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Topic: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

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bornacatfan
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Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 10:18:21 AM

Classic.

The NBA is using the college game to park their kids for a free year of evaluation yet Cuban is coming out to say it is hurting "the NBA"

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12650607/dallas-...

I think he has some salient points and "The Rock" vs "Nike" and other balls are lamented by college athletes (and certain coaches) but to use this forum is the tail wagging the dog IMHO.

I think the officiating is caught in the cross hairs and deservedly so. Call the game closer, take the abuse of the fans who yell to "let em play" initially and open up the movement and get rid of the stronger, longer athletes manhandling others defensively. The initial focus of taking away the physicality will make the coaches teach fundamentals like moving your feet, beating a guy to the spot rather than pushing/shoving/wrestling for position and get a better flowing game. HS teams with no shot clock run faster, better, more aggressive offenses than most college games and get better shots (at least the ones I go to) in the first 15 seconds of a possession than most college teams. THey attack the rim and the defense rather than sitting back and wasting time till the last 6-9 seconds forcing college teams to shoot

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 11:33:06 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

The physical play that officials let defenses get away with in only a portion of the problem; the other, perhaps larger issue is that the 3 point line is just too close. That limits space and driving lanes, and coupled with the physical defenses, just turns college basketball into a three point shooting contest.

It really makes no sense that the 3 point line is different. Ditto the shot clock. It's time to develop uniform rules for basketball, and adopt them across levels.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 11:46:03 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

It really makes no sense that the 3 point line is different. Ditto the shot clock. It's time to develop uniform rules for basketball, and adopt them across levels.

If you want the migration towards more one-on-one play then by all means go to a 24-second clock. I still don't understand the desire to change the shot clock.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 12:04:18 PM

Moving the line back is an interesting discussion that has been surfacing. I think it is a huge jump from HS (19.9 ft) to college (20.9) and then to the pros (23.9). I can't imagine 350 schools full of 13 players a team making the jump because fans think they should be ready to shoot at a pro length basket as an 18 year old. Perhaps using the standardized version FIBA uses at 22.1 feet would be more judicious but having seen many many kids struggle with the 20.9 after "crowding the line" all through HS I think the jump to 23+ feet is a bit excessive. Kids who constantly shoot with their toes on the line are going to suffer the most. Only 2 rounds of players are going to shoot at the 23 foot distance. Seems awfully restrictive to subject a plethora of players to what only a small fraction of the players will ever need and/or be good/proficient at with any degree of success.

This kids going from HS to college are not gonna have the strength to chuck up 23 footers as a rule IMHO. I think it would degrade the game as the big men would again have the advantage they had before the 3 ball was brought into the hs and college ranks. Seems like NCAA, NAIA and such will have to live with the same line so what we see on TV at the pinnacle of the game is going to have to carry over from the UK, Duke, Kansas teams down to the Mariettas, Hirams, Wilberforces and down to the smaller NAIA clubs. The question then becomes...who are we doing this for? The fans? The game? The elite top of the college game? The college game in general? The athletes who are going from HS to what level of college game? Perhaps the FIBA line would be a better option as there are a lot more players who would be able to be successful and would bring the NCAA in line with the rest of the world.

Personally I never had the problem as our workouts were never 3 ball centric. If Tommy missed 2 shots in a row I would tell him to quit looking at the floor , move back and shoot the ball.He always shot with more accuracy once he moved back. Good shooters just shoot regardless of where they are on the floor.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 12:10:50 PM

OUVan wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

It really makes no sense that the 3 point line is different. Ditto the shot clock. It's time to develop uniform rules for basketball, and adopt them across levels.

If you want the migration towards more one-on-one play then by all means go to a 24-second clock. I still don't understand the desire to change the shot clock.

With you on that Van. Chicken Egg story. which came first. I got a strong suspicion teams would play with better tempo if they could get through thier initial sets with better movement and screening/penetration. Shortening the clock seems like it just creates more bad shots. One thing I do like that FIBA does is missed shots with Offensive rbs only resets the shot to like 15 or so secs. Don't have to bring the ball up to mid court so you are immediately in your offense and attacking the bucket. Can't run 35 more secs off.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 2:39:40 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

One thing I do like that FIBA does is missed shots with Offensive rbs only resets the shot to like 15 or so secs. Don't have to bring the ball up to mid court so you are immediately in your offense and attacking the bucket. Can't run 35 more secs off.

Actually, I'd like to see something like that when a team gets bailed out on a foul late in the shot clock. If they don't shoot FTs, reset the clock to 20 or 25 instead of 35.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 2:41:57 PM

I agree with making the three point line and shot clock the same in both the NCAA and NBA. The line is too close and it really is a three point shooting contest. The players have gotten bigger and stronger especially with the influx of players from all over the world. That's gives the defense the advantage. Borna,you make a good point about the FIBA line at 22 feet. Who are we doing this for?

Last Edited: 4/13/2015 2:45:39 PM by giacomo

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/13/2015 9:06:33 PM

OUVan wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

It really makes no sense that the 3 point line is different. Ditto the shot clock. It's time to develop uniform rules for basketball, and adopt them across levels.

If you want the migration towards more one-on-one play then by all means go to a 24-second clock. I still don't understand the desire to change the shot clock.

The idea that the NBA shot clock leads to one-on-one play is outdated. The NBA has moved away from iso-heavy offenses, in favor of far more efficient motion offenses that rely heavily on three point shooting and slashing. The NBA is a better team game than NCAA basketball is, they move the ball far better, and the additional space leads to more shots at the rim.

NCAA basketball's in a really bad place right now. The game is slow, defenses are far too physical, and the court feels way too small.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/14/2015 8:39:11 AM

If the NBA is being hurt by the college game, I assume they'll invest in a robust minor league development system similar to, say, major league baseball. Right Mr. Cuban?

Last Edited: 4/14/2015 8:39:56 AM by Ohio69

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/15/2015 1:45:26 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

If the NBA is being hurt by the college game, I assume they'll invest in a robust minor league development system similar to, say, major league baseball. Right Mr. Cuban?

That's the exact idea he suggested.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/15/2015 2:12:16 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Ohio69 wrote:

If the NBA is being hurt by the college game, I assume they'll invest in a robust minor league development system similar to, say, major league baseball. Right Mr. Cuban?

That's the exact idea he suggested.

No way are those Kentucky kids going to take a pay cut and go into the minors instead of UK.

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/15/2015 2:19:22 PM

Oops, wrong thread. Moved post to draft thread.

Last Edited: 4/15/2015 2:21:20 PM by OUVan

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RE: Cuban on the NBA being hurt by the college game

Posted: 4/15/2015 3:29:06 PM

OUVan wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

It really makes no sense that the 3 point line is different. Ditto the shot clock. It's time to develop uniform rules for basketball, and adopt them across levels.

If you want the migration towards more one-on-one play then by all means go to a 24-second clock. I still don't understand the desire to change the shot clock.

Agreed. Shorter shot clocks aren't going to help 18-20 year old kids become better jump shooters, or change the overly physical play that some referees allow. For the same reason, I'm not a fan of moving the 3-point line back farther. It was just moved back around 6 inches about 5 years ago.

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