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BrowntownBeatDown
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QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:19:35 AM

Long time luker, first time poster here. First off, I want to say the insightful posting by the members of this community is outstanding. Ok, enough of the introduction....

Watching the progress of the offense and particularly our QB has really been bothering me over the past couple of weeks. Now I know from reading various threads on this site, any mention of our incumbent QB seems to be very touchy with some of the members. Well, I have been watching every game, and this does not look like the same QB we had running our offense last year.

To be more clear, I am sick of watching the endless scrambling the backfield ending up in sacks. I have also had it with the rolling out, only to take a sack, or run our of bounds for a loss or small gain of yardage. What happened to the player who was sacrificing his body to make outstanding runs look like the norm? How about putting some zip on the ball on those downfield passes?

From my observations, our QB is injured and it might be costing our team in certain areas. Yes, he played an outstanding (probably the best game of his career to this point) game again Penn State and without TT there was no way we were coming out on top in that one. A healthy TT and we are certainly looking at a still undefeated season at this point.

Right now, as of today November 8th, 2012, Vick would be a better option since TT is clearly not playing at the top of his game, due to injury or otherwise. The kid seems to have better arm strenght, has shown an ability to throw the deep ball with accuracy and is fast as hell. Call me crazy, which I am sure is in my immediate future, but when they put Vick in for a few plays last night I was hoping they were planning on leaving him in to see what we can do.

If any of the other members of the board have further insight into the reasons TT is not playing at the level he was last year, I would love to discuss.

BillyTheCat
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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:26:41 AM

To me arm strength is an issue, I am not sure we have the ability to stretch the field, and teams who roll up the coverage give us fits.

Robert Fox
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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:27:53 AM

I think Vick played only one down last night, and I suspect that was because of some minor issue with Tettleton (equipment or something). I think our QB issue is not the QB himself, but a combination of VERY poor OL play, and at least last night, an inability of our WRs to get open. I could not see BGs defensive backs very well on TV, but it appeared as though Tettleton had no open receivers. Even our completed passes last night were hotly contested.

My question now is why didn't we go to the QB scramble last night? If BG was bringing the DL pressure and dropping their DBs back in coverage, why not spring our QB loose? Early in the season, that worked well, but again, we had better OL blocking at that time. I'm completely puzzled as to what happened to the OL.

The Optimist
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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:28:00 AM

I want to know what happened to Tettleton. Driving down the field against Marshall I was thinking "I trust Solich and I trust Tettleton to win this game."

Then he "forgets" we had no timeouts left against Miami? This team has bigger issues than QB play, but I just don't get this issue. It doesn't add up for me.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:38:12 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

To be strictly accurate, Vick only took the snap on one down last night. He was lined up at wide out many times. I'm not sure if this is a result of injuries to the WR corp, if he's just too good an athlete to leave on the sideline, or if this was intended to introduce a wrinkle that was never brought out.

Casper71
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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 12:26:22 PM

Look our veteran O-line is getting it's ass whipped. That did not happen early in the year.

TT arm strength is an issue (injury maybe?). I though half the passes would get picked off last night and we only went deep maybe once last night (WR injuries).

Turning to the defense, the RB was 188 and he was carrying our guys like he was 250. We are a poor tackling team. We have had big time blown coverages lately (MU and BG games). Again, the result of DB/S injuries.

i don't know but if this teams ends up 8-4 after starting 7-0, I won't be going to any bowl game.

We just need even more and even better players!

Buster
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RE: QB Situation

Posted: 11/8/2012 12:39:51 PM

I think we can all agree that this isn't the same TT that we are used to seeing. Whether it is injury or not, a depleted WR corps is a problem. Watching in person last night, I noticed guys just weren't getting open. When TT was scrambling and looking for an open guy, I saw two of our receivers with their backs to him. We were spoiled with guys like Brazill and Dunlop who seemed to have a special connection with TT, especially when he needed to find an open receiver on the run.

We have lost some of our best receivers due to injury this year. I really expect next year's group to be the best as far as depth.

We know TT still has it in him to be great. What we saw on the first drive and the last drive (until it was 4th and forever) is what we should be seeing regularly. In those drives, there were quick passes, we spread the field, and our WR's looked polished again. I can see a lot of frustration in Tettleton right now. I hope he can turn it around, get on the same page with his offense, and have some fun on the field for a change. As the 110 chanted last night, "OHIO, WE GOT YOUR BACK!"

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RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 1:54:34 PM

Can anyone allow even a little credit to BG? The OL did not get bad or horribe. They did run into what is likely the best D front in this or most leagues. Every time a play does not work people want to howl about it being a bad call. I believe Albin knows his team's strengths and will go there like all good coaches. Sometimes your strength is not strong enough. Defense wins championships. BG has one hell of a defense. Ohio is still a fine team. Oh, to the "fan" who is set on turnig in his free Kent tickets because he disappointed, you might regret that. These are long seasons. This week they get to catch their breath and get another shot at another very good team. Last year many were crushed after they lost the MACC only to find they were good enough to win a bowl. It is why they play the games.

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BobcatSports
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 2:47:32 PM

Bcat not only do I give the BG defense a great deal of credit, I give the OHIO defense a tremendous amount of credit as well.

The bookies, who typically, "know the score" had this game at -1.5 at kick-off. That's even considering we had the home field advantage,a MAC team with an impressive mid-week fan turnout, the 110 and YES even our football team, the bookies thought BG were at the worst a pick-em team, ie, they were pretty damn good.

I thought the BG defense played as advertised. Which made our opening drive all the more impressive. Not only did we drive it down the field, we drove it down their throats and Beau pile-drove some BG DBacks into the turf and locker-room. Why we didn't go all-in with Beau in the 2nd half does mystify me but that was obviously a "coaching" decision.

Our punting "unit" commited 4 that's FOUR turnovers DEEP in OUR territory. The '85 Bears defense would have had a hard time overcoming 4 that's FOUR turnovers deep in their own territory. IF one looks at the totality of the game, our defense forced BG into multiple punts, I think 6 in total. Unfortunately BG's punting game was exceptional and quite a few of those punts resulted in poor field position for the Good Guys.

Long story short it would be tough for ANY team to overcome 4 turnovers deep in their own territory and be faced with having to make up scores by essentially driving the length of the field against a "top-rated" defense even IF your offense was high-powered and fully functional.

Truth be told, I've felt we have been "out of sync" offensively for the better part of the MAC schedule. My feeling is that the majority of that is attributed to injuries to first an foremost Tyler, then the WR's, a killer in losing Thompson and the knowledge that we just had our best remaining WR go out last week with a broken leg and that Foster is playing hurt.

While I think we could possibly have overcome a UMass or Akron type with all that going against us, a team of BG's defensive caliber is another story.

Sadly HAD we been able to punt the ball last night I think this board would have been lit up with how great our 14-7 victory was and how spirited the effort of the whole team, crowd, 110 etc. was.

MonroeClassmate
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 3:19:46 PM

I would give BG full creidt if the offense had run at least one draw play, one screen pass and one jet sweep. I witnessed nothing attempted to slow down the rush and keep them honest.

Ohio's defense for the most part got the job done with the exception of never figuring out the two plays that BG ran with success and continued to use throughout the game, even on third and long. To really give up only one scoring drive score coupled with keeping Miami's passing in check the second half and handling Eastern, I'd say the defense that was trailing the offense is now playing equal to or ahead of the offense.

I drove three hours to the game for two reasons. My senior daughter marching her last 110 at Peden and to see Bakari Bussey's last home (I've talked to him and his parents in the parking lot now for several years) and I was not disappointed by either performance. Bussey makes tough catches in traffic and trys mightily to get the extra few yards, a great compliment as a possession receiver if we had healthy speedy outside threats. My daughter ended with the same song my son started with in his first year.

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 9:37:16 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Can anyone allow even a little credit to BG? The OL did not get bad or horribe. They did run into what is likely the best D front in this or most leagues. Every time a play does not work people want to howl about it being a bad call. I believe Albin knows his team's strengths and will go there like all good coaches. Sometimes your strength is not strong enough. Defense wins championships. BG has one hell of a defense. Ohio is still a fine team. Oh, to the "fan" who is set on turnig in his free Kent tickets because he disappointed, you might regret that. These are long seasons. This week they get to catch their breath and get another shot at another very good team. Last year many were crushed after they lost the MACC only to find they were good enough to win a bowl. It is why they play the games.

Maybe their D is quite good. But it's nothing we haven't seen a time or two (at least) each season. Always before, we played our game. We didn't particularly care that the defense we faced was stout. Yesterday, we gave BG's defense WAY TOO MUCH RESPECT.

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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 10:31:10 PM

Several bobcatattackers have proferred possible reasons for TT:
* taking more sacks,
* throwing more balls out of bounds
* scrambling and then sinking to the turf

I'll advance a possible reason: Ohio is lacking a WR with the speed and explosiveness of a Price or Brazil. Foster has shown occasional explosiveness but injuries have diminished his ability to quickly break clear of coverages. TT also does not have a 6'4" McRae-like WR who can consistently outleap DBs. Cochran supposedly has great speed, but does he have the cobra-like quickness and explosiveness to consistently get open fast?

TT did score on a nice run and did break off another nice run that carried him to about the 3-yard line and set up the TD toss.

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Bcat2
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 10:49:42 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

Monroe, believe me, Albin tried his best with Ohio football, Yesterday a good Ohio team lost and all the fans can do look to place blame instead of allowing the least credit to BG. Respect BG they have earned it the old fashioned way. Congratulation BG

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Bcat2
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/8/2012 11:03:25 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Several bobcatattackers have proferred possible reasons for TT:
* taking more sacks,
* throwing more balls out of bounds
* scrambling and then sinking to the turf

I'll advance a possible reason: Ohio is lacking a WR with the speed and explosiveness of a Price or Brazil. Foster has shown occasional explosiveness but injuries have diminished his ability to quickly break clear of coverages. TT also does not have a 6'4" McRae-like WR who can consistently outleap DBs. Cochran supposedly has great speed, but does he have the cobra-like quickness and explosiveness to consistently get open fast?

TT did score on a nice r
un and did break off another nice run that carried him to about the 3-yard line and set up the TD toss.

Healthy Foster would help. His bio includes his three state championships in the high jump getting 7 feet as a senior.

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Deciduous Forest Cat
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/9/2012 6:05:57 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

This - we clearly don't have the breakaway speed that we've had in previous years. I think Cochran might be that guy next year.

We also have dropped more balls this season than the last three seasons combined. I can't remember a Solich team with such a case of the dropsies.

Bryan
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RE: RE:Blame

Posted: 11/9/2012 7:07:24 PM

I agree with everything that's being said here. Clearly BG outplayed us on every level, they were better team. Having said that it's clear that TT has some issues right now. He has suffered nagging injuries all season long and seems to have become very indecisive. I don't know if there is a more serious injury causing this, or if for some reason he's second guessing himself more then in the past.

Also our WR play HAS to get better. These guys just aren't getting open like they should, call it a lack of route running ability or call it more nagging injuries, but something has to give.

This season is starting to look quite shakey, hopefully TT and the guys get it together before next week. Someone needs to step up.

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