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Topic:  Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
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  Message Not Read  Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/10/2010 5:48:08 PM 
 

Homecoming can't come soon enough. Unfortunately there's not much to talk about this coming week as it looks like Gardner-Webb may have delivered a more formidable match-up than Akron. With that being said I'd like to stoke the fire with yet another expansion talk, this time from a slightly different perspective. What is the best outcome for the MAC (not necessarily Ohio) after the dust has settled? With six WAC teams hung out to dry, rumblings in the East over expansion, and several 1-AA schools looking to move up this could could be a great opportunity for the MAC to reshuffle the deck. 

Expansion in the MAC should serve three purposes: 
1. Cement itself above the WAC and Sun Belt in football
2. Transition into a consistent two-bid basketball conference
3. Improve its academic/ state profile

Step 1: Eastern Michigan is Out (Self explanatory for followers of the MAC)
Step 2: Go South

Searching for teams south of Ohio serves all three purposes of MAC expansion. Coercing Sun Belt teams Western Kentucky and Mid Tennessee to join the MAC reduces their football league to seven. Even in the event of a total WAC collapse where La Tech joins up with the Sun Belt, an 8 team Sun Belt just doesn't seem strong enough to out pace a 16 team MAC.

Western Kentucky University has a strong mid-major basketball program. The have a top 10 mid-major college basketball home environment. They have three NCAA tournament wins in the last three years. The Hilltoppers are the worst team in college football but when you consider the addition of the state of Kentucky to the MAC, and their Tier 1 University academic status, it's a plus for the MAC

Middle Tennessee State University is also a Tier 1 University. They bring the state of Tennessee into the MAC. Almost instantly, the Blue Raiders would compete in the top half of the MAC for football (Bowl Winners in '09). A consistent 16-19 win men's basketball program helps with the stability of the MAC for football. When you consider how critical they are to the demise of the Sun Belt, they are a must.

Appalachian State University is the number three up-and-coming university in the south according to U.S. News. As 1-AA powers they have developed a following. While their competitiveness in the MAC will be uncharted, the addition of North Carolina as the ninth MAC state is more than enticing. 24-13 last year in the Southern for basketball shows that a bump up to the MAC could help this program blossom. The university has just released a statement regarding their interest in going D1. Let's make it happen.

Step 3: Put Up or Shut Up Temple

Temple is not a lock to join the Big East in the event of their expansion. As a suitor of their men's basketball program the MAC needs to remind them of their troubled past with the private powers of college basketball. The MAC needs to express their commitment to a two-bid conference and remind Temple who was there in the Owls darkest hour. Posting an ultimatum to Temple might lead the university to fully commit to the MAC that has a plan instead of waiting for an invitation from someone else operating in the unknown.

Step 4: Marshall/ 1-AA

The final step is not mandatory. If Temple doesn't add basketball and possibly even removes football depending on how they respond to the ultimatum it still would leave a balanced basketball league without Marshall and maybe even football too. Marshall fans don't want to come back to the same old MAC. I'm assuming their administration feels the same. But the new MAC, the one described above, might entice Marshall with the prospects of competitiveness in both basketball and football. The Herd would be a top third team in both sports. They have a great fan base and the closer away games would give their fans an opportunity to travel. Not to mention this adds West Virginia back into the MAC. That makes 10 states with MAC schools, that's just amazing for a mid-major conference. Half the U.S. population would have a relative that went/goes to a MAC school (slight exaggeration)

In Closing:

After everything is said and done the MAC looks to shape up as a North/South Conference in this hypothetical. This is just meant for discussion. I have no sources that would lead one to believe the MAC is actually pursuing these goals but throw some of your own ideas out there. Again this is meant to talk about MAC advancement, not Ohio University advancement.

Last Edited: 10/10/2010 5:48:53 PM by The Situation
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/10/2010 6:55:04 PM 
Add James Madison University to that list. Always a top team in the very tough CAA in football and their basketball program loves recruiting the state of Ohio. Much closer than App State as well.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/10/2010 8:27:02 PM 
Ohio Hoops wrote:
Much closer than App State as well.


Or, pretty much the same distance/time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/10/2010 8:41:19 PM 
I think I hear Ted Thompson's music....
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/10/2010 11:00:35 PM 
Absolutely no way App come to the MAC. How much money would they lose going from FCS championships to pizza bowls?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/11/2010 8:40:04 AM 
AthensBlock wrote:
Absolutely no way App come to the MAC. How much money would they lose going from FCS championships to pizza bowls?


App. Sate has already announced they are looking into moving up to div. I.  Now, could they leapfrog right into CUSA?  Good question.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/11/2010 4:41:14 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
AthensBlock wrote:
Absolutely no way App come to the MAC. How much money would they lose going from FCS championships to pizza bowls?


App. Sate has already announced they are looking into moving up to div. I.  Now, could they leapfrog right into CUSA?  Good question.


I feel like Appalachian State holds the key to MAC expansion. IF they do in-fact decide to go FBS it could represent a larger transition in college football than earlier news of the Mega-Conferences had indicated. The mid-major football conferences appear to be alive and well for now. If a traditional power like Appalachian State sees this as the best time to leave their 1-AA days behind it will probably give way to other 1-AA powers joining the FBS such as Montana, or Villanova, even a Cal Poly or Texas State. We could see a half dozen 1-AA programs joining the FBS ranks over the next several years just to fill the needs of existing conferences such as the WAC.

Appalachian State fits best with the MAC and Sun Belt when competition level and geography is taken into account. They would actually be closer to the northern MAC teams than the southern Sun Belt teams. In the event that college football is actually experiencing the Cambrian Explosion, the MAC cannot afford to miss the boat. If the Sun Belt lures the Mountaineers of Boone, N.C., Georgia Southern will follow. The addition of Louisiana Tech could add a conference championship and 5-10 years from now the MAC could be dead last out  of the 11 FBS conferences. All of the money put into the Mid-American for football, and the martyrdom of MAC basketball will be for naught. If the MAC could lure Appalachian State and later MTSU and WKU (a fatal blow to the Sun Belt), 5-10 years from now the MAC will sit comfortably 9th out of 11 conferences and more likely than not a two-bid men's basketball conference.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/11/2010 5:48:15 PM 
The Situation wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
AthensBlock wrote:
Absolutely no way App come to the MAC. How much money would they lose going from FCS championships to pizza bowls?


App. Sate has already announced they are looking into moving up to div. I.  Now, could they leapfrog right into CUSA?  Good question.


I feel like Appalachian State holds the key to MAC expansion. IF they do in-fact decide to go FBS it could represent a larger transition in college football than earlier news of the Mega-Conferences had indicated. The mid-major football conferences appear to be alive and well for now. If a traditional power like Appalachian State sees this as the best time to leave their 1-AA days behind it will probably give way to other 1-AA powers joining the FBS such as Montana, or Villanova, even a Cal Poly or Texas State. We could see a half dozen 1-AA programs joining the FBS ranks over the next several years just to fill the needs of existing conferences such as the WAC.

Appalachian State fits best with the MAC and Sun Belt when competition level and geography is taken into account. They would actually be closer to the northern MAC teams than the southern Sun Belt teams. In the event that college football is actually experiencing the Cambrian Explosion, the MAC cannot afford to miss the boat. If the Sun Belt lures the Mountaineers of Boone, N.C., Georgia Southern will follow. The addition of Louisiana Tech could add a conference championship and 5-10 years from now the MAC could be dead last out  of the 11 FBS conferences. All of the money put into the Mid-American for football, and the martyrdom of MAC basketball will be for naught. If the MAC could lure Appalachian State and later MTSU and WKU (a fatal blow to the Sun Belt), 5-10 years from now the MAC will sit comfortably 9th out of 11 conferences and more likely than not a two-bid men's basketball conference.


What has this conference come to that we are saying if we dont invite App St we will miss the boat. I would rather see the whole conference disband than add more trash.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Ask Not What the MAC Can do for You, But What You Can do for the MAC
   Posted: 10/11/2010 7:09:36 PM 
I don't know if what happens to the MAC really matters. Its more about the program these days. Ohio should strive to build a program that is regularly recognized by the national media as a top 40/top 25 team. The MAC schedule is what it is. I've done more thinking about our OOC schedule and after watching MAC school after MAC school get mowed down 50-0 by top flight competion I don't know if that is in Ohio's best long term interest. I like the idea of a series with Navy, the next closest non-BCS school to Athens after Marshall outside of the MAC. Recruiting has to be considered so why not sign BCS schools no more than 3 years out and pick programs that aren't too difficult in prime recruiting areas. Play UCLA, Texas A&M, Miami FL instead of USC, Texas, Florida. Interesting games that Ohio will be able to compete in and possibly win in any given year. Washington instead of Oregon. Auburn instead of Alabama. Ohio almost had Tennessee beat last year in Knoxville. To build a program its Schedule->Recruits->Wins->Fans->Donations->Facilities. I would say its a 95% concensus on bobcatattack that Ohio could do better with its non-conference scheduling.

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