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bornacatfan
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OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 2/28/2015 11:06:54 PM

Interesting.

IIRC..back in the stone ages ... we had sectional on neutral college floors. Well, not quite the stone ages as when I was a kid there was only A and AA. I think we played at Urbana college. Now they are at higher seeds home floors. Seeding sectionals and things like dividing worthington in half sending one half to dayton and the other to Athens is interesting as I look at these. OHSAA site is just spinning and not loading found nice printable brackets to follow. My pops is passed so I can't ask him about the changes. As an official he always had the best info. May have to go to jjhuddle and ask around about changes.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 2/28/2015 11:57:56 PM

Borna: Wasn't it A, AA, AAA?

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 12:20:08 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Borna: Wasn't it A, AA, AAA?

That was the case back in my day in the early 1960s. Athens was in AAA, the largest classification at the time. A few years after I graduated, AHS had a top ten ranked team that was one rimmed out shot away from the state AAA Final Four. Now, of course, Athens is in a much lower division and plays in a jerk-water conference having left the SEOAL, because its teams could not compete in football. Given this past gridiron season, that's somewhat of an irony.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 1:45:04 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Borna: Wasn't it A, AA, AAA?

wellllll not that I am old or anything but when I was a kid keeping shot charts and getting ready to start kindergarten there was only A and AA. Tipp City went to regionals vs London when I was in 4th grade then again vs Lockland. By the time we went to state in 1971 they had voted that year to expand to AAA. Not that I would remember the minutia of basketball or anything. I was following basketball in Dayton area where my pops had coached and ran a scouting service and back home in Indiana where my Gramps and the rest of the Fam lived. FOr the fact checkers. Have a look at the history of hoops in OHIO . OCF....you got a really bad memory. No way did you see an Athens team in the 60's play AAA ball.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/bk/boys/BBSKAllTimeResults.pdf

Last Edited: 3/1/2015 1:47:29 AM by bornacatfan

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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:25:03 AM

OCF is thinking this from the mid 60's when Athens got beat by Columbus South in the Regionals, but AAA was not yet developed as stated by Borna.

Here is a little trivia, what is the only school to win a title under every classification system?

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 7:54:27 AM

BTC -- The gym at Canal Winchester has a big wooden board on the wall which keeps a running tally of all time basketball wins for the top 10 programs. Based on that, I would guess Newark as the school that's won at each level. Middletown or Barberton would be my next guess.

Borna -- the Southwest District, with which you're familiar, still uses neutral sites for sectionals. The Central District did this until three seasons ago when sectional games switched to the home floor of the highest seed. District semis and finals are still held on neutral floors. In Division 1, all games were played at the Fairgrounds Coliseum through 2007. Lagging attendance and exorbitant rental increases, pushed the district to move sectional games out and eventually district semis out of The Barn.For a few years, though, sectionals were still neutral sites. This season, due to scheduling conflicts there, the district finals will not be played there. In terms of assignments, it looks like the Southwest Districts has an open draw for the northern schools to fill three and the southern schools to fill five sectionals which feed into four districts. Those district champions all play and you always get a Cincinnati/Dayton D-1 team in the Final Four. The Central District does an open draw where all teams are seeded and place themselves on the various sectional/district brackets. In Division 1, there will be a regional champ from this District as there are four districts feeding into the regional. Both Worthington schools are Division 1 and chose to place themselves in separate sectionals/districts. The three Dublin schools, though, close to place themselves in the same district and two are in the same sectional. Other divisions here don't have enough schools to create four districts. In Division 2, there are two districts. One feeds into the Athens Regional and the other into the Dayton Regional. This year -- and most years -- the top two seeds place themselves in the opposite half of the same district bracket. They choose the one which feeds into Athens which is perceived to be weaker than the one feeding into Dayton.

Last Edited: 3/1/2015 7:58:43 AM by Joe McKinley

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 9:13:32 AM

gerrymandering of a sort.

Interesting.

FOr years here in INdiana, the indianapolis teams went to the South semi states assuring themselves of a clear road to State not having to face the North Central Conference which spans from Richmond on the East border to Lafayette on the West.

Now that they are strong in basketball and the NCC conference schools and their populations have been decimated by Factory closures and decreased populations, Indy has changed their tune sending NCC schools south and part of the Indy schools north. Results in Busses passing each other on the highway as a team like Marion goes south 50-70 miles while the teams passing them go the same distance north....and the Finals attendance goes down as an all Indy final and those inner city schools do not support their own nor do folks out in the towns really care much about watching Indy area schools.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 9:37:29 AM

Growing up in Columbus several decades ago we got an Indianapolis TV station on local cable (QUBE for you oldtimers). Two programs I remember from that station - Saturday morning 'rasslin with Dick the Bruiser and Bobo Brazil and IHSAA basketball tournament games. Correct me if I'm wrong Borna, but didn't the district and/or regional final four end with a championship AND a consolation game?

Last Edited: 3/1/2015 9:38:21 AM by bobcatsquared

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Posted: 3/1/2015 10:10:56 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Nope. We always played regional and semistate (And state finals in one class championship) on one day. Goes sectional/regional/semistate/state. Morning had 2 games and winners meet in the evening. Dichotomy between wanting the early game and getting more rest between sessions and kids not awake enough to play well. maybe you remember winning teams coming back for the night game. Dick the bruiser? cool.

as an aside we still have a drawing for sectionals instead of seeding. Back then the school with the biggest gym hosted the sectionals resulting in an arms race where towns would would raise private funds to build gyms that would hold the entier population and then some.

Joe....thanks for that write up. I remember the old barn at the Fairgrounds. It was cold. Also remember going into St Johns in 71 to watch finals. For some reason I recall being in the Fairgrounds gym in 74.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 10:49:06 AM

reading that list of all time champs .... a couple of things jump out...

it is amazing how many times Huggins Pops at Gnad. Indian Valley SOuth is on there.

also ...one of my faves Cleveland EasTech.....the scarabs...how many times they were runner up.

Bunk adams is on there coaching Toledo maybe Scott

fascinating for us old hoops junkies

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 11:21:38 AM

Each district board in Ohio chooses how they set up brackets, so it's not always the same, and it's been changing recently. In northwest Ohio, for the first time this year, they went to seeding the entire district and then the teams placing themselves into the bracket. Neutral sectional sites have been maintained for now, and there are two sites per district, but I think it will go to home team games next year. One reason is this example: Wynford and Bucyrus (1 mile apart) drew to play each other at Oak Harbor, more than an hour away, rather than playing at Shelby, which would have been about 20 minutes away. The objective of seeding the whole district was sometimes one sectional was way stronger than another and it made for bad district semifinal matchups and eliminated a very good team in a sectional final while another bad team won a sectional title. But this "solution" causes the travel issue in many cases.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 12:53:33 PM

borna and BTC, what confused me was that Athens was AAA at the time in some sports. Upon review, you are right that AA was the top classification at the time in basketball and most other sports. My basic point was that Athens was at the time in the top classification and competed very well in basketball, and at least on an acceptable level in football. BTC, you are right about me thinking of the Columbus South loss, because a friend of mine was the guy who made the potentially winning shot that bounced a few times on the rim and then out as the clock expired.

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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:06:10 PM

OCF...have to disagree that Athens currently has dropped to a "much lower division" as compared to the past. They are Div. II in basketball and were in Division III out of 7 in football.

But I agree with you that they left the SEOAL because they were not very competitive. As you noted, it's ironic that soon after leaving the SEOAL that their football program dramatically improved and would have been the best team in the SEOAL had they stayed. Will be interesting to see whether Athens football returns to the pack quickly or whether they continue to dominate the TVC.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 3:08:39 PM

How many state titles has Portsmouth won and in what divisions? I remember in 1978 they won the AA title.

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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:39:15 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Yea, that jogged my memory. Semi-final winners would play two games in a day. Now, the NCAA tourney used to play consolation games in the Final Four as I remember my Irish under Digger doing this once.

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RE: OHSAA brackets.

Posted: 3/1/2015 6:01:00 PM

Cleveland Villa Angela St. Joe, I think, is the team to win all the divisions. I know they have been Div. I champs and most recently Div. 4 champs. They still get a lot of Div. I scholarship players across the Cleveland area like they always have even though they have gone through tough times and a major decrease in enrollment. It is a shame as Div. 4 schools have to play what is essentially a team that should be competing in Div. I!

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Posted: 3/1/2015 8:02:08 PM

Jeff, you are correct that the division isn't much lower; it's just a matter of having more divisions now than in the past. What I was trying to stress is that the SEOAL is a league made up mainly of teams of about the same size and most in the same division, while in the TVC they are playing many smaller schools. I personally thought it very weird when about a year ago several other SEOAL schools applied for admission to the TVC and were turned down almost immediately.
That would have made a much better league, IMHO.

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Posted: 3/1/2015 8:35:58 PM

Borna, as you probably remember, we used to play a consolation game in the regionals of the NCAA tourney also. I remember after losing to Purdue with Rick Mount and Billy Keller on their run to the final 4, we had to play one of those games against Issel and Coach Rupp before the ride home. The Wildcats did not seem very interested in playing that game and "The Baron" was on them hard. He was not happy !

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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:55:20 PM

You are so right. Just scared up a bracket...was looking at 63 but 1964 has OHIO on it...so if one were to scroll down you will see the consolation games listed. Nice call.

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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:40:54 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

This be correct. I know small schools in the Eastern District have played at neutral sites for many, many years. It helps that they are all so close together and the gyms they play at (usually New Philadelphia, Dover, Meadowbrook, OU Eastern and John Glenn) are big enough to hold two small school crowds. They wait until regionals for the "big-time" either down at the Convo or up in Canton at the Fieldhouse.

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Posted: 3/2/2015 7:45:45 AM

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Love that mention of Huggins at IV South. The Huggins Camp that they have every summer in Sherrodsville is one of the best experiences you can have as a young baller.

Side note, I just saw that IV and a few others like Tusky Valley and Urichsville Claymont are joining the Inter-Valley Conference next year. They are gonna split the conference into "big school" and "small school" divisions. A lot people think the basketball competition will go up, which is hilarious because the smaller schools are usually the better basketball schools anyway.

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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:33:34 PM

Interesting thread 105 over on huddle regarding IV
http://www.jjhuddle.com/forums/forum/high-school-sports-t...

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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:40:48 PM

BillytheCat! Did I win your trivia question you asked above? My response is above as well!

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Posted: 3/3/2015 7:25:21 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Interesting thread 105 over on huddle regarding IV
http://www.jjhuddle.com/forums/forum/high-school-sports-t...

Yeah IV has been jumping in and out of conferences for years over there. First they thought they were too big for the IVC and PAC 7, so they joined the ECOL and got hammered night in, night out. I agree with most of the people saying it will be a good thing for everyone. Travel will almost be a non-issue with all of these schools relatively close together. I think the furthest travel for anyone in the league is about 1.5 hours, which was always normal for us small schoolers.

Last Edited: 3/3/2015 7:26:21 AM by GoCats105

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Posted: 3/3/2015 8:04:14 PM

Lande71 wrote:

BillytheCat! Did I win your trivia question you asked above? My response is above as well!

St Joe did not win there 1st in the A/B classification.

No, Portsmouth did not win in every division, but won a title under every setup, AB 1931, A/AA 1961, A/AA/AAA in 1978 and I-II-III-iV in 1988. At that time they were the only team to win under all three setups.

Since 1927, OHIO University has hosted every Regional that the State has held with the exception of a few flood years and a the War years during WWII

Last Edited: 3/3/2015 8:08:22 PM by BillyTheCat

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