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Topic: RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

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Bobcat Grad 86
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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 9:20:33 AM

I watched part of the JC presser and learned two things; he has his wife carry the luggage and he uses an "Identity Board" to teach his players.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 9:26:19 AM

Saul purchased a house in Athens this week for around $440,000. Hopefully he consulted with one of our BobcatAttack financial advisors before pulling the trigger.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 9:43:06 AM

I'm also not a fan of bashing Christian. He's gone. I wish him all the best. I hope he takes BC to new basketball heights. Why do we continue to sling arrows at the guy? He did what he thought was best for him and his family. In the end, Ohio University came out of the transaction just fine. So let it go. Let Christian succeed. Be happy for him. And move on.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 10:28:54 AM

Phillips' line the other evening about the proof of his recrutiing skills were apparent with his wife was absolutely priceless. If this is how recruiting at the college level works, I have a bright future in coachinig ahead of me :)

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 10:29:16 AM

I like when message board posts are filled with nothing but commands towards other adult human beings.

YOU, 34 YEAR OLD HUMAN BEING WITH A MORTGAGE AND A CAREER! LISTEN TO ME LIKE YOU'RE A MINIATURE SCHNAUZER AND I HAVE THE LEASH! I'M ON A MESSAGE BOARD! MY CREDENTIALS? NONE. BUT TAKE MY LIFE ADVICE!

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 11:20:30 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I wonder what way ticket prices are going to go and how the people will feel about that.

You already know the answer. Just ask your nearest Green and White Club rep.

So you're saying it's not a coincidence that I got my annual "you graduated here, we think you should give us more money" phone call from the college Monday night?

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Posted: 4/10/2014 11:48:03 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

The Saul enthusiasm is a bit over-the-top. He seems like a great guy, and I wish him all the best. But the reaction on this board is out of control enthusiasm--for a guy who hasn't coached his first game with Ohio yet. I'm all for the excitement, but let's taper back the unbridled love. Give the guy a chance. And we don't do that by putting him on some towering pedestal where the only way to go is down.

I'm also not a fan of bashing Christian. He's gone. I wish him all the best. I hope he takes BC to new basketball heights. Why do we continue to sling arrows at the guy? He did what he thought was best for him and his family. In the end, Ohio University came out of the transaction just fine. So let it go. Let Christian succeed. Be happy for him. And move on.

I have to agree with you 100% on both accounts. Frankly I expect a rough next year or so depending on player/recruit losses.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 11:49:00 AM

100%Cat wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I wonder what way ticket prices are going to go and how the people will feel about that.

You already know the answer. Just ask your nearest Green and White Club rep.

So you're saying it's not a coincidence that I got my annual "you graduated here, we think you should give us more money" phone call from the college Monday night?

I'm pretty sure that was a coincidence since all this other stuff happened so fast and the calls were planned some time ago I'm guessing

Last Edited: 4/10/2014 11:50:29 AM by colobobcat66

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 11:52:46 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

I watched part of the JC presser and learned two things; he has his wife carry the luggage and he uses an "Identity Board" to teach his players.

that was a tough one to follow for sure. I almost feel sorry for JC having to go though it. Will be interesting to follow him there to see how he does and I hope he does very well.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 11:56:28 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

I think the reason people are so excited is because he's being so genuine about the entire situation. I have to be honest, I never thought Christian looked like he wanted to be at Ohio. He may have said it originally, but he was never thrilled about it. Saul at least gives me the impression that he wants to be here and cares about what he is doing and who he is affecting.

Personally, I don't care if he hasn't coached a game yet. I would follow that guy into battle regardless of the situation. He's one of those people that others just gravitate toward. You can't explain it because not everyone has that quality. Most of the stuff being said on this board is basically the same thing. I don't think anyone has put him up on a pedestal yet. No one has said he's going to immediately win games. But in fairness, he's probably no where near a bust either. I can say with confidence that he is probably 100% fail proof. Does that mean he's the greatest Ohio coach ever? No. But it does mean we're not going to regret this decision a couple of seasons from now.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 12:37:18 PM

Drewbenz24 wrote:

Saul purchased a house in Athens this week for around $440,000. Hopefully he consulted with one of our BobcatAttack financial advisors before pulling the trigger.

I didn't know there were houses that expensive in Athens lolz

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 12:47:49 PM

I don't think you can fault fans for being excited about the direction that the program is headed with Phillips in charge. His enthusiasm already has players saying, "I can't wait to play for this guy next season." Any time that this is the case it makes you as a player want to come to practice and get better, not just make it through. When you string a bunch of practices together with that intention it carries over to games.

Not only does his enthusiasm comoe out in daily practices but just take a second and think about being recruited by Christian vs. Phillips to Ohio. Which coach would you rather play for? I'd say probably 90% of guys would want to play for the guy that shows outward passion for coming to the gym. Maybe I didn't pay attention to the media reports that closely when Christian was here but I never heard him speak of the campus, university, or 110 in the way that Phillips has in his first week here. This upcoming year might be one similar to Groce's first year when we played .500 ball. However, I don't believe it is in Groce's or Phillips' DNA to let the program continue down that path. As a former player I am excited with the new hire and I think it is a general consensus around the community that Phillips' is more personable and a better ambassador for this University moving forward.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 1:17:36 PM

Christian often spoke well of our environment and resources at Ohio. He said we had the best student support bar none anywhere. He spoke well of the campus, the 110, etc. He was just quieter in his approach. Just a personality difference. I honestly think the man appreciated this place in a lot of ways.

I too am more attracted to a leader who is very outwardly enthusiastic like Saul is. However, we gotta be careful that we are not falling into the cultural trap of expecting all our leaders to be entertainers. This tendency is showing up in education, where teachers are expected to be entertainers. It's showing up among churches, where the "best" leaders are assumed to be the most flamboyant.

Not all good leaders are dynamic and highly energetic. John Wooden wasn't. Vince Lombardi was. Harry Truman wasn't. John Kennedy was. Eisenhower wasn't. (Wow, I'm showing my age here...but I ain't as old as OCF.)

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 1:46:52 PM

sargentfan wrote:

Drewbenz24 wrote:

Saul purchased a house in Athens this week for around $440,000. Hopefully he consulted with one of our BobcatAttack financial advisors before pulling the trigger.

I didn't know there were houses that expensive in Athens lolz

Actually that's a modest price range for a coach. Grobe lived in a house that today would be worth at least twice that amount.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 2:22:17 PM

yeah, 440k can get you a very nice house and certainly, how much house does one really need, but there are plenty of people who make 1/5 or less of what Saul's going to pull down who spend that much or more on a place to hang a hat.

Question is, did he pay cash? ;)

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Posted: 4/10/2014 2:44:01 PM

McKinney is spot on. There are many ways to be successful and being an entertainer is NOT a prerequisite. I think the guy will be good because OHIO has always been one of the better jobs in the MAC and I am sure he will entertain us. But, there are no guarantees.

My guess is JC will also do better the former BC coach. And, I think he was making progress here. The cupboard is by no means bare but man we need some wing players quick. We have a bunch of bigggs and two nice PG types. It looks like JC was looking to get wings with the jr coll guys. I hope they end up in Athens. If they do, I think we will be pretty darn good again.

Time will tell!

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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:12:35 PM

Casper71 wrote:

McKinney is spot on.

I'll second that. You don't have to be a Type A personality to be successful. Just a different style.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 3:49:56 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

100% agreed. When all is said and done it's going to come down to accomplishments on the court. That being said Saul makes it really easy to root for him. I liked Jim Christian (more than most apparently) but the thought of John Groce jumping in the air on the sideline as Armon Bassett went in for a late layup against Akron in the MAC Championship game still brings a smile to my face. And I'm hoping we see quite a few repeats of Saul Phillips running up to the NDSU fanbase with his hands in the air in Athens. Coaches don't have to be entertaining but all else equal it sure doesn't hurt.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 5:06:54 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

+1 on Robert Fox post.

On the reply to it .... Saul has a great personality. But to (again) take a shot at JC and suggest he didn't want to be here is illogical. Or maybe it's just me ... but I have never equated a coach's personality with his desire to coach. I've seen a lot of coaches over the years who didn't have much of a personality that were enormously successful. In the end I'll judge JC or Saul on their W-L percentage mostly. And JC has quite a good percentage over the course of his career. Hopefully Saul can do as well.

And regarding your last sentence ... "it does mean we're not going to regret this decision in a couple of seasons from now" .... I sure don't think Schaus or McDavis regret having JC as our coach the past 2 years. Winning 49 games in 2 years isn't too shabby.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 6:45:41 PM

Well K jerry and ldb can keep making a case for jc while some are happy he is gone. Let's move on because Bobcats basketball is headed in the direction Saul takes it. I am happy because it is going on the direction that John Rhodes sold us on in 2006. I am sure he anticipated being part of that but in the big picture this culture has shifted and the program is on a really good course.

The biggest thing is to put it to bed. This is the Saul Phillips thread. Let's let time take care of things and get on board . jc Is Now a memory and Saul is n here. Put the focus on what is in front. The past goes to sleep and we're all still Bobcats rooting for our team

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/10/2014 10:37:44 PM

I'm not a JC apologist, but I will say that I recently recalled watching "The Herd" (Collin Cowherds show) on ESPN where he analyzed what something like the last 5 NFL, NCAA Football coaches had in common (can't remember exact details). Common thread was that nearly all the championship coaches were considered hard driving, often difficult, nuts&bolts type guess. In the analysis he did, the so-called "players-coaches" weren't winning the championships.

I don't know Saul from anything and I do see he stayed at NDSU a number of years; had more than one excellent season; and has head coaching experience--so this may be a mute point. My only concern hearing about him and watching him was if this high-energy, off-the-wall, personality type can produce a consistent winner? Does this act get old after time, even though initially it's cool? I'm a huge advocate of the leadership principles taught in the book "Good to Great" where the Hedgehogs run the top companies, not the Foxes. I trust JS did his homework and Phillips has substance, but these thoughts did cross my mind.

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Posted: 4/11/2014 8:14:19 AM

Not saying that the Herd is wrong, but I'm assuming that it was before this past Super Bowl, when the definition of a "player's coach", Pete Carroll, won it. I do agree with him regarding college football. Granted there's only been 3 college coaches that have won the last 5 National Championships: Nick Saban, Gene Chizik, and Jimbo Fisher. Out of those three, I'd consider Fisher the most "player coach" like. And I'll list the last five college hoops coaches to win it and make your own assumption.

Kevin Ollie, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, John Calhoun and Mike Krzyzewski.

Pretty solid group.

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/11/2014 9:50:41 AM

Early on in this thread somone mentioned that Coach Phillips was on SNL last week.

Has anybody seen it and/or know if its "posted" somewhere ?

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/11/2014 9:57:08 AM

http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2014/04/06/snl-ncaa-best-o.../

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RE: Official SAUL PHILLIPS thread ....

Posted: 4/11/2014 10:00:56 AM

Thanks !

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