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Tremendous inconsistency on both sides of the ball 3.  A lack of quality depth 4.  A shocking lack of competency in play calling and game management 5.  We seem to be slower and weaker than top tier teams in our league 6.  We have no playmakers on defense 7.  Our recruiting "prowess" has been exposed as deficient I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. Frank needs to look at his staff and support team and decide if they can help him take this program to the next level, because we aren't anywhere close to that point right now.  I've never been impressed with our team strength and conditioning, yet Sonny Sano has been here a decade now.  O and D coordinators have been average at best.  We bring in a replacement D-line coach who was fired by New Mexico State.  And there's no need to even mention special teams. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,400 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 10:16:19 AM  SBH wrote: We are eight years into the Frank Solich era and here's where we stand: 1.  No MAC title 2. Tremendous inconsistency on both sides of the ball 3.  A lack of quality depth 4.  A shocking lack of competency in play calling and game management 5.  We seem to be slower and weaker than top tier teams in our league 6.  We have no playmakers on defense 7.  Our recruiting "prowess" has been exposed as deficient I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. Frank needs to look at his staff and support team and decide if they can help him take this program to the next level, because we aren't anywhere close to that point right now.  I've never been impressed with our team strength and conditioning, yet Sonny Sano has been here a decade now.  O and D coordinators have been average at best.  We bring in a replacement D-line coach who was fired by New Mexico State.  And there's no need to even mention special teams. Damn dog, you are ruthless....maybe true but ruthless. Back to Top BobcatbyProxy General User Member Since: 11/27/2010 Post Count: 15 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 10:40:41 AM  FINALLY!  A level-headed thread on which I can post!  Thank Goodness!  Here are my 2 cents: 1) Strength & Conditioning Coach - Needs to be fired!  ASAP.  13 season ending injuries.  Players having the 'same' type of injuries.  Unacceptable! 2) Offensive Coordinator - bye, bye!  Too conservative in my book; however, our talent has to be 'healthy' in order to execute what he is calling, we don't have that right now.  3) Defensive Coordinator - I am at a lost for words....so its better I don't say anything 4) Players' heart - I believe the kids (and I remind myself they are JUST kids) have the heart.  I am sure they are demoralize by the losses they have suffered these last three games and the barely won games against UMASS, AKRON, BUFFALO.  However, they showed heart and determination to keep themselves in games.  5) Bowl Bid - I would love to see OU go to a bowl game; however, if it doesn't happen, I'm ok with that.  These KIDS have worked hard this year and I don't want to take anything away from that.  I believe they will be BETTER next year, but (and this go to FRANK), CHANGES have to be made.  I am not a coach, but a concerned 'relative' of an OU Bobcat, who only wants the BEST for these KIDS. "Proud and Concerned Auntie of an OU Bobcat! GO OU! Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,882 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 11:12:52 AM  And the hits keep on coming....... http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/3-point-stan... Ohio-The State University Back to Top 87OU Alum General User Member Since: 12/23/2007 Location: Macomb, MI Post Count: 123 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 11:14:41 AM  SBH wrote: We are eight years into the Frank Solich era and here's where we stand: 1.  No MAC title 2. Tremendous inconsistency on both sides of the ball 3.  A lack of quality depth 4.  A shocking lack of competency in play calling and game management 5.  We seem to be slower and weaker than top tier teams in our league 6.  We have no playmakers on defense 7.  Our recruiting "prowess" has been exposed as deficient I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. Frank needs to look at his staff and support team and decide if they can help him take this program to the next level, because we aren't anywhere close to that point right now.  I've never been impressed with our team strength and conditioning, yet Sonny Sano has been here a decade now.  O and D coordinators have been average at best.  We bring in a replacement D-line coach who was fired by New Mexico State.  And there's no need to even mention special teams. To me #3 looms the largest. I would rate our starting 22 as Top 25 caliper. The problem is we are no where close to seeing this due to injuries. Frank has taken the first step. We are recruiting some top quality talent as starters.....what seperates the men from the boys at this point is recruiting the depth so that injuries are not as catastrophic as they have been to this year's edition. Last Edited: 11/15/2012 11:15:53 AM by 87OU Alum Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 11:23:56 AM  SBH wrote: I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. If Kent, BGSU, and BSU all win their division, I guess they will have turned things around more quickly than Frank did at Ohio.  Except for the fact that four years ago BSU was 12-2, so I'm not sure that's a turnaround so much as it is a bounce off of a nosedive.  In fact none of those three teams were as weak historically as Ohio was when FS took over, so none of those turnarounds would be as impressive as what Frank did at Ohio. Now, I will say even with the injuries this team can play better and needs to play better.  There's another game still to come in the regular season. Last Edited: 11/15/2012 11:25:59 AM by Cats-22 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,400 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 11:45:23 AM  catatonic wrote: SBH wrote: I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. If Kent, BGSU, and BSU all win their division, I guess they will have turned things around more quickly than Frank did at Ohio.  Except for the fact that four years ago BSU was 12-2, so I'm not sure that's a turnaround so much as it is a bounce off of a nosedive.  In fact none of those three teams were as weak historically as Ohio was when FS took over, so none of those turnarounds would be as impressive as what Frank did at Ohio. Now, I will say even with the injuries this team can play better and needs to play better.  There's another game still to come in the regular season. Kent State was way weaker than Ohio 8 years ago, 15 years ago, and 25 years ago.  Kent has been a doormat for years, hell even Cleve and Lichtenberg beat Kent. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:02:03 PM  SBH wrote: ....I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. Is that faster? Ohio won the MAC East in the second year. It seems pretty much the same to me. However, even though Ohio has won more MAC games in the last 5 years than any other MAC team, they haven't won a championship, and I agree that they need to get that done. Miami and Buffalo have generally sucked, but both have MAC championships in this time period. As far as the specifics, I have no knowledge of Sano, so I can't comment too much on that. The injury rate at Ohio has been very, very high, so there may be a problem.  I have also said for years that they must improve on the nutrition side. With no training table, are the kids eating the right things? I suspect there is a big room for improvement there.  Regarding playmakers on defense, most of the defense is injured. Pretty much the entire defensive line and secondary is out, so I don't see how that's a fair criticism. Personally, among the reserves I like Devin Bass. I think he's the best tackler of the lot. As for possible coaching changes, I'm open to them. I wouldn't be surprised to see them. I'm less concerned about offense than defense. Regarding the recruiting, Ohio under Solich has gone through 3 distinct phases: Phase 1 (2005-2007) - All kids were under-the-radar types. The recruiting services knew nothing about them. Few, if any, had any offers other than from Ohio. There were still some that could play, like Hartke or Mike Mitchell. Phase 2 (2008-2010)- Mostly under the radar types, some had another offer. Many were injured their Junior or Senior year, or changed positions, and so didn't get offers.  TT, Brazill, Dovell, Wosely and Carrie are examples of this group. This year's team consists mostly of this group. Phase 3 (2011-2013) - The last couple years most of the recruits have 2-4 other offers, and they are players known to the recruiting services, and they are selecting Ohio over a variety of other schools. Most of these players are redshirting, or are redshirt Freshmen, so it is early to tell how these will turn out. Ohio did pretty well with the totally under the radar group, though 2007 and 2008 weren't the greatest. As the Phase 2 players took over, 2009-2012 has been more consistent. What will the future bring, when the Phase 3 players are upperclassmen? “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top VAMamaCat General User Member Since: 12/28/2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 13 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:48:14 PM  I think the team has lost its focus because of the injuries, not an excuse, just a fact.  Here in the DC area, Maryland Terps come to mind as they have lost 3 quarterbacks to season ending injury, then their backup quarterback breaks his foot, now they are at their fifth quarterback, a converted lineman. Also seems that TT is frustrated with the play calling and OC.  Looking at other teams come up with good offensive plays and look at us going conservative would frustrate me as well.  As for conditioning, well lets concentrate more on the running (too bad track is gone cuz that surely helped with the conditioning off season for my son) and physical fitness than all that weightlifting especially for the defensive backfield.  With 2 corners and a safety with shoulder injury, something ain't clean in the water.  Concentrate them more on lower body strength (legs) and better tackling techniques.  I believe it is these subtle changes should count for next year.  Make em faster, cardio fit and fundamentally sound.  Still Love My Bobcats, Mama Proud Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:51:21 PM  L.C. wrote: SBH wrote: ....I am every bit as happy as the rest of you that we're not losing 8-9 games a year, but did anyone seriously believe we'd still be facing these issues in year eight?  How does BSU turn it around in two years?  Kent in two years? BGSU in three years?  Yet we are paper-thin in critical areas. Is that faster? Ohio won the MAC East in the second year. It seems pretty much the same to me. However, even though Ohio has won more MAC games in the last 5 years than any other MAC team, they haven't won a championship, and I agree that they need to get that done. Miami and Buffalo have generally sucked, but both have MAC championships in this time period. As far as the specifics, I have no knowledge of Sano, so I can't comment too much on that. The injury rate at Ohio has been very, very high, so there may be a problem.  I have also said for years that they must improve on the nutrition side. With no training table, are the kids eating the right things? I suspect there is a big room for improvement there.  Regarding playmakers on defense, most of the defense is injured. Pretty much the entire defensive line and secondary is out, so I don't see how that's a fair criticism. Personally, among the reserves I like Devin Bass. I think he's the best tackler of the lot. As for possible coaching changes, I'm open to them. I wouldn't be surprised to see them. I'm less concerned about offense than defense. Regarding the recruiting, Ohio under Solich has gone through 3 distinct phases: Phase 1 (2005-2007) - All kids were under-the-radar types. The recruiting services knew nothing about them. Few, if any, had any offers other than from Ohio. There were still some that could play, like Hartke or Mike Mitchell. Phase 2 (2008-2010)- Mostly under the radar types, some had another offer. Many were injured their Junior or Senior year, or changed positions, and so didn't get offers.  TT, Brazill, Dovell, Wosely and Carrie are examples of this group. This year's team consists mostly of this group. Phase 3 (2011-2013) - The last couple years most of the recruits have 2-4 other offers, and they are players known to the recruiting services, and they are selecting Ohio over a variety of other schools. Most of these players are redshirting, or are redshirt Freshmen, so it is early to tell how these will turn out. Ohio did pretty well with the totally under the radar group, though 2007 and 2008 weren't the greatest. As the Phase 2 players took over, 2009-2012 has been more consistent. What will the future bring, when the Phase 3 players are upperclassmen? So I would say what is needed is a little patience. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top BobcatbyProxy General User Member Since: 11/27/2010 Post Count: 15 Status: Offline     RE: Wake up call    Posted: 11/15/2012 1:03:45 PM  VAMamaCat wrote: I think the team has lost its focus because of the injuries, not an excuse, just a fact.  Here in the DC area, Maryland Terps come to mind as they have lost 3 quarterbacks to season ending injury, then their backup quarterback breaks his foot, now they are at their fifth quarterback, a converted lineman. Also seems that TT is frustrated with the play calling and OC.  Looking at other teams come up with good offensive plays and look at us going conservative would frustrate me as well.  As for conditioning, well lets concentrate more on the running (too bad track is gone cuz that surely helped with the conditioning off season for my son) and physical fitness than all that weightlifting especially for the defensive backfield.  With 2 corners and a safety with shoulder injury, something ain't clean in the water.  Concentrate them more on lower body strength (legs) and better tackling techniques.  I believe it is these subtle changes should count for next year.  Make em faster, cardio fit and fundamentally sound.  Still Love My Bobcats, Mama Proud +1 Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 11  of 11 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 284 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 283 Guests 1 Registered User:   GoCats105 There are no other users looking at this page.

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