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Seriously, they should resurrect Gov Rhodes old proposal to combine KSU and UA into one university with two campuses -- one city and one suburban. In terms of athletics, they could cut the combined costs about 1/4 and probably still have the largest budget in the MAC. When Rhodes proposed this the name was going to be Northeast Ohio University. At least that was the "working title" so to speak. A lot of folks, though, choked on that name alone. Something like Ohio Tech might be more palatable. I don't think that this kind of merger will occur, though, sort of some pressure from the governor's office, which I don't see happening. Ohio politics is a strange animal. No one in their right mind would have admitted Akron to the state system when KSU was already in suburban Akron, but that's exactly what happened. As I recall this was done by a very powerful state senator from Akron, who got the bill through the General Assembly in Robert-Byrd-like fashion to make Akron a state school. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 2:18:43 AM  Ohio69 wrote: SBH wrote: New president facing declining enrollment, significant debt load. Thinks rebranding might help attract better quality students. One name being floated is "Ohio PolyTech." Commence snickering. Snicker? LOL? We should be very afraid. Ohio Tech is a genius move. Right now there's Ohio and Ohio State. (Nobody thinks of Northern Ohio.) But, Ohio Tech... Ohio Ohio State Ohio Wesleyan Ohio Christian Ohio Northern Ohio Dominican Oh no, if there's another school with Ohio in its name our brand will be forever diminished. eek! gasp! MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: Nowinsky Country Post Count: 1,611 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 8:43:24 AM  It think State University of Ohio at Akron has a certain ring to it. Back to Top GroverBall General User Member Since: 12/3/2012 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,241 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 9:01:28 AM  Pete Chouteau wrote: It think State University of Ohio at Akron has a certain ring to it. THE State University of Ohio at Akron? Or does the Evil Empire have a copyright on the word the? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 9:05:25 AM  GroverBall wrote: Pete Chouteau wrote: It think State University of Ohio at Akron has a certain ring to it. THE State University of Ohio at Akron? Or does the Evil Empire have a copyright on the word the? No, they just copyright "THEEEEE". Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 10:03:48 AM  Ohio Institute of New Knowledge - OINK Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,707 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 11:29:59 AM  SBH wrote: I believe Akron, Kent and CSU should be consolidated into a super regional university. Won't happen, mostly due to politics. If you've read Betty Hollow's history of Ohio, you know that OSU tried similar ploys. At one time OSU petitioned the Ohio legislature to force Ohio and Miami to close. When that ploy failed, OSU petitioned the legislature to force Ohio and Miami to close all but their teacher training programs. And of course there were OSU's failed efforts to force Ohio to change its name so that OSU could rename itself University of Ohio. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top MedinaCat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Lakewood, OH Post Count: 740 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 12:44:58 PM  No one suggesting naming rights? KeyBank State, Goodyear Tech, Timken U? Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 1:56:16 PM  MedinaCat wrote: No one suggesting naming rights? KeyBank State, Goodyear Tech, Timken U? There's already a Bucyrus company named "Ohio Poly Tech" so maybe that's the deal. Having the state name in their brand is probably a plus for them. Having the name of the city often has a negative connotation for a university; it seems to cheapen their image. There are only a handful of big-time universities that are named solely for the city that they're located in; Cincy, L'ville, MiamiF, Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, Clemson, Auburn and Houston come to mind (UCLA doesn't count; they have their state in their name). Ohio shouldn't feel threatened by this. Often imitated, never duplicated, there's only one Ohio. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top ozarkcat General User Member Since: 7/20/2006 Location: Missouri Post Count: 78 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 3:08:43 PM  Miami (of Ohio) could actually use the Ohio A&M tag best. It would become Ohio Abercrombie and Marcus fits its profile to a tea, ah tee) Back to Top davepi2 General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: columbus, OH Post Count: 581 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 8:18:27 PM  Ohio69 wrote: SBH wrote: New president facing declining enrollment, significant debt load. Thinks rebranding might help attract better quality students. One name being floated is "Ohio PolyTech." Commence snickering. Snicker? LOL? We should be very afraid. Ohio Tech is a genius move. Right now there's Ohio and Ohio State. (Nobody thinks of Northern Ohio.) But, Ohio Tech... Fits nicely on a lot of tee shirts and sweat shirts. Tougher for OHIO to differentiate itself. Not good for us at all. They can start saying "if you are interested in science, math, engineering, and technology, well, Ohio Tech was created specifically for that for the state of Ohio". You hear Akron or Toledo or Tulsa and you think its a nice public commuter style regional/city school. Ohio Tech is a totally different thing. Like Virginia Tech. Or Georgia Tech.... Genius move for them if they can pull it off me thinks. Northern Ohio is out. There is already a Ohio Northern and it is one of the most respected schools in Ohio. Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,286 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/13/2015 9:22:46 PM  West Youngstown State Kangaroos Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,827 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 8:26:07 AM  Wagon Wheel Technical Institute and State University? That's a shared cultural icon of both schools....... Ohio-The State University Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 9:41:32 AM  colobobcat66 wrote: The Optimist wrote: Ohio69 wrote: SBH wrote: New president facing declining enrollment, significant debt load. Thinks rebranding might help attract better quality students. One name being floated is "Ohio PolyTech." Commence snickering. Snicker? LOL? We should be very afraid. Ohio Tech is a genius move. Right now there's Ohio and Ohio State. (Nobody thinks of Northern Ohio.) But, Ohio Tech... Fits nicely on a lot of tee shirts and sweat shirts. Tougher for OHIO to differentiate itself. Not good for us at all. They can start saying "if you are interested in science, math, engineering, and technology, well, Ohio Tech was created specifically for that for the state of Ohio". You hear Akron or Toledo or Tulsa and you think its a nice public commuter style regional/city school. Ohio Tech is a totally different thing. Like Virginia Tech. Or Georgia Tech.... Genius move for them if they can pull it off me thinks. I'm not "afraid" as I feel "Ohio" will always be a superior name to "Ohio _______" (State, Tech, A&M etc) but I completely agree with you that this could be a genius move. When it comes to names: (state name) & (state name) _______ > (city name) or (directional) (state name) ^^^ Certainly not absolute, there are some notable exceptions. Miami (FL) and USC being the two biggest. Me thinks you put way more importance on this school name thing that it may deserve. Lots of colleges out there that have city names, family names and various other names that are renowned schools including UCLA, Duke , Rice, Northwestern, Columbia, Princeton, Chicago, Vanderbilt, etc that have made a name based on results more than having a state or state A&M name. Not talking athletics of course, but branding only goes so far. I probably do put too much importance on the name. It is clear from OHIO's history that a name isn't everything. I also believe you don't put enough importance on it. Look around... Michigan, Penn, Kentucky, West Virginia... Every state touching OHIO... Seems pretty clear to me that someone didn't do their job in making sure OHIO was respected as it should be. You did raise a good point. It isn't just athletics... I mentioned USC and Miami raising above their name only thinking of athletics but you gave some examples of schools that (for the most part) are known for more than their athletics. It is OK though. I view it as inevitable. It'll just take some good people. I think we have some of them already! Last Edited: 3/15/2015 9:44:50 AM by The Optimist I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,754 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 10:31:48 AM  If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. Last Edited: 3/15/2015 10:39:53 AM by SBH Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 10:50:36 AM  SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. People keep saying Dr. Ping was no great friend to athletics. I'm at a loss as to why that is said. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,707 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 11:08:21 AM  SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. Ever wonder what Ohio State would look like if the state hadn't moved its capital from Chillicothe to Zanesville and then C-bus? http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,754 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 11:36:31 AM  Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. People keep saying Dr. Ping was no great friend to athletics. I'm at a loss as to why that is said. Dr. Ping wrote a book a couple of years ago in which he admitted to having a naive view of the role of ICA in the modern university. He almost bragged about alienating people like Bill Rohr. Ping is a scholar and he held some coaches to an almost impossible standard when it came to recruiting. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 12:01:02 PM  SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. Which is why the BOD at IU and PU fight to keep IUPUI a commuter campus. They use their considerable clout to neuter the University from becoming a full fledged independent body. Their fear is totally based in the lesson tO$U left. Info from the Faculty Senate and professors at all 3 schools. IUPUI is 4 blocks from the State Capitol building. There is a reasonable paranoia never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 12:20:10 PM  SBH wrote: Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. People keep saying Dr. Ping was no great friend to athletics. I'm at a loss as to why that is said. Dr. Ping wrote a book a couple of years ago in which he admitted to having a naive view of the role of ICA in the modern university. He almost bragged about alienating people like Bill Rohr. Ping is a scholar and he held some coaches to an almost impossible standard when it came to recruiting. I'd love to read that book. As for naive perhaps it was more idealistic. As for recruiting, perhaps he wanted more of an Ivy model when it came to athletes and students. Listening to Tommy Amaker and a couple of his players after their last minute victory over Yale yesterday was quite refreshing. I don't think it's an either/or proposition but something nearer the middle would be nice. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 1:54:38 PM  Mike Johnson wrote: Ever wonder what Ohio State would look like if the state hadn't moved its capital from Chillicothe to Zanesville and then C-bus? Actually it was Chillicothe to Zanesville back to Chillicothe and then to Cowtown. Chillicothe is thus both the first and the third capital of Ohio. I've often wonder about this also. If the capital hadn't been moved to Cowtown, a whole lot of history would have been a whole lot different. Also, if the Federal capital and been placed along the Ohio River midway between the mouth of the Muskingum and the mouth of the Scioto (approximately where Huntington, W.Va. now is) as was recommended by a report commissioned by the Confederation Congress around 1790, think how much different this area would be. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,047 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 2:06:00 PM  Great thread. I really enjoy reading some of the knowledge and insights of many of our posters. The corporate naming rights idea is intriguing. I'm sure that's only possible at a proprietary school, however, since many would view such a move as selling out to corporate interests when a public institution should to an extent be a counterbalance to corporate power. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 2:08:44 PM  SBH wrote: If you study the histories of our school and Columbus Tech, you'll note that we were doomed to our fate not by bad strategy but by geography and politics. The state legislature latched on to OSU and to them went the spoils. We had to fight off multiple attempts to either shut us down or absorb us into the younger brother. We also had some very lean years financially and academically in the first several decades that made our school look like a losing proposition to elected officials. Add to that some hideous decision making in the late 1960s and early 1970s that put our near-bankruptcy and student strife on the front page. Frankly, it's a miracle we are as strong as we are. Charles Ping, though no great friend to ICA, saved this institution from ruin. I agree that geography and politics were two huge forces going against us. I don't agree these forces doomed us. A crucial factor to strategy is identifying forces working against you and addressing those issues. When I look at various decisions made over time that have impacted the University, it seems to me some leaders were not concerned with the long-term imapact of their choices. I'm a bigger fan than Rod than most becuase I feel he is taking a long-term approach to his choices. That is not easy to do and I respect it. Sidenote: Forgot Indiana in my most on border states with a name school... My argument holds. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,158 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 5:13:48 PM  The Optimist wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: The Optimist wrote: Ohio69 wrote: SBH wrote: New president facing declining enrollment, significant debt load. Thinks rebranding might help attract better quality students. One name being floated is "Ohio PolyTech." Commence snickering. Snicker? LOL? We should be very afraid. Ohio Tech is a genius move. Right now there's Ohio and Ohio State. (Nobody thinks of Northern Ohio.) But, Ohio Tech... Fits nicely on a lot of tee shirts and sweat shirts. Tougher for OHIO to differentiate itself. Not good for us at all. They can start saying "if you are interested in science, math, engineering, and technology, well, Ohio Tech was created specifically for that for the state of Ohio". You hear Akron or Toledo or Tulsa and you think its a nice public commuter style regional/city school. Ohio Tech is a totally different thing. Like Virginia Tech. Or Georgia Tech.... Genius move for them if they can pull it off me thinks. I'm not "afraid" as I feel "Ohio" will always be a superior name to "Ohio _______" (State, Tech, A&M etc) but I completely agree with you that this could be a genius move. When it comes to names: (state name) & (state name) _______ > (city name) or (directional) (state name) ^^^ Certainly not absolute, there are some notable exceptions. Miami (FL) and USC being the two biggest. Me thinks you put way more importance on this school name thing that it may deserve. Lots of colleges out there that have city names, family names and various other names that are renowned schools including UCLA, Duke , Rice, Northwestern, Columbia, Princeton, Chicago, Vanderbilt, etc that have made a name based on results more than having a state or state A&M name. Not talking athletics of course, but branding only goes so far. I probably do put too much importance on the name. It is clear from OHIO's history that a name isn't everything. I also believe you don't put enough importance on it. Look around... Michigan, Penn, Kentucky, West Virginia... Every state touching OHIO... Seems pretty clear to me that someone didn't do their job in making sure OHIO was respected as it should be. You did raise a good point. It isn't just athletics... I mentioned USC and Miami raising above their name only thinking of athletics but you gave some examples of schools that (for the most part) are known for more than their athletics. It is OK though. I view it as inevitable. It'll just take some good people. I think we have some of them already! We have clearly lost the name war.I talk to dozens on people that don't even know that Ohio exists as a university. I'm not sure what it would take to educate the masses, but we are really behind. Keep trying, I guess. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: U of Akron considering name change    Posted: 3/15/2015 5:52:55 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: We have clearly lost the name war.I talk to dozens on people that don't even know that Ohio exists as a university. I'm not sure what it would take to educate the masses, but we are really behind. Keep trying, I guess. I think you are using the wrong tense here. We lost the first dozen or more battles of the name war, but we've been winning recently. I find more and more folks who know who OHIO is and can distinguish us from the Evil Empire. I think this is especially true among sports fans. The war is not won yet, but we've got the momentum. In terms of the name recognition issue, Ping was like McClellan, but Glidden and McDavis have been more in the mold of Grant. [Charlie was an excellent president in many, many respects, and he brought us back from near bankruptcy with a deft hand; he is a man of great integrity. However, the name issue was not one of his strong suits.] The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. 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