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Why don't our DBs ever have a prayer of wrapping a guy up? (Except Bass, he looks like he wants to tackle) Why are we always injured? Why don't we have common sense in our play-calling and execution? Why do we never appear to be the more excited team to play? Why do we allow so many defenders through on field goals and punt protection? Why do we have a punt protection formation that no NFL team uses? Why do quarterbacks laugh at our pass rush? Why hasn't Gerald Moore made a play all year? Anyone have anything else to add? We may win tonight, but most of these have reared their ugly heads in the last two weeks and we have seen them throughout the Solich regime. We have talent and depth, no doubt about it, but why do we vomit all over ourselves? Why aren't the little things automatic? Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? Last Edited: 11/14/2012 10:36:44 PM by shabamon Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 10:38:24 PM  shabamon wrote: Why do we have a punt protection formation that no NFL team uses? Bad comparison. Rules for punt coverage/men downfield are different in the NFL than they are in college, hence different formations/schemes Back to Top Gallia Cat General User Member Since: 7/11/2010 Post Count: 938 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 10:57:22 PM  This sucks! We are not the same team as week 1. What could have been. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 10:59:02 PM  shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:04:25 PM  What an embarrasment.  This team in general and the defense in particular has no heart whatsoever.  It appears that the defense has absolutely no clue how to tackle.  Quite frankly, I have seen harder hitting defenses in biddy league games. I was seriously thinking about taking the kids and their friends to Kent for next week's game.  Now I would not take them across the street to see this team play.  What a joke!  And by the way, the only bowl this team deserves to go to is the toilet. Back to Top Jerry86 General User Member Since: 12/18/2010 Post Count: 651 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:08:04 PM  Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated.  And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:12:48 PM  Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated.  And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. Both sides of the ball (excepting Beau and Daz, and I don't doubt that i'm missing a couple of guys who are leaving it all on the field, but that being said...) look like they've given up. Haven't looked like they care since the missed FG. Just going through the motions. Back to Top Felix General User Member Since: 11/26/2010 Post Count: 124 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:38:03 PM  Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated.  And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. If Frank can take the credit when the team wins (complete with monetary incentives), he deserves the blame when they lose.It does look as if other MAC teams have recruited better, too. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,400 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:41:00 PM  Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated. And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. Agreed on the schedule, but could even question how good is Penn State, look at their wins. Back to Top Jerry86 General User Member Since: 12/18/2010 Post Count: 651 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/14/2012 11:44:57 PM  Felix wrote: Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated.  And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. If Frank can take the credit when the team wins (complete with monetary incentives), he deserves the blame when they lose.It does look as if other MAC teams have recruited better, too. I don't see Frank taking credit. Frank is a coaches coach. If the players fail to execute it's on them. Frank can gg through all the X's and O's but if the guys play an apathetic game then they deserve to get the heat. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:11:39 AM  Just like Frank let that punting situation go on all year and then called out the players for lack of execution? He deserves the blame as much as anyone does.  AND, we clearly aren't out-recruiting ANYONE in the league, even considering that we have the only coaching staff that is guaranteed to stick around and coach that's been to a national championship. Back to Top Jerry86 General User Member Since: 12/18/2010 Post Count: 651 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:37:04 AM  Paul Graham wrote: Just like Frank let that punting situation go on all year and then called out the players for lack of execution? He deserves the blame as much as anyone does.  AND, we clearly aren't out-recruiting ANYONE in the league, even considering that we have the only coaching staff that is guaranteed to stick around and coach that's been to a national championship. I'll assume you never played Division I intercollegiate sports. Coaches can NOT execute on game day. It's up to the players ..... I'll say it again, yank 15-20 scholarships. Why give a $100K to $125K scholarship to someone who isn't giving his best effort? Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 12:43:21 AM  Paul Graham wrote: Just like Frank let that punting situation go on all year and then called out the players for lack of execution? He deserves the blame as much as anyone does.  AND, we clearly aren't out-recruiting ANYONE in the league, even considering that we have the only coaching staff that is guaranteed to stick around and coach that's been to a national championship. A cop can tell a bank robber to stop robbing banks.  It's out of his hands after that on what the other guy does. Back to Top OUBobcat13 General User Member Since: 12/7/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 285 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 7:55:31 AM  I think this team has lost emotion for the season. After the BGSUcks loss, I think they felt their goal went out of the window. They wanted so badly to win the MACC and that wasn't going to happen. Hopefully they can finish the season out on a strong note and can regroup for next year. Looking at the roster, we very much SHOULD be better next year compared to this year. Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 8:05:04 AM  OUBobcat13 wrote: I think this team has lost emotion for the season. After the BGSUcks loss, I think they felt their goal went out of the window. They wanted so badly to win the MACC and that wasn't going to happen. Hopefully they can finish the season out on a strong note and can regroup for next year. Looking at the roster, we very much SHOULD be better next year compared to this year. Depth wise yes.......RB should be strong......WR needs a big play guy to step up.....defense needs that Noah Keller type punishing player.....a few on the roster but someone or more than one needs to step up big time....Carrie and Shaw healthy at CB should help. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 8:38:27 AM  LoganElm_grad09 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: Just like Frank let that punting situation go on all year and then called out the players for lack of execution? He deserves the blame as much as anyone does. AND, we clearly aren't out-recruiting ANYONE in the league, even considering that we have the only coaching staff that is guaranteed to stick around and coach that's been to a national championship. A cop can tell a bank robber to stop robbing banks. It's out of his hands after that on what the other guy does. Oh the Frank apologists. This staff has had 8 years and we still are getting our clocks cleaned by mid-level MAC teams. Even last year we needed last minute heroics to beat BG and Miami. Let's face it, the program has plateaued. This staff has no idea how to get our program to be a consistent winner, even given the tremendous head start they have over other teams like Kent that have had little in the way of continuity. It's one step forward and two steps back with these guys. Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 8:49:51 AM  I thought the effort was there from the players, personally.  They played a physical game.  They just made too many mistakes and it snowballed.  Losing your two top DTs on the same play doesn't help, either. Back to Top ayfkm General User Member Since: 9/25/2010 Post Count: 15 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 9:02:32 AM  Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Bingo! Being a fan of a Frank coached team is like being a Cubs fan. There is always next year.  The MAC is where coaches go to begin their careers. Frank came here to retire. That should tell you about his abilities right there. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 9:07:41 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to ask it, but has this program hit a plateau? I guess Frank can't take it any further than this... Frank isn't out on the field. It's the players who aren't executing, especially the defense. Although we beat Penn State I think their coach nailed it .... we can't tackle. Injuries have hurt but all teams have injuries. We're at best an average MAC team. Our wins were against pathetic teams (except Penn State) and against decent teams we're being dominated. And seeing the TD that just happened our secondary looks completely demoralized. Agreed on the schedule, but could even question how good is Penn State, look at their wins. I'd argue that if we played them now, even at home, Penn State would take OUr guys by two touchdowns.  This team is so beaten up with injuries.  Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 9:12:29 AM  Last year was a really good season. This year could even be a good season if Ohio beats Kent and wins a bowl.  It's a little too early to throw in the towel.  The fan attitude reminds me of when Ohio was 2-8 with two games left in 2008.  That's puzzling since Ohio is 8-3 right now. Again, I did think the effort was there.  But once that runback and double PF gave BSU the ball on the Ohio 23, the wind went out of the sails.  It's an emotional game and when you make that many mistakes, you often lose your edge. But as far as the team giving up, I doubt it.  You'll see them come to play against Kent. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/15/2012 9:31:28 AM  I've said it until I am blue in the face and I will keep saying it...we do NOT recruit the top talent in the MAC.  Say what you want about stars but we do not get enough 3 star type guys to "finish business".  We  have definitely gotten to the middle of the pack but we are light years from the NIUs and Toledos.  Even BG, Miami and Kent will all have beaten this year (shortly).  Really disappointed that after 8 years we haven't taken it to the "next level"! Back to Top Rowdy Rufus General User Member Since: 1/11/2011 Post Count: 356 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/16/2012 12:39:01 PM  Jerry86 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: Just like Frank let that punting situation go on all year and then called out the players for lack of execution? He deserves the blame as much as anyone does.  AND, we clearly aren't out-recruiting ANYONE in the league, even considering that we have the only coaching staff that is guaranteed to stick around and coach that's been to a national championship. I'll assume you never played Division I intercollegiate sports. Coaches can NOT execute on game day. It's up to the players ..... I'll say it again, yank 15-20 scholarships. Why give a $100K to $125K scholarship to someone who isn't giving his best effort?   Tell me one player not leaving it on the field.... I would challenge you to look at their faces and into their eyes when they come off the field.  I would venture to guess you would change your comments.   These are players that looked stunned..  Their lost looking for answers... That's what I see when they are coming off the field.   Someone that was just going through the motions would not look like this. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Why?    Posted: 11/16/2012 3:12:16 PM  Casper71 wrote: I've said it until I am blue in the face and I will keep saying it...we do NOT recruit the top talent in the MAC.  Say what you want about stars but we do not get enough 3 star type guys to "finish business".  We  have definitely gotten to the middle of the pack but we are light years from the NIUs and Toledos.  Even BG, Miami and Kent will all have beaten this year (shortly).  Really disappointed that after 8 years we haven't taken it to the "next level"! It has been a slow steady climb. As I said on another thread, there have been 3 distinct stages in recruiting: 2005-2007 - Almost all the recruits were under-the-radar players. Few had any other offers. Most of the time the recruiting services didn't even know they existed. That didn't mean there weren't some players in there. 2008-2010 - About half of the recruits had other offers. Many were players that the services missed because they had been injured their Junior or Senior year, or because they changed positions.  Guys that fit that mold were Carrie, Brazill, TT, Woseley and Dovell. 2011-2013 - During this period there was a dramatic jump in the visibility of Ohio recruits. Now all of them, or virtually all of them, are known to the major recruiting services. Almost all of them have at least 1-4 offers, and some have picked Ohio over 7 other alternatives. What is new in 2013 is that the class is also filling early, and we are seeing recruits taking Ohio as a first choice, not as a last minute decision. Places like Toledo, BG, and Miami have always gotten recruits like those we are now seeing. Ohio managed to be competitive with those schools even with under-the-radar recruits. I can only imagine that Ohio will do even better with those they are bringing in now. Even now is Ohio recruiting "the top talent in the MAC"? Probably not, but they are a lot closer, and they can see it from here. Fortunately, however, I don't think they need the top talent - they just need competitive talent, and they have that. There are a number of your "three star guys" in the 2013 class. The ratings have not all been done, and there will be much re-rating upwards in the next couple months, if this year is like others, but even now there are six players already rated 3 stars by at least one service: Zachary Murdock - Rivals James Walsh - Rivals, ESPN, 247Sports Leon Alexander - Scout Justin Wyatt - ESPN Cedric Brown - 247Sports Mason Morgan - 247 Sports Last Edited: 11/16/2012 3:24:45 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 23  of 23 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 287 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 285 Guests 2 Registered Users:   GoCats105, OUs LONG Driver There are no other users looking at this page.

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