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Yesterday, in the first half, Tony had 4 rebounds really quick. Seemed like 4 in the first 3 or 4 minutes. He proceeded to get maybe 2/3/4 more in the remainder of the half. When I was handed the halftime box score(also tweeted by The Post http://t.co/eWZezDfWNr ), it said Tony had 4 rebounds in the half. Definitely wrong, and not even close to correct IMO. Now I don't know if he had 8 in the first half like last game, but I know he had 4 in the first 5 minutes, so something was off. I didn't keep track of it in the second half, but looked at http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-201... late last night and saw it was listed as 6 in the first half and 7 in the second. Perhaps this is correct. At the least, it was closer to correct. Does the official scorekeeper go back and watch the game a second time to see if they goofed? Does the home team pay a scorekeeper? Is this a one time only typo, that I just happened to be paying attention to? Anyone know what may have happened? Is a 3pt airball from the corner, pulled down by a defensive player in the paint a rebound, or no? A win is a win, but I keep wondering if we're goofing up our players' stats. Assuming the home team is in charge of stats(which I'm unsure of). I also thought there were a few more blocks than were given on the stat sheets too. Perhaps some of this stuff is a judgement call and my lack of BBIQ is the reason. Now I'm wondering how many assists DJ really had at Ohio. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/14/2014 8:07:02 PM  mcbin wrote: I'm not going to pretend to be a box score junkie, but something fishy seems to be happening at our games - or at least it did yesterday. Yesterday, in the first half, Tony had 4 rebounds really quick. Seemed like 4 in the first 3 or 4 minutes. He proceeded to get maybe 2/3/4 more in the remainder of the half. When I was handed the halftime box score(also tweeted by The Post http://t.co/eWZezDfWNr ), it said Tony had 4 rebounds in the half. Definitely wrong, and not even close to correct IMO. Now I don't know if he had 8 in the first half like last game, but I know he had 4 in the first 5 minutes, so something was off. I didn't keep track of it in the second half, but looked at http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-201... late last night and saw it was listed as 6 in the first half and 7 in the second. Perhaps this is correct. At the least, it was closer to correct. Does the official scorekeeper go back and watch the game a second time to see if they goofed? Does the home team pay a scorekeeper? Is this a one time only typo, that I just happened to be paying attention to? Anyone know what may have happened? Is a 3pt airball from the corner, pulled down by a defensive player in the paint a rebound, or no? A win is a win, but I keep wondering if we're goofing up our players' stats. Assuming the home team is in charge of stats(which I'm unsure of). I also thought there were a few more blocks than were given on the stat sheets too. Perhaps some of this stuff is a judgement call and my lack of BBIQ is the reason. Now I'm wondering how many assists DJ really had at Ohio. Maybe this is just a part of the "attendance conspiracy" Ben. :) Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/14/2014 8:27:55 PM  NCAA Statistics Compilation Guidelines All statistics reported to the NCAA should be compiled by the host institution press box/row statistics staff during the contest. Any exceptions to these guidelines must clearly be documented with rationale provided, explaining why in-contest statistics were not available. Numbers compiled by a coaching staff or other university/college personnel using game film after the fact will not be considered “official” NCAA statistics. This does not preclude a conference or institution from making after-the-contest changes to press box/row numbers. This is consistent with existing NCAA statistics policies involving corrections to any statistics after a contest. Any changes to press box/row numbers must be obvious errors such as misidentified players and this should not be interpreted as a way for press box/row statistics to later be “updated” by coaching films. http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf And it is a rebound on the air ball http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/20... RS Bobcat Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/14/2014 8:35:21 PM  Alan Swank wrote: mcbin wrote: I'm not going to pretend to be a box score junkie, but something fishy seems to be happening at our games - or at least it did yesterday. Yesterday, in the first half, Tony had 4 rebounds really quick. Seemed like 4 in the first 3 or 4 minutes. He proceeded to get maybe 2/3/4 more in the remainder of the half. When I was handed the halftime box score(also tweeted by The Post http://t.co/eWZezDfWNr ), it said Tony had 4 rebounds in the half. Definitely wrong, and not even close to correct IMO. Now I don't know if he had 8 in the first half like last game, but I know he had 4 in the first 5 minutes, so something was off. I didn't keep track of it in the second half, but looked at http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-201... late last night and saw it was listed as 6 in the first half and 7 in the second. Perhaps this is correct. At the least, it was closer to correct. Does the official scorekeeper go back and watch the game a second time to see if they goofed? Does the home team pay a scorekeeper? Is this a one time only typo, that I just happened to be paying attention to? Anyone know what may have happened? Is a 3pt airball from the corner, pulled down by a defensive player in the paint a rebound, or no? A win is a win, but I keep wondering if we're goofing up our players' stats. Assuming the home team is in charge of stats(which I'm unsure of). I also thought there were a few more blocks than were given on the stat sheets too. Perhaps some of this stuff is a judgement call and my lack of BBIQ is the reason. Now I'm wondering how many assists DJ really had at Ohio. Maybe this is just a part of the "attendance conspiracy" Ben. :) Allen - see page 14 http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf RS Bobcat Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/14/2014 10:02:40 PM  mcbin wrote: Does the official scorekeeper go back and watch the game a second time to see if they goofed? Does the home team pay a scorekeeper? Is this a one time only typo, that I just happened to be paying attention to? Anyone know what may have happened? Is a 3pt airball from the corner, pulled down by a defensive player in the paint a rebound, or no? A win is a win, but I keep wondering if we're goofing up our players' stats. Assuming the home team is in charge of stats(which I'm unsure of). I also thought there were a few more blocks than were given on the stat sheets too. Perhaps some of this stuff is a judgement call and my lack of BBIQ is the reason. Now I'm wondering how many assists DJ really had at Ohio. I'm pretty sure the stats that are given out to the media usually within 5 minutes of the game being done are the official numbers. There may be a few adjustments as they go, and you might be right on Campbell. I was following the live stat tracker for media and I think Campbell was listed as having 12 rebounds in the game, but the official box shows 13. Stats are done by the university media relations staff. One note regarding rebounding that many don't realize is that every missed shot has a rebound. There are team rebounds and deadball rebounds, which don't count toward any players' totals. Team rebounds count in the team total. An example is when a missed shot simply goes out of bounds. Deadball rebounds don't count toward the team totals. An example is when someone misses the first of two free throws. Blocked shots have rebounds too, whether it be to the player who shot it (if he gets it back), the player who blocked it (if he also recovers it), another player (who recovers it) or to one team or the other (if it goes out of bounds). Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/14/2014 10:26:26 PM  If I could get the rebound off when my shot was blocked, my career stats just went way up. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 8:56:23 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: If I could get the rebound off when my shot was blocked, my career stats just went way up. Sort of like the guys who miss a couple times and get their own rebounds before they finally score. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 9:32:08 AM  Relating to rebounds, shooting on your own basket doesn't count. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNrehtOZIlY I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,922 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 10:13:12 AM  Easily one the most Cleveland things ever. That and the Dwayne Rudd helmet-toss-before-game-is-over incident are my all-time favorites. Last Edited: 12/15/2014 10:13:59 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 10:36:01 AM  They say numbers never lie. Basketball box scores almost always are fibbing. Rarely are rebounding stats kept correctly, as UpSan's excellent post points out all the nooks and crannies that are rarely known by the people keeping the stats. The best stats I ever get are at the high school level, two days after the game, kept personally by the assistant coach or head coach who watched the tape and adjusted the stats. Everything else, my own stats I keep included, have issues. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,343 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 11:00:17 AM  To that point, (good) teams often keep their own stats. Some even track statistics you won't see in the box score. Things are changing, though. The Sport VU data in the NBA is able to give faster, more accurate statistics. If it ever trickles down to this level, you'd see some big differences. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 11:23:02 AM  I would really like to see more in-depth statistics on assists used. The hockey assist (the guy who passed to the person who tallies the assist) and "assisting" on a guy drawing foul shots are two things that I really wish were in every box score. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/15/2014 12:29:41 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: If I could get the rebound off when my shot was blocked, my career stats just went way up. Sort of like the guys who miss a couple times and get their own rebounds before they finally score. There can be a quality to that....a bozo like me who's getting my own bounds because I'm a poor shot but have a good sense of where the carom is going vs. an ace like Fo Fo and Fo Mo' Malone who was a relentless demon amidst fierce competition. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Gov-Club General User Member Since: 11/16/2007 Location: Conway, SC Post Count: 17 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/17/2014 12:50:41 AM  The people who keep the stats (with computers it can be done with a 3 person team as opposed to doing it in writing when it takes up to 6 or 7) are hired and work for the SID's. Sometimes one or two assistant SID's will be a part of the team. These people sometimes do it as volunteers and sometimes they get paid or are given season tickets. Many times an assistant or a manager will also chart some statistics that a coach is especially interested in. Shot charts to see where an individual is making or attempting his shots. Used to be that the radio and TV staffs will include a statistician who sits either in the production truck watching the games on very small TV's or next to the on air talent on press row. This person is paid. There are a few guys who get to travel across the country and do games for TV. The away team will either bring in a statistician with their on air talent or will ask the home SID to supply them with a stat person just for that one game. A couple items of interest: 1. The stat person RARELY talks during the game. Sometimes he will read partial stats at halftime or at the end of the game if there is time - but unless the talent wants something specifically and asks - he doesn't talk. They will slip a note to the statistician and get a note back with the answer. 2. Now - at most schools they have TV monitors up and down press row. With that there isn't the need for TV stats - the talent just watches the monitor. 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. 4 There is a lot of pressure on the stat crew and it can be easy to get behind. WHen this happens the crew tries to catch up as quickly as possible. I once had Rollie Massimino slam his fist down on my printer totally breaking it. We got way behind. 5. I once let Tark know that Larry Johnson was just one rebound away from a triple double. It was late in the game and Larry had been pulled from the lineup. Tark put him back in, he got another rebound, and he was put back down on the bench. 7. One year Ohio played UNLV in a Christmas Tournament. Vegas was known for their tremendous fireworks display at the start of the game. Now a lot of teams do it but back then it was just UNLV. Prior to the Ohio game I passed out sparklers to the Ohio fans who made the trip. When the Ohio starters were announced the Ohio fans lit their sparklers and proudly hoisted them in the air. Everyone was laughing except the Facility Manager who told me never to do that again. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/17/2014 10:56:34 AM  Gov-Club wrote: The people who keep the stats (with computers it can be done with a 3 person team as opposed to doing it in writing when it takes up to 6 or 7) are hired and work for the SID's. Sometimes one or two assistant SID's will be a part of the team. These people sometimes do it as volunteers and sometimes they get paid or are given season tickets. Many times an assistant or a manager will also chart some statistics that a coach is especially interested in. Shot charts to see where an individual is making or attempting his shots. Used to be that the radio and TV staffs will include a statistician who sits either in the production truck watching the games on very small TV's or next to the on air talent on press row. This person is paid. There are a few guys who get to travel across the country and do games for TV. The away team will either bring in a statistician with their on air talent or will ask the home SID to supply them with a stat person just for that one game. A couple items of interest: 1. The stat person RARELY talks during the game. Sometimes he will read partial stats at halftime or at the end of the game if there is time - but unless the talent wants something specifically and asks - he doesn't talk. They will slip a note to the statistician and get a note back with the answer. 2. Now - at most schools they have TV monitors up and down press row. With that there isn't the need for TV stats - the talent just watches the monitor. 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. 4 There is a lot of pressure on the stat crew and it can be easy to get behind. WHen this happens the crew tries to catch up as quickly as possible. I once had Rollie Massimino slam his fist down on my printer totally breaking it. We got way behind. 5. I once let Tark know that Larry Johnson was just one rebound away from a triple double. It was late in the game and Larry had been pulled from the lineup. Tark put him back in, he got another rebound, and he was put back down on the bench. 7. One year Ohio played UNLV in a Christmas Tournament. Vegas was known for their tremendous fireworks display at the start of the game. Now a lot of teams do it but back then it was just UNLV. Prior to the Ohio game I passed out sparklers to the Ohio fans who made the trip. When the Ohio starters were announced the Ohio fans lit their sparklers and proudly hoisted them in the air. Everyone was laughing except the Facility Manager who told me never to do that again. Thanks for sharing. Good stuff! Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/17/2014 11:50:22 AM  Gov-Club wrote: The people who keep the stats (with computers it can be done with a 3 person team as opposed to doing it in writing when it takes up to 6 or 7) are hired and work for the SID's. Sometimes one or two assistant SID's will be a part of the team. These people sometimes do it as volunteers and sometimes they get paid or are given season tickets. Many times an assistant or a manager will also chart some statistics that a coach is especially interested in. Shot charts to see where an individual is making or attempting his shots. Used to be that the radio and TV staffs will include a statistician who sits either in the production truck watching the games on very small TV's or next to the on air talent on press row. This person is paid. There are a few guys who get to travel across the country and do games for TV. The away team will either bring in a statistician with their on air talent or will ask the home SID to supply them with a stat person just for that one game. A couple items of interest: 1. The stat person RARELY talks during the game. Sometimes he will read partial stats at halftime or at the end of the game if there is time - but unless the talent wants something specifically and asks - he doesn't talk. They will slip a note to the statistician and get a note back with the answer. 2. Now - at most schools they have TV monitors up and down press row. With that there isn't the need for TV stats - the talent just watches the monitor. 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. 4 There is a lot of pressure on the stat crew and it can be easy to get behind. WHen this happens the crew tries to catch up as quickly as possible. I once had Rollie Massimino slam his fist down on my printer totally breaking it. We got way behind. 5. I once let Tark know that Larry Johnson was just one rebound away from a triple double. It was late in the game and Larry had been pulled from the lineup. Tark put him back in, he got another rebound, and he was put back down on the bench. 7. One year Ohio played UNLV in a Christmas Tournament. Vegas was known for their tremendous fireworks display at the start of the game. Now a lot of teams do it but back then it was just UNLV. Prior to the Ohio game I passed out sparklers to the Ohio fans who made the trip. When the Ohio starters were announced the Ohio fans lit their sparklers and proudly hoisted them in the air. Everyone was laughing except the Facility Manager who told me never to do that again. Great stuff. Yes, during my second senior year (ahem) I worked with the SID and one of my roles was to take stats at home basketball games. There were a handful of us and we divvied up categories. There was a second set of stats also being recorded and the SID compared the two sets to make sure they were consistent. No sparklers, though. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/17/2014 12:14:34 PM  The Optimist wrote: I would really like to see more in-depth statistics on assists used. The hockey assist (the guy who passed to the person who tallies the assist) and "assisting" on a guy drawing foul shots are two things that I really wish were in every box score. The 2nd assist (hockey) would be a fun stat to have but since the discussion is how inaccurate current stats are I can't imagine this one would be all that accurate in real time. But it would reward some of the hidden items in a game. Unlike hockey though I would prefer it were listed separately from the primary assist. Another interesting one might be total touches in a game. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/18/2014 10:11:40 AM  OU_Country wrote: Gov-Club wrote: The people who keep the stats (with computers it can be done with a 3 person team as opposed to doing it in writing when it takes up to 6 or 7) are hired and work for the SID's. Sometimes one or two assistant SID's will be a part of the team. These people sometimes do it as volunteers and sometimes they get paid or are given season tickets. Many times an assistant or a manager will also chart some statistics that a coach is especially interested in. Shot charts to see where an individual is making or attempting his shots. Used to be that the radio and TV staffs will include a statistician who sits either in the production truck watching the games on very small TV's or next to the on air talent on press row. This person is paid. There are a few guys who get to travel across the country and do games for TV. The away team will either bring in a statistician with their on air talent or will ask the home SID to supply them with a stat person just for that one game. A couple items of interest: 1. The stat person RARELY talks during the game. Sometimes he will read partial stats at halftime or at the end of the game if there is time - but unless the talent wants something specifically and asks - he doesn't talk. They will slip a note to the statistician and get a note back with the answer. 2. Now - at most schools they have TV monitors up and down press row. With that there isn't the need for TV stats - the talent just watches the monitor. 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. 4 There is a lot of pressure on the stat crew and it can be easy to get behind. WHen this happens the crew tries to catch up as quickly as possible. I once had Rollie Massimino slam his fist down on my printer totally breaking it. We got way behind. 5. I once let Tark know that Larry Johnson was just one rebound away from a triple double. It was late in the game and Larry had been pulled from the lineup. Tark put him back in, he got another rebound, and he was put back down on the bench. 7. One year Ohio played UNLV in a Christmas Tournament. Vegas was known for their tremendous fireworks display at the start of the game. Now a lot of teams do it but back then it was just UNLV. Prior to the Ohio game I passed out sparklers to the Ohio fans who made the trip. When the Ohio starters were announced the Ohio fans lit their sparklers and proudly hoisted them in the air. Everyone was laughing except the Facility Manager who told me never to do that again. Thanks for sharing. Good stuff! Great stuff. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,343 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 10:06:11 AM  Gov-Club wrote: The people who keep the stats (with computers it can be done with a 3 person team as opposed to doing it in writing when it takes up to 6 or 7) are hired and work for the SID's. The software used to log stats hasn't changed. It's so antiquated you have to essentially retrofit a computer in order to run it. But it has become entrenched and nobody seems to want to try and change it. It could be a lot better and easier if only we would make a switch. OUVan wrote: Another interesting one might be total touches in a game. That is tracked with the VU data in the NBA. They also get what percentage of possessions a player gets a touch. So much wonderful data. One statistic I'd like to see: Passing percentage. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Donuts General User Member Since: 9/22/2010 Post Count: 715 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 10:13:03 AM  Gov-Club wrote: 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. That's not always true. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 10:29:06 AM  JSF wrote: One statistic I'd like to see: Passing percentage. What would that encompass? Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,343 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 10:43:49 AM  OUVan wrote: JSF wrote: One statistic I'd like to see: Passing percentage. What would that encompass? How often a pass gets to its target. If it's stolen, deflected, etc., it counts as a miss. Soccer and hockey use it. I don't know if it would be useful, but it would at least be interesting. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 11:48:47 AM  Donuts wrote: Gov-Club wrote: 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. That's not always true. Don't they give out team rebounds for the ones that end up out of bounds? Fouls would also take away from rebound totals as well. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,792 Status: Offline     RE: Box score questions    Posted: 12/19/2014 12:19:49 PM  OUVan wrote: Donuts wrote: Gov-Club wrote: 3 At all times the box score should balance. Missed shots and rebounds must equal. At the end of the game the crew will decide who gets a couple extra rebounds or gets them taken away so it balances. That's not always true. Don't they give out team rebounds for the ones that end up out of bounds? Fouls would also take away from rebound totals as well. Yes, last night for example, there were 42 missed shots (41 FGs, 1 FT) by Ohio and 32 missed shots (27 FGs and 5 FTs) by Evansville for 74 missed shots overall. There were 38 rebounds to Evansville, 33 to Ohio and 3 deadball rebounds for a total of 74. It always adds up, though sometimes you don't see the deadball rebounds given as a stat anywhere. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 24  of 24 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 313 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 313 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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