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Quote: There are two types of basketball player and only two. The first type says to himself, “What’s the best situation for my team?” You always want to play with those guys. That’s everyone on the Hawks and Spurs, basically. The second type says, “What’s the best situation for me?” Usually, you do NOT want to play basketball with those guys. I'm sure people here will break down the roster by these terms, but I'd rather use this as an illustration as to why I'm confident in the future of the program. By all accounts, everyone Saul has brought in are "What's the best situation for my team?" guys. Those are the people you want, the ones who make the extra pass, who help each other up off the floor. You can win a lot of games with those guys. Soon, we'll have a team full of them. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/25/2015 10:05:25 PM  Well - there's also the player that "wants it". The ball in his hands. The ball an inch or a foot from his hands. The pass to him. The rim he's right at. The opponent driving in the lane in his general direction. There's at least 3 types........... RS Bobcat Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/25/2015 10:24:32 PM  RSBobcat wrote: Well - there's also the player that "wants it". The ball in his hands. The ball an inch or a foot from his hands. The pass to him. The rim he's right at. The opponent driving in the lane in his general direction. There's at least 3 types........... I could give a lot of examples for my prior point - but here is one that maybe further negates the "two types" proposition. Tone. Get the ball inside. Put it on your hip and make a powerful two step move into the lane "TOWARD" the basket then go up, drawing contact, and if the shot goes in it's a 2 and 1, if miss it's a 2 shots at the FT line and foul on opponent (RE Trent, Treadwell, McCrea, Mavunga, etc.). A whole year to build up the "butt and upper body" muscles. All of Tone's foul trouble issue have been on D, reaching to block shots, not "straight up" D. Get physical - on Offense! Intentionally - with "selfish intent" (and "team" dividends). RS Bobcat Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,341 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/25/2015 10:27:31 PM  I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/25/2015 10:34:34 PM  JSF wrote: By all accounts, everyone Saul has brought in are "What's the best situation for my team?" guys. Those are the people you want, the ones who make the extra pass, who help each other up off the floor. You can win a lot of games with those guys. Soon, we'll have a team full of them. +1 I realize that a bifurcation like this is slightly overly simplistic, but I believe it contains more than just a kernel of truth. And, I agree that this is the type of player that Saul recruits. As a result, I think you'll see a totally different level of chemistry next year. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/26/2015 12:03:10 AM  JSF wrote: I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot. We win more games this year if the ball gets inside more and someone drives to the hoop - period. And stop the express lane drives to the hoop by opponents And just hold onto the damn ball when you got it - or "possess" it while dribbling.......... RS Bobcat Back to Top OrlandoCat General User Member Since: 3/15/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 355 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/26/2015 9:57:08 AM  RSBobcat wrote: JSF wrote: I don't understand. Wouldn't a team-oriented player know (or find) the best place to be on the court and work hard to get there? You can be a team-first player and want the ball. Someone has to shoot. We win more games this year if the ball gets inside more and someone drives to the hoop - period. And stop the express lane drives to the hoop by opponents And just hold onto the damn ball when you got it - or "possess" it while dribbling.......... I feel like there are two seperate conversations going on here. I agree with Jeff - it is surprising that Bill Simmons said something insightful. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/26/2015 10:35:56 AM  RSBobcat wrote: I could give a lot of examples for my prior point - but here is one that maybe further negates the "two types" proposition. Tone. Get the ball inside. Put it on your hip and make a powerful two step move into the lane "TOWARD" the basket then go up, drawing contact, and if the shot goes in it's a 2 and 1, if miss it's a 2 shots at the FT line and foul on opponent (RE Trent, Treadwell, McCrea, Mavunga, etc.). A whole year to build up the "butt and upper body" muscles. All of Tone's foul trouble issue have been on D, reaching to block shots, not "straight up" D. Get physical - on Offense! Intentionally - with "selfish intent" (and "team" dividends). I don't follow what you are saying. This doesn't describe either group. Are you saying that Tony is being selfish because he doesn't drive enough? Or because he doesn't receive the ball down low enough? And his fouls are almost never committed on his man. And even if everyone agreed with all your points I don't get how this makes him either type of player. You are just pointing out improvements in his game that he needs to make. Even the best team players in the world need to improve on some things. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: The Two Types of Basketball Players    Posted: 2/26/2015 10:45:52 AM  (30 for 30 voiceover) What if I told you something as nuanced and complicated as chemistry cannot be turned onto an either or proposition and there's a delicate balance between unvarnished talent and intangibles? What if it's possible for guys like JR Smith to be productive, positive players when used properly and surrounded by positive influences? Last Edited: 2/26/2015 10:47:29 AM by . 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