manage to lose sometimes. When the stipends come into play very soon you'll see a weeding out of the bottom tiers of D1.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 5:56:14 PM

I seem to recall in 2012 Duke losing in the first round to Lehigh from the Patriot League, a conference ranked 22nd, most definitely below Coach K's line of worthiness.

BTW, here's their OOC road game records that year-

6-4 Lehigh
0-2 Duke

One of Duke's losses was against a Temple team that had lost to Bowling Green a few weeks prior. Coach K is a loser.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/8/2015 5:57:18 PM

giacomo wrote:

I'm guessing that the bottom tiers will mostly continue in D1, as long as their league gets their little piece of the big TV pie. The bottom tiers are playing with players now who the big boys won't touch anyway, because of grades or whatever.
I see more of a problem if the P-5 increases their scholarships(particularly in football) or reduces the small league cut.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/9/2015 2:45:12 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Which is why, if the selection committees had any guts at all, and believe in real competition, they'd use the SOS number only for the non-conference SOS and RPI, bringing in teams that actually choose to play quality opponents rather than those in "power conferences" with supposedly strong SOS numbers.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/9/2015 2:56:08 PM

The Optimist wrote:

I'm no math genius, but I'd be curious to compare budget to wins and NCAA/NIT appearances. When it comes to the MAC and basketball, as compared to the MVC, it seems like they get a bit more out of their budgets in on-court success nationally. Granted, they have higher budgets, but the middle to bottom of the conference teams aren't that far apart from the MAC. Maybe there are other factors to consider besides the schools' individual budgets. Things that come to mind: Media markets, the fact that football isn't a factor, TV deals, competition for sports dollars with pro sports, etc.

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RE: Coach K on the future

Posted: 7/12/2015 5:05:39 PM

And of course I am still gonna beat the drum for the first day to be expanded to 128 teams. Regular season champs and tourney champs. Still the lowest number of teams to qualify out of any championship. I am sure it will never happen but it is the only way to get the P5 to consider playing half the OOC on the road. Once you gain enough acceptance for an expanded tourney by the non P5 schools to push it then they have the bargaining chip to force OOC road games. Even if the P5 expands to 20 schools in each conference then there is still a 2.5:1 ratio of non P5 to the rest of us.

Last Edited: 7/12/2015 5:06:10 PM by bornacatfan

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