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Bcat2
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Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 8:23:52 PM

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Visited the BGSU fan forum, above link. Not surprised to find them enjoying disrespecting TT and coach Solich. What goes around ... I am going to enjoy the ....... comes around. Two folks I would not give locker door motivation. I believe BG will have their hand full Wednesday. Miami broke a string of losses, not going to happen for BG

Last Edited: 11/5/2012 8:30:42 PM by Bcat2

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LoganElm_grad09
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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 9:30:43 PM

They do it to every coach. I doubt the guys are worried about a few board posters.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 10:39:34 PM

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

They do it to every coach. I doubt the guys are worried about a few board posters.

I know you are right. Just feel it is low, don't see that crap here. Time for their young roster to deal with the MACs best OL and Tyler, Boykin and Beau.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:32:17 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

I know you are right. Just feel it is low, don't see that crap here. ...

Yes, you see it here. Perhaps you missed the two threads with photos of Dysert, or the ones making fun of Treadwell, Miami's defensive line, and running backs. I don't know to what extent threads like that help the other teams to play better, but, like you, I could do without them.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:37:15 PM

L.C. wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

I know you are right. Just feel it is low, don't see that crap here. ...

Then maybe internet message boards aren't for you.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:48:18 PM

What is Miami sucks?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:50:20 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

They do it to every coach. I doubt the guys are worried about a few board posters.

I know you are right. Just feel it is low, don't see that crap here. Time for their young roster to deal with the MACs best OL and Tyler, Boykin and Beau.

No, it's here as well. We're not perfect and some posters here stoop to levels I wish Bobcats wouldn't stoop to. And I think the posters who post such know after the fact they've overstepped certain bounds.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 12:28:34 AM

TT4Heisman wrote:

Then maybe internet message boards aren't for you.

You are quite right. For some reason it seems that most sports message boards bring out the worst in people, and I generally am appalled by them. When I first came here, however, this board was very different, and it was a pleasure. There was a politeness about it, and a uniquely positive outlook (albeit initially there was a manic-depressive nature), and there was a respect and appreciation for the effort the players put in, win or lose. There was also a pronounced intolerance of incorrect grammar, which was oddly amusing. This board was what made me a Bobcat fan.

It is sad, but as time passes, this board is becoming very much like all the others sports boards. I suppose that is to be expected. It isn't my place to tell people what they can and can't post, and I expect things will continue in this direction. There certainly are things that I freely admit that that I don't understand. To me, as a fan, I know that I can help the team by supporting them various ways, so I try to support them in ways that I think will help because I appreciate their hard work. As the flip side, it makes no sense to me why a fan would want to post things in an effort to incite the other team to play better, making it more likely that my team loses. That seems counterproductive to me, but since I support free speech, I would never tell them they have no right to post such things.

All in all, I see a steady change in attitude, a change away from appreciating what you have, to never being satisfied. that change was really apparent than the last two weeks. First, even though this is the best start by an Ohio team since 1968, the board has been flooded by criticism and dis-satisfaction with the Miami loss, as if the fans were entitled to automatically expect a victory over Miami. Secondly, after a 31 point victory, the third widest margin under Solich, there were many posts dis-satisfied with the victory. To be clear, I'm not trying to say people have no right to feel that way. The point I'm trying to make is simply that the attitudes now are dramatically different from the attitudes you found here only as recently as a few years ago.

Yes, I expect the board to continue to evolve in that direction. I also expect that the day will come when I leave, because I will no longer fit in. I don't say that to imply that it's a big deal, I'm just saying that you are right.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 8:19:59 AM

I'll just say that I bet the average age of this board is 20 years older than most any other message board. That's not a judgment, but an observation. That's going to affect how posters view post-modernity vs. how a millenial is going to post, think.

One generation views this place like writing a letter to the editorial page of a newspaper. The other views this as a virtual sportsbar, with all its crudeness and witticism. I love both aspects, but it's two generations posting with different goal in mind.

Last Edited: 11/6/2012 8:24:57 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 8:29:04 AM

Completely agree with LC. The message board has evolved, and continues to evolve. Even back in the Tcomm days we had some odd posts (3-ball, Marco, etc), but I don't remember provocative posts aimed at the opposition. Some of that has to do with technology. That first message board was pretty low-tech, and so were most of the posters.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 8:45:55 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

One generation views this place like writing a letter to the editorial page of a newspaper. The other views this as a virtual sportsbar, with all its crudeness and witticism. I love both aspects, but it's two generations posting with different goal in mind.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 9:29:15 AM

LC and Brian have got this thing pegged correctly. I'm also likely to put this down in the not too distant future. I get no satisfaction from bashing other people and programs anonymously or from seeing it done enthusiastically in the name of the university I love and support (I do make an exception for M%$#@, though, only because they expect it of me as an OU guy.)

This was once a place to read objective posts about OUr team and program and the rest of the MAC and upcoming games, both of which enhanced my enjoyment of Ohio sports. The discourse tends to degenerate much too often now for my taste.

For the record I actually enjoyed Marco's posts on the TCOM board and never thought he was mean spirited. He would have been laughed at here and now.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 12:31:27 PM

L.C. wrote:

Yes, I expect the board to continue to evolve in that direction. I also expect that the day will come when I leave, because I will no longer fit in. I don't say that to imply that it's a big deal, I'm just saying that you are right.

Sadly I see that day arriving as well...

It's quickly becoming more stressful than enjoyable. For the record, I don't buy the age demographic being the root of the issue. I'm guessing at 44, I fall somewhere near the middle of the split. I'll admit that I've taken bait in the past from Marshall posters (and from Temple Mark but I don't count him). I'm not necessarily offended by proactive bashing but much like LC, I could do without it.

The entitled vibe is what's really getting to me. I suppose it is unavoidable to an extent as perennial winning becomes the norm. I've seen boards though that have multiple forums, one of which is designated for "smack" and one for "discussion". Maybe that's the direction we're heading?

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 4:53:19 PM

L.C. wrote:

Perhaps you missed the two threads with photos of Dysert, or the ones making fun of Treadwell, Miami's defensive line, and running backs. I don't know to what extent threads like that help the other teams to play better, but, like you, I could do without them.

I've been doing those threads for years now. Strangely, nobody complained until this year. If you can't take mild, annual trash talk based on statistics, then perhaps you're a little too sensitive.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 5:14:50 PM

JSF wrote:

L.C. wrote:

I've been doing those threads for years now. Strangely, nobody complained until this year. If you can't take mild, annual trash talk based on statistics, then perhaps you're a little too sensitive.

JSF, perhaps you noted L.C. acknowledge that it is not his place to tell others what they should post. Think about it, you might let folks figure out for themselves how sensitive they want to be. We are all big boys here, what really rubs one raw is someone telling you you are too sensitive.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 5:49:25 PM

JSF wrote:

L.C. wrote:

I've been doing those threads for years now. Strangely, nobody complained until this year. If you can't take mild, annual trash talk based on statistics, then perhaps you're a little too sensitive.

To be clear, JSF, I referenced your threads in reply to a comment that has since been deleted, that we didn't have that kind of post here. We do have it. Yes, I could do without it, and I don't understand the point of it, but it isn't a major concern to me. The threads were clearly labeled as smack/humor, and thus could easily be skipped, which I for the most part, did. The threads on BG are in the same vein - intended as humor.

The change that bothers me is the one that I highlighted in my third paragraph above, which I described as "a change away from appreciating what you have, to never being satisfied."

Bobcat36 wrote:

........ I'm not necessarily offended by proactive bashing but much like LC, I could do without it.

The entitled vibe is what's really getting to me. I suppose it is unavoidable to an extent as perennial winning becomes the norm. I've seen boards though that have multiple forums, one of which is designated for "smack" and one for "discussion". Maybe that's the direction we're heading?

Bobcat36, that's exactly the point. It's the 'entitlement' thinking that bothers me. Yes, it's probably inevitable, but the reason that it particularly bothers me is the history here. Fast forward ten years.... Imagine that Solich has retired, and one of the Assistants is now head coach. After a few decent years, he has a year that is 7-7, and then one that is 9-3. Will he be fired because he didn't live up to the standards of those who now feel entitled to ten wins a year? Gosh, I hope not, but if that is where we are heading, I won't be here to see it.

As for the idea of separating the boards into two, it's an interesting idea. It might help, but I'm not sure. Keeping the Smack on a separate board is only a minor benefit, and doesn't affect the 'entitled' issue at all.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 5:53:10 PM

My apologies for misunderstanding you. I would argue we've largely maintained our standards when it comes to the English langauge.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 6:29:48 PM

JSF wrote:

My apologies for misunderstanding you. I would argue we've largely maintained our standards when it comes to the English langauge.

It still comes up, now and then, but more rarely now. Most people that post here do use complete sentences, as well as proper grammar and punctuation, but I see a lot of new posters that make errors, particularly with homonyms, and as a courtesy to the new posters, the errors are usually overlooked. Really the only people that catch flack are the long time posters, and that is probably just as well because the goal isn't to scare off new posters. Since new posters aren't held to the same standards, over time there will be erosion. There really isn't anything that can be done about it. I only brought it up because it was one of the quirky things about this board that made this board fun, and different.

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Posted: 11/6/2012 6:44:22 PM

This is nonsense.

Our team was being hyped (internally within the AD's office and by local/national media) as a top 25'ish team with BCS potential. And yet, we were/are barely pulling off wins against some of the worst teams in all of college football (I'm looking at you UMass). Meanwhile, our MAC rivals like NIU are pulverizing these guys by 50 points. All of this culminating with a disastrous performance at Oxford.

It is not "entitlement" to wonder why, in his 8'th (?) season of building this program, Solich can't put away teams like Akron and Buffalo (at home) in semi-convincing fashion.

Last Edited: 11/6/2012 6:45:34 PM by Paul Graham

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Posted: 11/6/2012 6:56:03 PM

Have you seen other boards? Even on our absolute worst day, it's better than a normal day on most other schools' boards.

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Posted: 11/6/2012 7:59:29 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

...It is not "entitlement" to wonder why, in his 8'th (?) season of building this program, Solich can't put away teams like Akron and Buffalo (at home) in semi-convincing fashion.

First of all, you will find no mention of the Akron and Buffalo games in my comments. No one thinks that Ohio played to their potential in those games. Secondly, I also didn't comment on the hopes of a top 25 ranking, nor a BCS bowl because I think it is a good thing to hope for that. The problem comes when you go from a hoping for a Top 25 Rank/BCS bowl to expecting it. I posted at the beginning of the season that at best there was a 10% chance that it could happen. As all the injuries occurred, those odds probably went down, and the weak performances against U.Mass, Akron, and Buffalo should have been a warning that this was probably not the season when that might happen.

I have no problem with dreaming big, but I also think it is healthy to accept reality. Defining the line between "success" and "failure" in terms of whether they are undefeated, in the Top 25, and in a BCS bowl is simply not realistic. Hope for it yes, but expect it, no. The other thing I mentioned that bothered me was people complaining about the win over EMU, that somehow a 31 point margin wasn't enough, or that 300 yards of rushing wasn't establishing a run game. Coach Solich, in his press conference, called the EMU game probably the best overall game this year, and it was one of the largest margins of victory under Solich, so I don't know why people are drawing the defining line between "success" and "failure" at an even higher point.

My other point is that this is still the early stages of this change. I have predicted that Ohio will never again fail to win 10 games until Solich retires. The more the teams do that, the more people will draw the line between "success" and "failure" at ever higher points. Even if they fail to win 10 some years, I won't be down on the team however. As long time posters recall, back in about 2007 I predicted an undefeated season for the Bobcats in 2011, which raised a lot of eyebrows at the time. Even though that didn't happen, I think 2011 was still an outstanding season, and they accomplished a lot.

Logan, yes, I know what other boards are like. That's why I'm not on those boards. As this board becomes increasingly like those, I will probably gradually vanish, and only post infrequently. It isn't a bad thing - I will have enjoyed my time here, and met many nice people, and had many interesting conversations. I'll just be a dinosaur, and my time will have passed.

Last Edited: 11/6/2012 8:06:52 PM by L.C.

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/6/2012 10:59:43 PM

L.C.

I appreciate what you have brought to light as it has needed to be said for quite some time. Expectations are great things and I am not much of one to accept results that are below par for capabilities, but I am not wont to bash a team for a lousy performance as I know it is only a game and as Coach Groce was fond of saying, "when your career is based on the performance of 18 to 23 year olds you gotta take it with a grain of salt".

I love this board. Out of all the ones I visit it is pretty sane and reflects the steadiness, vigilance and tolerance of the "mullaha" There are folks who should have a steady supply of Lithium and enforce their own 24 hour posting rules but they are predictable, tolerable and do not generally tear the place apart like guys on some pretty prominent fan boards.

As for the English language, syntax and spelling....it is an area of polite and tacit acceptance at this point. NCAA *births*, for all *intensive* purposes and other gaffes are things I have just learned to accept and remain *moot* on when I come across them. GMan was a great poster and I never took umbrage with his spelling errors as I *excepted* him for himself. Others, as you state, flaunt *there* degree yet make those errors. I get typoing errors as I am one of the more guilty offenders here and try to do better. And there is a difference, IMHOm between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

The board is evolving as the expectations rise. The English language is evolving *to* but the expectations of fans from as highly a regarded educational institution as OHIO should be a iittle higher when it comes to grammar, spelling and syntax. Folks here are so much more than run of the mill sheep.

I have no opinion on the trash threads as I think that is just how the world is moving. Instead of nice discussions and freindly banter, fans resort to ugly aspersions and statements meant to denigrate players of opposing teams.

Just my humble opinion.

Last Edited: 11/6/2012 11:05:17 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: Disrespect TT & Coach

Posted: 11/7/2012 12:49:49 AM

I don't like the disparaging posts either. But I don't think that there's been a significant downgrading of the discourse here--especially considering that the volume of posts and number of people who post seem to be significantly higher.

Look, I was the one who was not happy with the EMU performance. First, we were only up about 10 points with about two minutes to go in the third quarter--against a 1 win team which had been giving up a ton of yards on the ground. I thought that we did not play that well over the first three quarters. I don't see my advocacy of that point of view as disturbing. Not insisting that anyone agree; merely saying that I think that my view point could be legitimately supported.

Second, I'm more interested in us playing to our potential than in winning. (I say that knowing that I expect us to win the vast majority of games in which we play well. The injuries on D must be factored in, of course.)

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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:51:44 AM

L.C. wrote:

JSF wrote:

L.C. wrote:

I've been doing those threads for years now. Strangely, nobody complained until this year. If you can't take mild, annual trash talk based on statistics, then perhaps you're a little too sensitive.

Bobcat36 wrote:

LC,

Just for the sake of clarification...When I said I can see that day coming as well, I was referring to myself. I'm in total agreement with you here (as is frequently the case)...

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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:35:06 PM

Bcat2 wrote:

Turns out they had plenty to be cocky about. They dominated OU on the field and on the sidelines.

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