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Topic:  Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Alabama No. 1 (Ohio No. 50)
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  Message Not Read  Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Alabama No. 1 (Ohio No. 50)
   Posted: 7/6/2010 10:18:16 AM 

When "then" Orlando Sentinel college football writer Andrea Adelson shared that she thought "Ohio will be good again," I couldn't have imagined just how good she perceived OUr 2010 team might be.  Now we know: The Bobcats are No. 50 in the Sentinel "count up" to No. 1. As for Andrea, she's been contracted to write college football for ESPN.com.

Here's the rundown on the Sentinel's "count-up":
 

No.     1 – Alabama
No.     2 – Boise State
No.     3 – Ohio State
No.     4
 – Iowa
No.     5
 – Texas Christian (TCU)
No.    
6 – Virginia Tech
No.    
7 – Florida
No.     8 – Nebraska
No.     9 – Miami
No.   10 – Oklahoma
No.   11 – Texas
No.   12 – Wisconsin
No.   13 – Southern California
No.   14 – South Carolina
No.   15 – Stanford
No.   16 – Pittsburgh
No.   17 – Penn State
No.   18 – West Virginia
No.   19 – Arizona
No.   20 – North Carolina
No.   21 – Auburn
No.   22 – Air Force
No.   23 – Arkansas
No.   24 – Southern Methodist (SMU)
No.   25 – Houston
No.   26 – Navy
No.   27 – Boston College
No.   28 – Missouri
No.   29 – Oregon
No.   30 – Oklahoma State
No.   31 – Washington
No.   32 – Louisiana State (LSU)
No.   33 – Oregon State
No.   34 – Cincinnati
No.   35 – Utah
No.   36 – Georgia Tech
No.   37 – Florida State
No.   38 – Idaho
No.   39 – Middle Tennessee State (MTSU)
No.   40 – Connecticut (UConn)
No.   41 – Northwestern
No.   42 – California
No.   43 – Rutgers
No.   44 – Army
No.   45 –
Temple
No.   46 – Fresno State
No.   47 – Central Florida (UCF)
No.   48 – Troy
No.   49 – Northern Illinois
No.   50 – Ohio
No.   51 – Southern Mississippi
No.   52 – Nevada
No.   53 – Purdue
No.   54 – Notre Dame
No.   55 – Texas Tech
No.   56 – Brigham Young (BYU)
No.   57 – Texas A&M
No.  58 – South Florida (USF)

No.  59 – Clemson

No.  60 – Arizona State

No.  61 – UCLA

No.  62 – Mississippi State

No.  63 – Mississippi

No.  64 – Georgia

No.  65 – Kentucky

No.  66 – Tulsa

No.  67 – Iowa State

No.  68 – Michigan

No.  69 – Michigan State

No.  70 – San Diego State

No.  71 – Central Michigan

No.  72 – Tennessee

No.  73 – Indiana

No.  74 – Baylor

No.  75 – Kent State

No.  76 – Hawaii

No.  77 – Louisville

No.  78 – Illinois

No.  79 – Minnesota

No.  80 – Duke

No.  81 – Kansas

No.  82 – North Carolina State

No.  83 – East Carolina

No.  84 – Marshall

No.  85 – Texas-El Paso (UTEP)

No.  86 – Arkansas State

No.  87 – Western Michigan

No.  88 – Louisiana Monroe

No.  89 – Colorado

No.  90 – Alabama-Birmingham (UAB)

No.  91 – Akron

No.  92 – Wake Forest

No.  93 – Maryland

No.  94 – Kansas State

No.  95 – Virginia

No.  96 – Bowling Green

No.  97 – Vanderbilt

No.  98 – Buffalo

No.  99 – New Mexico State

No. 100 – Wyoming

No. 101 – Louisiana Tech

No. 102 – Florida Atlantic (FAU)

No. 103 – Louisiana-Lafayette

No. 104 – Syracuse

No. 105 – Utah State

No. 106 – Ball State

No. 107 – Rice

No. 108 – Colorado State

No. 109 – New Mexico

No. 110 – Nevada-Las Vegas (UNLV)

No. 111 – Toledo

No. 112 – Washington State

No. 113 – North Texas

No. 114 – San Jose State

No. 115 – Memphis

No. 116 – Tulane

No. 117 – Miami (Ohio)

No. 118 – Western Kentucky

No. 119 – Florida International (FIU)

No. 120 – Eastern Michigan

Last Edited: 8/30/2010 8:41:51 AM by Cat4ever


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/6/2010 1:23:08 PM 
Wow....top 50's are great...can we make the top forty?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/6/2010 2:40:02 PM 
How low can we go?!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/6/2010 5:09:09 PM 
I find it hard to believe that Ohio would be in the upper half of the SEC, lol.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/6/2010 5:50:21 PM 
I am also amazed as how high they have Ohio, plus Temple and Northern Illinois. Finally some respect from a newspaper that I read daily and except for when UCF was in the MAC, there is little MAC coverage and sometimes they do not even list the scores from MAC teams. 

If you go to orlandosentinel.com/sports and scroll down to College Sports and click on ...more 360 Gridiron, then scroll down towards the bottom of that page to see what team is featured that day, it will also list the other teams already featured. If you click on any of the teams, you can read the entire synopsis of that team, including returning offensive & defensive players, strengths and weaknesses, predictions and this year's schedule for that team. It is a pretty comprehensive analysis of each team and very interesting reading.

I am glad to see that Ohio is now in the top 55 and hopefully even higher. Go Ohio!!! 

Thanks for listing this cats4ever. You beat me to it as the site has been down the last few days.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/7/2010 9:57:56 AM 
I already can't wait for the Temple game in Philly. It would be great to have the division wrapped up, but most likely we'll have to beat the Owls to win it. I was surprised to see Kent St so high.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/7/2010 3:51:45 PM 
Nice--espec considering that for so many years we not only had The 110, we were #110.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/8/2010 4:47:39 PM 
Glad to see an objective, realistic ranking for the Irish and not one based on a reputation whose substance is based on accomplishments that occurred before pretty much any player on their team was even born!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/9/2010 1:19:56 PM 
This woman is obviOUsly a football genius, on par with our very won Certified Pigskin Analyst, and has reserved the #1 spot for OHIO! 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/9/2010 3:15:59 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
This woman is obviOUsly a football genius, on par with our very won Certified Pigskin Analyst, and has reserved the #1 spot for OHIO! 


Either that, or she has been throwing darts at an alphabetical list and we have been lucky to have been missed. It just seems odd that Ohio is in the top half of all football teams at D-1 level before the season even begins.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/10/2010 8:31:17 AM 
Jughead wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
This woman is obviOUsly a football genius, on par with our very won Certified Pigskin Analyst, and has reserved the #1 spot for OHIO! 


Either that, or she has been throwing darts at an alphabetical list and we have been lucky to have been missed. It just seems odd that Ohio is in the top half of all football teams at D-1 level before the season even begins.


Hey, Jughead, it isn't so odd for anybody (except Miami) to be in the top half of D-1 teams before the season begins. Everybody is 0-0. The prognosticators' lists are merely speculation that can be based on any number of thoughts and considerations. What they mostly are: great conversation-starters!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/11/2010 6:19:04 PM 
Cat4ever wrote:

Hey, Jughead, it isn't so odd for anybody (except Miami) to be in the top half of D-1 teams before the season begins. Everybody is 0-0. The prognosticators' lists are merely speculation that can be based on any number of thoughts and considerations. What they mostly are: great conversation-starters!


Well, maybe not so much odd.  But tell me, when was the last time OU was in this conversation?  I haven't followed the football team for very long, maybe 5 years at best (BTW PItt was my first OU football game, not game overall.)


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/11/2010 8:49:55 PM 
Jughead wrote:
But tell me, when was the last time OU was in this conversation?  I haven't followed the football team for very long, maybe 5 years at best (BTW PItt was my first OU football game, not game overall.)

Survey says ... NEVER!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/13/2010 10:05:12 AM 
Sad thing is that none of this amounts to a hill of beans.

When it's all said and done we will still be playing a 4th rate schedule and trying to make it to a 5th rate bowl game against the likes of Marshall or Troy...while all the teams ranked behind us get decent home games with million dollar bowl paydays.

Good times.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/13/2010 11:07:51 AM 
Unless, of course, BL, we beat the Evil Empire and run the table.  That would no doubt bring a BCS Bowl. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/13/2010 12:21:34 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Sad thing is that none of this amounts to a hill of beans.

When it's all said and done we will still be playing a 4th rate schedule and trying to make it to a 5th rate bowl game against the likes of Marshall or Troy...while all the teams ranked behind us get decent home games with million dollar bowl paydays.

Good times.


BL, all of the prognostications are, as you know, merely speculation and instigators of discussion.  As for the schedule, it is what it is.  To OCF's point, run the table, including a win over the Evil Empire, and there would be the possibility -- perhaps probability -- of a BCS game.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/13/2010 1:02:36 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Sad thing is that none of this amounts to a hill of beans.

When it's all said and done we will still be playing a 4th rate schedule and trying to make it to a 5th rate bowl game against the likes of Marshall or Troy...while all the teams ranked behind us get decent home games with million dollar bowl paydays.

Good times.


Through my crystal skull I see these two possible scenarios:

1) Ohio U. wins out, and through God's good graces, OU is #2 in the BCS's final standings. But then Ohio University finds out that those standings weren't really final as a new, secret BCS formula is used, dropping Ohio (OH) out of the BCS bowls. Then Ohio (of Ohio) gets to play in the Family Dollar Bowl against Marshall where they battle to win the hearts and minds of the residents of the hollows along the Ohio River.

2) The Ohio U. have a decent season, not great, and Harvard on the Hocking gets a bowl bid. Due to the perfect storm of bowl ineligibility issues and teams deciding to forgo bowl games, The tOU's opponent is another MAC school, most likely a directional. But many say it's ok, as now we'll get good experience in how to play them next year.

Last Edited: 7/13/2010 1:07:33 PM by Bobcat321

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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/13/2010 9:55:09 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Sad thing is that none of this amounts to a hill of beans.

When it's all said and done we will still be playing a 4th rate schedule and trying to make it to a 5th rate bowl game against the likes of Marshall or Troy...while all the teams ranked behind us get decent home games with million dollar bowl paydays.

Good times.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 7:38:16 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Unless, of course, BL, we beat the Evil Empire and run the table.  That would no doubt bring a BCS Bowl. 


I love the cats as much of the next guy, but where do you people get this stuff?

Boise State had a much better records against much stiffer competiton from 02 - 05 (they went 47 - 7, only lost 2 times against thier own conference during that stretch) and managed to win a couple bowl games before getting to the Fiesta Bowl in 06.

Thier worst record during that time? 9-4 (7-1) in 05.

Ohio would need several perfect or near perfect (read one loss) seasons, against better teams then Wofford and VMI, before we were even considered in the disscussion for a BCS game, let alone actually making one.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 7:58:41 AM 
Cheerguy21 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Unless, of course, BL, we beat the Evil Empire and run the table.  That would no doubt bring a BCS Bowl. 


I love the cats as much of the next guy, but where do you people get this stuff?

Boise State had a much better records against much stiffer competiton from 02 - 05 (they went 47 - 7, only lost 2 times against thier own conference during that stretch) and managed to win a couple bowl games before getting to the Fiesta Bowl in 06.

Thier worst record during that time? 9-4 (7-1) in 05.

Ohio would need several perfect or near perfect (read one loss) seasons, against better teams then Wofford and VMI, before we were even considered in the disscussion for a BCS game, let alone actually making one.


It would probably depend on how good Ohio State turns out to be. As much as the BCS would like to exclude Ohio in this scenario, if Ohio State would by chance win every other game, it would be hard to exclude the Bobcats.

But for the most part you are right. I could even envision a scenario where Ohio goes 13-0 and Ohio State finishes 10-2 and the Buckeyes get a BCS at-large bid over the Bobcats. Wouldn't be fair, but it woudln't be surprising to turn out that way.

Of course, speculating that far into the future right now is sort of crazy, but then again, I guess that's what this thread is about.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 8:00:08 AM 
Cheerguy21 wrote:
Ohio would need several perfect or near perfect (read one loss) seasons, against better teams then Wofford and VMI, before we were even considered in the disscussion for a BCS game, let alone actually making one.


As long as computers are involved, that's not necessarily the case, Cheerguy.  Your point is well-taken regarding the "build up" to respectability on the national stage. But the way has been paved by Boise State and Utah, and the collective minds of the pollsters -- who work along with the computers to decide who plays in the BCS games -- are much more recognizing of the parity existing in college football now than they were when the pioneers of excellence in non-BCS conferences were establishing a path.

It would take a whole lot of things happening to put the 'Cats in the BCS picture, starting with a 12-0 run through the season and continuing with a MAC championship (hopefully against an NIU team with a terrific record).  The opposition would have to be better than the prognosticators paint it as being in July, scoring wins aside from beating each other.

The point is that it is possible.  But I say, let's just enjoy what we all hope will be an excellent show of football ability and execution!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 8:18:11 AM 
Cat4ever wrote:
Cheerguy21 wrote:
Ohio would need several perfect or near perfect (read one loss) seasons, against better teams then Wofford and VMI, before we were even considered in the disscussion for a BCS game, let alone actually making one.


As long as computers are involved, that's not necessarily the case, Cheerguy.  Your point is well-taken regarding the "build up" to respectability on the national stage. But the way has been paved by Boise State and Utah, and the collective minds of the pollsters -- who work along with the computers to decide who plays in the BCS games -- are much more recognizing of the parity existing in college football now than they were when the pioneers of excellence in non-BCS conferences were establishing a path.

It would take a whole lot of things happening to put the 'Cats in the BCS picture, starting with a 12-0 run through the season and continuing with a MAC championship (hopefully against an NIU team with a terrific record).  The opposition would have to be better than the prognosticators paint it as being in July, scoring wins aside from beating each other.

The point is that it is possible.  But I say, let's just enjoy what we all hope will be an excellent show of football ability and execution!


I'm with you..I would love to go undefeated every year, but even with the computers we would still need a few back to back 0 or 1 loss season before we'd get to a BCS game.  Unfortunatly for us, all Utah and BSU have done is pave the way for the WAC to get teams into the BCS, let's use a more familiar exapmple:

2003 Miami Redhawks...
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Lone Loss: Iowa.  Iowa was ranked 25th at the time, finished season ranked 11th after a a 10 -3 (5-3) season.
Non-Con Wins:  @Northwestern, @Colorado, @UC
Final Rank: 10
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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 12:39:06 PM 
If we are 13-0, we'd probably be the highest ranked non-BCS team in the polls.  In today's world, as contrasted with 2003, that's an almost automatic bid to a BCS Bowl (aka Biden Bowl).  To exclude the highest ranked non-BCS team from a BCS bowl would reopen Congressional hearings on the college football anti-trust issue.  The BCS doesn't want that.  They will avoid it at all costs, even if it means inviting Ohio to the Biden Bowl.

[Note: I call the BCS Bowl with non-BCS team(s) the Biden Bowl because this trend of inviting at least one non-BCS team to a BCS bowl started after Joe Biden, then senator from Delaware, threatened anti-trust legislation against the BCS and held hearings on the subject.  One famous Biden quote from these hearings in 2004, "It looks  like a rigged deal."  Well, the BCS Daddies got the message and started inviting the highest ranked non-BCS team each year.  Last year, of course, they invited two and had them play each other.  Nonetheless, I see no way that the BCS will ever again shut out the non-BCS schools from at least one slot in a BCS bowl game -- as long as the BCS still exists.]

Last Edited: 7/14/2010 12:43:32 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Orlando Sentinel "count-up" to No. 1 update: Brigham Young No. 56
   Posted: 7/14/2010 1:28:45 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we are 13-0, we'd probably be the highest ranked non-BCS team in the polls.  In today's world, as contrasted with 2003, that's an almost automatic bid to a BCS Bowl (aka Biden Bowl).  To exclude the highest ranked non-BCS team from a BCS bowl would reopen Congressional hearings on the college football anti-trust issue.  The BCS doesn't want that.  They will avoid it at all costs, even if it means inviting Ohio to the Biden Bowl.

[Note: I call the BCS Bowl with non-BCS team(s) the Biden Bowl because this trend of inviting at least one non-BCS team to a BCS bowl started after Joe Biden, then senator from Delaware, threatened anti-trust legislation against the BCS and held hearings on the subject.  One famous Biden quote from these hearings in 2004, "It looks  like a rigged deal."  Well, the BCS Daddies got the message and started inviting the highest ranked non-BCS team each year.  Last year, of course, they invited two and had them play each other.  Nonetheless, I see no way that the BCS will ever again shut out the non-BCS schools from at least one slot in a BCS bowl game -- as long as the BCS still exists.]


That's a good point, but you never can rule out another non-BCS team from perhaps the Mountain West going undefeated and getting a BCS spot instead. I'm pretty sure Ball State was not headed to the BCS two years ago even if they would have won the MAC title game. Then again, their best non-league win was against Navy.
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   Posted: 7/14/2010 2:57:47 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we are 13-0, we'd probably be the highest ranked non-BCS team in the polls.  In today's world, as contrasted with 2003, that's an almost automatic bid to a BCS Bowl (aka Biden Bowl).  To exclude the highest ranked non-BCS team from a BCS bowl would reopen Congressional hearings on the college football anti-trust issue.  The BCS doesn't want that.  They will avoid it at all costs, even if it means inviting Ohio to the Biden Bowl.

[Note: I call the BCS Bowl with non-BCS team(s) the Biden Bowl because this trend of inviting at least one non-BCS team to a BCS bowl started after Joe Biden, then senator from Delaware, threatened anti-trust legislation against the BCS and held hearings on the subject.  One famous Biden quote from these hearings in 2004, "It looks  like a rigged deal."  Well, the BCS Daddies got the message and started inviting the highest ranked non-BCS team each year.  Last year, of course, they invited two and had them play each other.  Nonetheless, I see no way that the BCS will ever again shut out the non-BCS schools from at least one slot in a BCS bowl game -- as long as the BCS still exists.]


Wow, you're just wrong...

Utah made the BCS game in 2004 under the stipulation that the BCS had in place of a non-bcs team needing to finish 6th or higher in the final BCS standings to get a BCS bowl birth.

This rule was already on the books, Biden or not.

The rule was chaged in 2006 to the following:

Quote:
3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

  • A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
  • B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year. (Note: a second team may be eligible for at-large eligibility as noted below.) If two or more teams from those conferences satisfy the provisions for an automatic berth, then the team with the highest finish in the final BCS Standings will receive the automatic berth, and the remaining team or teams will be considered for at-large selection if it meets the criteria.



Even with Ohio going 13 - 0, and Ohio State going undefeated save the Ohio game, There would need to be any number of things happening for Ohio to even be in the BCS talk, including teams like Utah, Boise State, and TCU losing at least 2 games each. I'm also willing to bet that an undefeated champ from confrence USA, MVC or WAC would be selected ahead of an undefeated MAC team.

For what it's worth, had the 2006 rules been in effect in 2003, Miami would have had a BCS berth.

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