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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ndour to Iowa St
   Posted: 4/4/2014 5:51:21 PM 
Coaches leave for greener pastures, so should the players. Look at TJ McConnell at Arizona. He was the best player at Duquesne and thought he could play on a bigger stage. He certainly proved that he could, starting at the point for a team that was #1 most of the year.
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   Posted: 4/4/2014 5:59:44 PM 
Yeah but TJ McConnell left for Arizona after his sophomore season . It's very rare to see a Junior transfer knowing he has to sit out a year before playing . I don't believe the ISU rumors at all being that they are pretty deep up front. Now if Maurice wanted to go overseas to play and make some money that's different but no indication from him about going anywhere . I question the rumor mill on this one.

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   Posted: 4/4/2014 7:00:19 PM 
It's too bad we may have ticked off LongDistancebobcat, because this is the type of information he liked to hint towards.

Honestly though, if true, this appears to be in the works for awhile. This is just the type of information he would have alluded to. Was there any?

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   Posted: 4/4/2014 7:59:31 PM 
A-townBound wrote:
It's too bad we may have ticked off LongDistancebobcat, because this is the type of information he liked to hint towards.

Honestly though, if true, this appears to be in the works for awhile. This is just the type of information he would have alluded to. Was there any?


LDB may be LongDistanceEagle by now, knowing his stated closeness to JC.   
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ndour to Iowa St
   Posted: 4/4/2014 8:34:10 PM 
Still here, reading people who are "certain" about things they don't know what they are talking about.  Pretty funny.  Though I do have to give the majority of the BA people props for being extremely classy compared to what I have read on the BC message board.  The level of coarseness that I have read thus far is really frightening.  The vast majority of BAers strike me as very fine people.  I can't imagine posting over there as I would not want to be associated with them.  I never felt that way here.

Everything I have written is a direct result of conversations with Jim.  He and I talked generally once a week, and I visited with him several times this year.  I have always this sitye told the truth.  When Schaus did not go to WVU, he told me he anticipated being at OU forever.  He told me he could envision a 10year contract.  He also stated that even if Schaus left, he had total faith in Dr.  McDavis and felt this was his last job.  Hel oved the people he worked with, the fans, and his players.  He had no thoughts of going elsewhere.

I think Jason Arkley's article today is a very fair, accurate portrayal of Jim.  Those of you who now resent his not being on Twitter, etc., are nuts.  He is a basketball coach.  he is not a publicity hound.  He isn't going to run up and down the sideline, or embarrass himself, his players, or his schools with histrionics.  Those who call this a lack of energy or passion don't understand professionalism.  Watch Fred Hoiberg.  You wouldn't take his style as a coach?

Most posters were thrilled with how this season turned out.  Now he underachieved.  Give me a break.

He called each recruit and spoke with them and their families as he was going through the BC process.  He was upfront and honest the whole way.

I want to know which of you would turn down MORE THAN TRIPLING your current salary.  Which of you wants to turn down the challenge of working at the top of your profession?  No disrespect to OU, but if a professor there was offered a position at Yale, would they be likely to turn it down.  I understand you don't like the timing,  and I feel badly if you lose recruits. What was he supposed to do, tell BC to call back at a later date?

I really enjoyed my visits there.  I saw Jan's Fans and how supportive they were.  I attended the Monday night broadcast from the pizza place and loved how the people support the program.  I hope Wu gets the job, but whoever is your next coach, I know you will support him.. I hope you get the team you wish for and deserve.  But blasting Jim Christian after he put his everything into your success for two years is ludicrous.

Best wishes, LDB, never LDE. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ndour to Iowa St
   Posted: 4/4/2014 8:42:12 PM 
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
Still here, reading people who are "certain" about things they don't know what they are talking about.  Pretty funny.  Though I do have to give the majority of the BA people props for being extremely classy compared to what I have read on the BC message board.  The level of coarseness that I have read thus far is really frightening.  The vast majority of BAers strike me as very fine people.  I can't imagine posting over there as I would not want to be associated with them.  I never felt that way here.

Everything I have written is a direct result of conversations with Jim.  He and I talked generally once a week, and I visited with him several times this year.  I have always this sitye told the truth.  When Schaus did not go to WVU, he told me he anticipated being at OU forever.  He told me he could envision a 10year contract.  He also stated that even if Schaus left, he had total faith in Dr.  McDavis and felt this was his last job.  Hel oved the people he worked with, the fans, and his players.  He had no thoughts of going elsewhere.

I think Jason Arkley's article today is a very fair, accurate portrayal of Jim.  Those of you who now resent his not being on Twitter, etc., are nuts.  He is a basketball coach.  he is not a publicity hound.  He isn't going to run up and down the sideline, or embarrass himself, his players, or his schools with histrionics.  Those who call this a lack of energy or passion don't understand professionalism.  Watch Fred Hoiberg.  You wouldn't take his style as a coach?

Most posters were thrilled with how this season turned out.  Now he underachieved.  Give me a break.

He called each recruit and spoke with them and their families as he was going through the BC process.  He was upfront and honest the whole way.

I want to know which of you would turn down MORE THAN TRIPLING your current salary.  Which of you wants to turn down the challenge of working at the top of your profession?  No disrespect to OU, but if a professor there was offered a position at Yale, would they be likely to turn it down.  I understand you don't like the timing,  and I feel badly if you lose recruits. What was he supposed to do, tell BC to call back at a later date?

I really enjoyed my visits there.  I saw Jan's Fans and how supportive they were.  I attended the Monday night broadcast from the pizza place and loved how the people support the program.  I hope Wu gets the job, but whoever is your next coach, I know you will support him.. I hope you get the team you wish for and deserve.  But blasting Jim Christian after he put his everything into your success for two years is ludicrous.

Best wishes, LDB, never LDE. 

thanks for the reply !db. Sometimes hard to be close to the situation and post calmly, well done. Appreciate the candor. I to have found most folks here to be extremely good folk I am happy to spend time with

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ndour to Iowa St
   Posted: 4/4/2014 8:47:28 PM 
So question LDBOBCAT, if you know or can say, is there weight to these N'Dour rumors?

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   Posted: 4/4/2014 8:51:25 PM 
A-townBound wrote:
So question LDBOBCAT, if you know or can say, is there weight to these N'Dour rumors?


The only thing we discussed was whether he was going to BC and the answer was a definite "No".  I was not aware of the rumors at the time.  
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   Posted: 4/4/2014 9:03:20 PM 
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
So question LDBOBCAT, if you know or can say, is there weight to these N'Dour rumors?


The only thing we discussed was whether he was going to BC and the answer was a definite "No". I was not aware of the rumors at the time.


Are you a bobcat fan or a JC fan? Just curious. Didn't think we had too many non-fans.
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   Posted: 4/4/2014 9:06:47 PM 
the123kid wrote:
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
A-townBound wrote:
So question LDBOBCAT, if you know or can say, is there weight to these N'Dour rumors?


The only thing we discussed was whether he was going to BC and the answer was a definite "No". I was not aware of the rumors at the time.


Are you a bobcat fan or a JC fan? Just curious. Didn't think we had too many non-fans.


Can't you be both? What does it matter?  You want info, I try to supply what I can.
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   Posted: 4/4/2014 9:42:45 PM 
the123kid wrote:
are you a bobcat fan or a JC fan? Just curious. Didn't think we had too many non-fans.

Do they still require logic in school? Figure out when JC was hired then figure out when ldb joined.

I don't care where he is from our who he likes. I have enjoyed his contributions

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   Posted: 4/4/2014 9:48:23 PM 
Thanks for the great info LDB!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ndour to Iowa St
   Posted: 4/4/2014 9:56:48 PM 
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
Still here, reading people who are "certain" about things they don't know what they are talking about.  Pretty funny.  Though I do have to give the majority of the BA people props for being extremely classy compared to what I have read on the BC message board.  The level of coarseness that I have read thus far is really frightening.  The vast majority of BAers strike me as very fine people.  I can't imagine posting over there as I would not want to be associated with them.  I never felt that way here.

Everything I have written is a direct result of conversations with Jim.  He and I talked generally once a week, and I visited with him several times this year.  I have always this sitye told the truth.  When Schaus did not go to WVU, he told me he anticipated being at OU forever.  He told me he could envision a 10year contract.  He also stated that even if Schaus left, he had total faith in Dr.  McDavis and felt this was his last job.  Hel oved the people he worked with, the fans, and his players.  He had no thoughts of going elsewhere.

I think Jason Arkley's article today is a very fair, accurate portrayal of Jim.  Those of you who now resent his not being on Twitter, etc., are nuts.  He is a basketball coach.  he is not a publicity hound.  He isn't going to run up and down the sideline, or embarrass himself, his players, or his schools with histrionics.  Those who call this a lack of energy or passion don't understand professionalism.  Watch Fred Hoiberg.  You wouldn't take his style as a coach?

Most posters were thrilled with how this season turned out.  Now he underachieved.  Give me a break.

He called each recruit and spoke with them and their families as he was going through the BC process.  He was upfront and honest the whole way.

I want to know which of you would turn down MORE THAN TRIPLING your current salary.  Which of you wants to turn down the challenge of working at the top of your profession?  No disrespect to OU, but if a professor there was offered a position at Yale, would they be likely to turn it down.  I understand you don't like the timing,  and I feel badly if you lose recruits. What was he supposed to do, tell BC to call back at a later date?

I really enjoyed my visits there.  I saw Jan's Fans and how supportive they were.  I attended the Monday night broadcast from the pizza place and loved how the people support the program.  I hope Wu gets the job, but whoever is your next coach, I know you will support him.. I hope you get the team you wish for and deserve.  But blasting Jim Christian after he put his everything into your success for two years is ludicrous.

Best wishes, LDB, never LDE. 



LDB, the frustration, if not anger, on the part of some isn't necessarily about JC leaving, but how it happened.  Yes, I understand situations change, unanticipated opportunities present themselves.  But please, I find it difficult to believe that JC NEVER considered the possibility that success at Ohio University might lead to better opportunities, and he'd have to at least consider them. Nonetheless, people including his boss were led to believe that JC was here for the long term. Now as shrewd as Schaus is, my guess is that while the timing may have been a surprise, the offer, coming after 49 wins in two seasons, was not.  Myself?  Well shame on me anyway.  I should have known better.  I should have known that a coach who had a taste of big time basketball in the Big 12 would never stay long in a second rate conference if another opportunity to prove himself on the big stage came along.  By the way, if JC really has such great feeling for this school and his bosses, and is as concerned about improving the schedule as Arkley indicated, then he should agree to schedule a home-and-home over the next 2 years.  We'll take our game in '15-'16 so passions can cool down. 

All that said, I felt he did indeed give his all here.  I'm thrilled that we've won 49 games over the last 2 years, and we did so without cutting corners, and with the only problem being 1 player who just didn't like JC.  I never saw this team quit.  I did see great chemistry.  I know that doesn't happen by accident.  And if JC had stayed, and his recruits came to campus as scheduled,  I think next year's team had the potential to go as far or farther than any previous Bobcat squad.   And from everything I've read, once JC decided he wanted out, he did his best to keep those directly affected informed.    

But as you stated, his departure has caused collateral damage.  A prized recruit no longer will be coming (real glad to know you feel badly about it, by the way) .  Rumors abound that our leading returning scorer will transfer.  Instead of moving forward, Ohio's basketball program faces real prospects of sliding back.   No, JC was not supposed to tell BC to call back later.   But I haven't head  "I'm sorry."  In fact I haven't heard anything from him at all in terms of thanks for giving me the shot that got me this million dollar job.     

The sun will come up tomorrow, though, and the bars will still be serving beer.   And I've learned my lesson.  Despite how much our new coach professes his happiness to be a Bobcat, tells us how he wants to build a program for the long term, and confides to a friend that he really can see himself staying in Athens,  there will only be one thing certain.  Tomorrow, he'll be one day closer to leaving, and his departure may come sooner than any of us anticipate.  

Last Edited: 4/4/2014 10:06:36 PM by brucecuth
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   Posted: 4/4/2014 10:13:22 PM 
If this doesn't make you understand JC's intended commitment to OU, his daughter applied to one school this year; she is slated to be a Bobcat come September.  Do you believe that he would have encouraged her to do that if he planned on leaving?  

By the way, he didn't coach in the Big 12.  He was in the Mountain West.  And for those of you who claim he never built anything on his own, he was brought to TCU to make them competitive in the Mountain West.  In his last year he had done that.  He had the Rookie of the Year (Kyan Anderson), the 6th Man of the Year (Amric Fields), and a 1st team all conference player who he brought in from Virginia Tech (Hank Thorns).  The refusal of the AD to extend his contract made recruiting for the Big 12 very difficult.  Even with all that, Julius Randle had TCU listed among the schools he was considering. They also beat 3 Top 25 teams that season. 

As smarter people than I have stated, you can have your own opinions, but the facts are the facts.

Again, best of luck to all of you.  I will enjoy watching and rooting for you guys.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 12:28:39 AM 
I'm not salty about Jim Christian the man. I don't know the man, never met him. My saltiness is directed at the now former head coach of the Ohio University men's basketball team. His decision to leave Ohio was purely a business decision, my decision to express disproval of that business decision is all business, as a fan. That's all, nothing personal.

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   Posted: 4/5/2014 8:09:59 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
Still here, reading people who are "certain" about things they don't know what they are talking about.  Pretty funny.  Though I do have to give the majority of the BA people props for being extremely classy compared to what I have read on the BC message board.  The level of coarseness that I have read thus far is really frightening.  The vast majority of BAers strike me as very fine people.  I can't imagine posting over there as I would not want to be associated with them.  I never felt that way here.

Everything I have written is a direct result of conversations with Jim.  He and I talked generally once a week, and I visited with him several times this year.  I have always this sitye told the truth.  When Schaus did not go to WVU, he told me he anticipated being at OU forever.  He told me he could envision a 10year contract.  He also stated that even if Schaus left, he had total faith in Dr.  McDavis and felt this was his last job.  Hel oved the people he worked with, the fans, and his players.  He had no thoughts of going elsewhere.

I think Jason Arkley's article today is a very fair, accurate portrayal of Jim.  Those of you who now resent his not being on Twitter, etc., are nuts.  He is a basketball coach.  he is not a publicity hound.  He isn't going to run up and down the sideline, or embarrass himself, his players, or his schools with histrionics.  Those who call this a lack of energy or passion don't understand professionalism.  Watch Fred Hoiberg.  You wouldn't take his style as a coach?

Most posters were thrilled with how this season turned out.  Now he underachieved.  Give me a break.

He called each recruit and spoke with them and their families as he was going through the BC process.  He was upfront and honest the whole way.

I want to know which of you would turn down MORE THAN TRIPLING your current salary.  Which of you wants to turn down the challenge of working at the top of your profession?  No disrespect to OU, but if a professor there was offered a position at Yale, would they be likely to turn it down.  I understand you don't like the timing,  and I feel badly if you lose recruits. What was he supposed to do, tell BC to call back at a later date?

I really enjoyed my visits there.  I saw Jan's Fans and how supportive they were.  I attended the Monday night broadcast from the pizza place and loved how the people support the program.  I hope Wu gets the job, but whoever is your next coach, I know you will support him.. I hope you get the team you wish for and deserve.  But blasting Jim Christian after he put his everything into your success for two years is ludicrous.

Best wishes, LDB, never LDE. 



But as you stated, his departure has caused collateral damage.  A prized recruit no longer will be coming (real glad to know you feel badly about it, by the way) .  Rumors abound that our leading returning scorer will transfer.  Instead of moving forward, Ohio's basketball program faces real prospects of sliding back.   No, JC was not supposed to tell BC to call back later.   But I haven't head  "I'm sorry."  In fact I haven't heard anything from him at all in terms of thanks for giving me the shot that got me this million dollar job.     
  


There may be some fallout with JC leaving, no doubt. But we can't blame Owens decision on JC.  And the rumors to date on Mo are apparently based on a single post on the Iowa State basketball thread.

But to expect an "I'm sorry"??? What should he be sorry about? That he was offered a better opportunity .... triple the $$$, one of he most prestigious conferences in the country, bigger city, bigger name.  I've never know an exec in the business world to apologize for moving on and taking a better job. Typically he/she are congratulated by those who worked with or for the person.  I wish he were staying but I have no negative feelings towards him in any way.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 12:58:04 PM 
My source says Mo isn't going anywhere. Until 2015! NBA!
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 1:14:58 PM 
Bobcat-7.0 wrote:
My source says Mo isn't going anywhere. Until 2015! NBA!


Well I sure hope you are right. Mo staying could help Morillo-Lajara feel more comfortable and just bring some more senior leadership to the team.

Now let's just get our head guy in to get the other scholarships filled!
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 2:06:33 PM 

Ndour can't go anywhere now, I just opened by Football season ticket renewal package and his picture is in the OBC 2014-15 membership guide, so he must be staying.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 3:30:14 PM 
I'm not too worried about the Iowa State rumour. There is barely a mention of him in their board potential transfers discussions - and a LOT of discussion on several other high profile transfer prospects that look very good. They need guards (who doesn't), and I think they would go for players with 2 years left before only one year left candidates - especially one who suffered back problems a lot of this year.

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   Posted: 4/5/2014 5:26:15 PM 
Could sure use some good news ! Hope we have Nature Boy next season!
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 5:47:46 PM 
LongDistancebobcat wrote:
If this doesn't make you understand JC's intended commitment to OU, his daughter applied to one school this year; she is slated to be a Bobcat come September. Do you believe that he would have encouraged her to do that if he planned on leaving?

By the way, he didn't coach in the Big 12. He was in the Mountain West. And for those of you who claim he never built anything on his own, he was brought to TCU to make them competitive in the Mountain West. In his last year he had done that. He had the Rookie of the Year (Kyan Anderson), the 6th Man of the Year (Amric Fields), and a 1st team all conference player who he brought in from Virginia Tech (Hank Thorns). The refusal of the AD to extend his contract made recruiting for the Big 12 very difficult. Even with all that, Julius Randle had TCU listed among the schools he was considering. They also beat 3 Top 25 teams that season.

As smarter people than I have stated, you can have your own opinions, but the facts are the facts.

Again, best of luck to all of you. I will enjoy watching and rooting for you guys.



She didn't live with him for how long, nor near him. And how do you know where she applied, are you that close to the family.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 6:24:42 PM 
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She didn't live with him for how long, nor near him. And how do you know where she applied, are you that close to the family.


Jim said she was going to come to school here in fall 2014 at one of the radio shows. Not sure if it was on or off the air.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 6:29:30 PM 
Bobcat-7.0 wrote:
My source says Mo isn't going anywhere. Until 2015! NBA!


Ran into someone very "in the know" today and he says Mo will be back, and there's likely not going to be any defections from the current team. He said that Mo is probably the last guy you'd expect to transfer.
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   Posted: 4/5/2014 6:49:21 PM 
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