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   Posted: 11/17/2012 2:48:49 PM 
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.

Go Bobcats!

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:05:26 PM 
Ok, it's Bush's fault!
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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:16:29 PM 
Don't think you  get my point. Critical, okay. Trying to destroy ourselves from the inside - not okay.

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:19:15 PM 
Maybe someone needs to do a poll.....maybe a simple yes/no response on whether we are a better football program with or without Frank.  We get quite a few recruit looks and locks because of him.  Would you rather roll the dice and get a Knorr type coach?

He has spoiled us with last year. This year isn't over but all the injuries have made us a team that of course is not as good as last years.  With our fingers and toes crossed and no injuries we should be a better team next year.

Making TT a second string QB is not the answer. We are stuck with these coaches so lkets hope they make the right calls. We will have a toughter schedule next year but teams will underestimate us....kinda like we did with a few teams this year. Injured players will be back. Rookies who made dumb mistakes will be smarter.

As I've said before....step back from the ledge.
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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:21:40 PM 
Sony7 wrote:
Don't think you  get my point. Critical, okay. Trying to destroy ourselves from the inside - not okay.



That's the way we roll....circle the wagons and shoot inside.
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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:29:37 PM 
Sony7 wrote:
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.


Try not to get too worked up over 3-4-5 yahoos complaining like that about Solich and etc.



Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 3:53:00 PM 
Sony7 wrote:
Don't think you  get my point. Critical, okay. Trying to destroy ourselves from the inside - not okay.



I read your post again, and I can see your point. The team does need to come together, and we shouldn't sow
discord among them. Hopefully, Solich will make the necessary changes to get us back on track.

Last Edited: 11/18/2012 9:03:10 AM by Felix
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   Posted: 11/17/2012 4:17:29 PM 
I guess the real question is, is this an Ohio Department of Athletics message board/site or is it an independent Bobcat fan/alumni message board?

If it's the latter, fans/alumni have every right to critique play calling, talent level of coaches and playcalling, whether players are being developed and improving each year, who should - in their opinion - be playing or not, and if players appear not to be bringing their A game.  That's what fans do, and that's what draws us to this quality forum.  

There shouldn't be personal, non-football-related attacks directed at players or coaches, but what happens on the field or the preparation, recruiting leading up to it is fair game.   We applaud, travel to see the team play, buy tickets, stand up and cheer, boast about our team in the office coffee room and also critique when they look like a Jekyll and Hyde team or play with little focus or passion.  

They are us, and we them.  We all represent Ohio University.  But it's not just rah-rah all the time.  I respect and like Solich and am glad he's here...hopefully will be for many years.  But I can also critique the end result, predictable play calling, poor clock management and when a team looks unprepared for the opposition.  Yes, expectations have been raised and need to be.  It should be every team's goal to win the championship every year.  That's why you play the games...it's a W business...on the field at least.

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 4:48:15 PM 
BleedinBobcat wrote:
I guess the real question is, is this an Ohio Department of Athletics message board/site or is it an independent Bobcat fan/alumni message board?

If it's the latter, fans/alumni have every right to critique play calling, talent level of coaches and playcalling, whether players are being developed and improving each year, who should - in their opinion - be playing or not, and if players appear not to be bringing their A game.  That's what fans do, and that's what draws us to this quality forum.  

There shouldn't be personal, non-football-related attacks directed at players or coaches, but what happens on the field or the preparation, recruiting leading up to it is fair game.   We applaud, travel to see the team play, buy tickets, stand up and cheer, boast about our team in the office coffee room and also critique when they look like a Jekyll and Hyde team or play with little focus or passion.  

They are us, and we them.  We all represent Ohio University.  But it's not just rah-rah all the time.  I respect and like Solich and am glad he's here...hopefully will be for many years.  But I can also critique the end result, predictable play calling, poor clock management and when a team looks unprepared for the opposition.  Yes, expectations have been raised and need to be.  It should be every team's goal to win the championship every year.  That's why you play the games...it's a W business...on the field at least.

Go Cats.


Hey bro....you can bitch and moan and wail to your heart contents.  Nothing will be deleted. Let us know how much the players and coaches disgust ya.....we'll let ya.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is there still a big mental hospital in Athens - We need one!
   Posted: 11/17/2012 6:56:31 PM 
BleedinBobcat wrote:
...There shouldn't be personal, non-football-related attacks directed at players or coaches, but what happens on the field or the preparation, recruiting leading up to it is fair game.   We applaud, travel to see the team play, buy tickets, stand up and cheer, boast about our team in the office coffee room and also critique when they look like a Jekyll and Hyde team or play with little focus or passion.  ....

I think everyone agrees that personal, non-football related attacks are not appropriate. The place where there is disagreement is where to draw certain other lines. The thing I hope everyone remembers is that these are kids, mostly 18-21. They are students, too. They are not professional athletes. They play for scholarships, yes, but they also play for the love of the game. I know that not everyone agrees with me, but I think that calling out a specific player for a specific play is generally not called for, given that they are not professionals. I know that the coaches tell the players to have thick skins, and I know the coaches tell them not to read sites like this, but I am pretty sure that the players are aware of what is said here, and I suspect that, because they are still kids, it does affect play at times, and I have no doubt that when it does affect play, the effect will be adverse. Everyone has the right to say what they want, and the moderators don't delete a lot of stuff. Thus, you can pretty much say anything you want, but that doesn't always mean its a good idea.

By contrast, the coaches are both professionals and public figures. Therefore, if people want to criticize Albin for play calls, that is fine. If they wan to want to criticize Burrow for his defenses, again, fine. If you want to criticize Sano for conditioning, fine. They are all paid for it, and fair game.

Last Edited: 11/17/2012 7:00:26 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 7:16:37 PM 
I think tqat the real problem is that bandwaqon fans see us in SI and have delusions of grandeur...and when we lose they conceive us as the suckiest of those that suck,  They must have have been in a coma in the Knorr years....no actually they looked at at wins and losses and said I'll root for the Buckeyes....bandwagon fans suck.

And you say we have no bandwagon fans and KI see people on here making negative responses that I've never seen before....hummmmmmm.
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   Posted: 11/17/2012 8:02:20 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I think tqat the real problem is that bandwaqon fans see us in SI and have delusions of grandeur...

I agree with you, Doc. One assumption that a new fan might make is that if Ohio is ranked #25, they have talent comparable to other top 25 teams. If you start with that assumption, then you reach some interesting conclusions. You could conclude that Ohio should dominate all bad teams, that Ohio should be able to execute every play at a high level, and that Ohio should have enough depth to replace those that get hurt. Is that a valid assumption? Are those valid conclusions?

As some have pointed out, Ohio's recruiting classes of the past have moved up in recent years, but are still average for the MAC, while the older classes (say, 2005-2008) were mostly below average.  If Ohio has average incoming talent incoming talent, would any of the conclusions above be true? To me, Ohio is competitive because the players have worked harder than the players at other schools, and because the coaches know and understand what they have to work with, and have systems in place to work with that level of talent. The result is that they win a lot more than the lose, now, and are generally in the top of the MAC.

If one starts with the assumption that Ohio has Top 25 level talent, then if they end up third in the MAC East, that's a poor coaching performance, and poor effort by the players, even with 15 players out. If one starts with the assumption that the raw talent is average for the MAC, and with 15 players out, lower than average for the MAC, then ending in the top half, and getting a bowl bid is a pretty reasonable accomplishment. Further, if they beat Kent, and win a bowl, 10 wins is very good, considering the hurdles they had to overcome.

I'm sure everyone has their own measures of how good a job a coach is doing. Mine is pretty simple. I compare how the teams actually end up with quality of their recruiting classes. On average the two should be equal, and mathematically it has to be true that for every coach whose teams do better than the incoming recruit quality there is some other coach whose team does worse than the recruit quality. Thus, to me, a coach like Mack Brown, at Texas, who always has Top 5 recruiting classes, but who almost never has a team finish in the Top 5, is not doing that great of a job.

By contrast, Solich does OK, because his teams are consistently higher rated than the incoming recruits were. I happen to think that the recruiting services under-rate Ohio's classes but, working with what we have, the core of this year's team is the recruiting classes from 2008-2010 (Redshirt-Sophomores to Seniors). According to Scout.com those Ohio classes ranked 118, 96, 105, an average of 106. According to Rivals, those classes ranked 119, 83, 90, an average of 96. Even if I'm right, and those are low, the fact that before the injury bug bit, the team was playing at a close to Top 25 level is pretty remarkable.

Now that they have worked this hard, and now that the coaches have these systems in place, do I expect them to play better than they did the last 5-6 games? Absolutely. I expect them to play to their potential, a potential that is higher now than when they came in as recruits. I trust that they can re-group, and play better against Kent, and in a bowl. Those will both be difficult games, and Ohio will be an underdog, but I'm not ready to concede.

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 8:48:12 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I think tqat the real problem is that bandwaqon fans see us in SI and have delusions of grandeur...

I agree with you, Doc. One assumption that a new fan might make is that if Ohio is ranked #25, they have talent comparable to other top 25 teams. If you start with that assumption, then you reach some interesting conclusions. You could conclude that Ohio should dominate all bad teams, that Ohio should be able to execute every play at a high level, and that Ohio should have enough depth to replace those that get hurt. Is that a valid assumption? Are those valid conclusions?

As some have pointed out, Ohio's recruiting classes of the past have moved up in recent years, but are still average for the MAC, while the older classes (say, 2005-2008) were mostly below average.  If Ohio has average incoming talent incoming talent, would any of the conclusions above be true? To me, Ohio is competitive because the players have worked harder than the players at other schools, and because the coaches know and understand what they have to work with, and have systems in place to work with that level of talent. The result is that they win a lot more than the lose, now, and are generally in the top of the MAC.

If one starts with the assumption that Ohio has Top 25 level talent, then if they end up third in the MAC East, that's a poor coaching performance, and poor effort by the players, even with 15 players out. If one starts with the assumption that the raw talent is average for the MAC, and with 15 players out, lower than average for the MAC, then ending in the top half, and getting a bowl bid is a pretty reasonable accomplishment. Further, if they beat Kent, and win a bowl, 10 wins is very good, considering the hurdles they had to overcome.

I'm sure everyone has their own measures of how good a job a coach is doing. Mine is pretty simple. I compare how the teams actually end up with quality of their recruiting classes. On average the two should be equal, and mathematically it has to be true that for every coach whose teams do better than the incoming recruit quality there is some other coach whose team does worse than the recruit quality. Thus, to me, a coach like Mack Brown, at Texas, who always has Top 5 recruiting classes, but who almost never has a team finish in the Top 5, is not doing that great of a job.

By contrast, Solich does OK, because his teams are consistently higher rated than the incoming recruits were. I happen to think that the recruiting services under-rate Ohio's classes but, working with what we have, the core of this year's team is the recruiting classes from 2008-2010 (Redshirt-Sophomores to Seniors). According to Scout.com those Ohio classes ranked 118, 96, 105, an average of 106. According to Rivals, those classes ranked 119, 83, 90, an average of 96. Even if I'm right, and those are low, the fact that before the injury bug bit, the team was playing at a close to Top 25 level is pretty remarkable.

Now that they have worked this hard, and now that the coaches have these systems in place, do I expect them to play better than they did the last 5-6 games? Absolutely. I expect them to play to their potential, a potential that is higher now than when they came in as recruits. I trust that they can re-group, and play better against Kent, and in a bowl. Those will both be difficult games, and Ohio will be an underdog, but I'm not ready to concede.


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   Posted: 11/17/2012 9:52:44 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
BleedinBobcat wrote:
I guess the real question is, is this an Ohio Department of Athletics message board/site or is it an independent Bobcat fan/alumni message board?

If it's the latter, fans/alumni have every right to critique play calling, talent level of coaches and playcalling, whether players are being developed and improving each year, who should - in their opinion - be playing or not, and if players appear not to be bringing their A game.  That's what fans do, and that's what draws us to this quality forum.  

There shouldn't be personal, non-football-related attacks directed at players or coaches, but what happens on the field or the preparation, recruiting leading up to it is fair game.   We applaud, travel to see the team play, buy tickets, stand up and cheer, boast about our team in the office coffee room and also critique when they look like a Jekyll and Hyde team or play with little focus or passion.  

They are us, and we them.  We all represent Ohio University.  But it's not just rah-rah all the time.  I respect and like Solich and am glad he's here...hopefully will be for many years.  But I can also critique the end result, predictable play calling, poor clock management and when a team looks unprepared for the opposition.  Yes, expectations have been raised and need to be.  It should be every team's goal to win the championship every year.  That's why you play the games...it's a W business...on the field at least.

Go Cats.


Hey bro....you can bitch and moan and wail to your heart contents.  Nothing will be deleted. Let us know how much the players and coaches disgust ya.....we'll let ya.


Wow.  A bit sensitive, bro?   "Disgust ya"?    Did you actually read the post?  

Why don't you take a breath and slowly read my post.  I think you might then understand that I basically said I love the Cats, I support them in many ways, I applaud them more than I critique, yet as a fan and alum, I can very well give my opinion of how the team is playing.  Not that I need to mention this, but I do know some of the personnel, so don't judge my support of the team.

And maybe, after re-reading, your thin-skin can toughen up and realize you shouldn't use phrases like "...how much they disgust ya."  I never came close to saying anything like that, and wouldn't.   Your words, not mine.


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   Posted: 11/17/2012 10:08:11 PM 
The point of my original post was not to cause more discord, it was just to recognize the gains we have made in the past ten years. I'm happy to be a bobcat, and yes we can disagree all we want , just don't eat our own.

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 10:30:45 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I think tqat the real problem is that bandwaqon fans see us in SI and have delusions of grandeur...and when we lose they conceive us as the suckiest of those that suck,  They must have have been in a coma in the Knorr years....no actually they looked at at wins and losses and said I'll root for the Buckeyes....bandwagon fans suck.

And you say we have no bandwagon fans and KI see people on here making negative responses that I've never seen before....hummmmmmm.


Stereotype much, Doc?  By your narrow, shoot from the hip definition, any fan that says anything that isn't flowery and beautiful about a loss, or predictable play calling or lackluster body language -- and who hasn't been on your Board since 2004 is a "bandwagon fan"?  

I'm not sure if you're painting everyone with that brush, but I've been a fan for 35 years...I just re-connected with this board recently.  (just because people weren't on this Board, doesn't mean they weren't active elsewhere...or they could be a younger fan like, uh, I dunno, an OU student!).    

And even if I was a student and on this board for the first time, you should welcome new people, voices, opinions.  It keeps the world - and your forum - less stale, and helps build Bobcat Nation stronger.   And who knows, those fans may actually be bigger fans than you.  No need to be exclusive...unless you're capping membership in your "club."

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   Posted: 11/17/2012 10:53:45 PM 
BleedinBobcat, we do welcome all CAT fans to this site. And you can say what you want. My point for this thread was, do not make things worse, let's help to make things better. Be critical, but not personal. The reason for the post in the first place was that some were personally attacking the coach or players in the past four weeks. If you are my age, you'd remember 1-9 seasons. I'm just saying we came a long way. We were once the Eastern Michigan of the MAC - we are now a power house. Those who do not know history are bound to repeat it. Let's speak our minds in a respectful way. Can we all agree with that?

Last Edited: 11/17/2012 10:54:57 PM by Sony7

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   Posted: 11/18/2012 1:52:08 AM 
If they can take individual praise then they can also take individual criticism. They are adults, not 10-year olds playing Pop Warner.
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   Posted: 11/18/2012 9:22:56 AM 
BleedinBobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
I think tqat the real problem is that bandwaqon fans see us in SI and have delusions of grandeur...and when we lose they conceive us as the suckiest of those that suck,  They must have have been in a coma in the Knorr years....no actually they looked at at wins and losses and said I'll root for the Buckeyes....bandwagon fans suck.

And you say we have no bandwagon fans and KI see people on here making negative responses that I've never seen before....hummmmmmm.


Stereotype much, Doc?  By your narrow, shoot from the hip definition, any fan that says anything that isn't flowery and beautiful about a loss, or predictable play calling or lackluster body language -- and who hasn't been on your Board since 2004 is a "bandwagon fan"?  

I'm not sure if you're painting everyone with that brush, but I've been a fan for 35 years...I just re-connected with this board recently.  (just because people weren't on this Board, doesn't mean they weren't active elsewhere...or they could be a younger fan like, uh, I dunno, an OU student!).    

And even if I was a student and on this board for the first time, you should welcome new people, voices, opinions.  It keeps the world - and your forum - less stale, and helps build Bobcat Nation stronger.   And who knows, those fans may actually be bigger fans than you.  No need to be exclusive...unless you're capping membership in your "club."

Go Bobcats!!!


I'm not a painter...... but if all the attacks on the players  and coaches don't bother you then so be it. I've challenged play calling and who's playing and who's not.....but the excessive amount of  personal attacks recently in the light of all OUr injuries seems to me to be  somewhat unwarranted.......and yes I do shoot from the hip....nobody's perfect.....oh....and the definition.....that's yours not mine......but here we ago again.....and I'm as much to blame as anyone..... the circling the wagons and shooting inside club.
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   Posted: 11/18/2012 10:16:14 AM 
Sony7 wrote:
BleedinBobcat, we do welcome all CAT fans to this site. And you can say what you want. My point for this thread was, do not make things worse, let's help to make things better. Be critical, but not personal. The reason for the post in the first place was that some were personally attacking the coach or players in the past four weeks. If you are my age, you'd remember 1-9 seasons. I'm just saying we came a long way. We were once the Eastern Michigan of the MAC - we are now a power house. Those who do not know history are bound to repeat it. Let's speak our minds in a respectful way. Can we all agree with that?




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   Posted: 11/18/2012 7:35:57 PM 
bostonbobcat wrote:
If they can take individual praise then they can also take individual criticism. They are adults, not 10-year olds playing Pop Warner.


These student athletes have been picked by the coaches to represent Ohio. Most came because of the coaches.  The coaches  are winners who teach hard work + dedication = excellence.   The players study, lift, practice, study film, do community service and persevere through injury. It used to be risk injury but they are now trained to the edge of what the body can take. Coach Solich works very hard to provide a positive and supportive environment. There is a tremendous amount of coaching done by the staff.   The coaches critique (assess) performances in order to help the players get better.  Did I say they try to provide a positive supportive environment?  Things don't always go as planned, but, players don't get things wrong on purpose.  Criticism (disapproval) sometimes sneaks out, though, if that is all one brings to the table you have no business in the positive, supportive environment. We have a group of "fans" who have specialized in disapproval. It is easy, I guess.  I really hope that when the players open our board they find enough positive and supportive fans that they know we have their backs.

Last Edited: 11/18/2012 7:38:08 PM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 11/19/2012 8:58:48 AM 
Sony7 wrote:
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.


Solich did come to Ohio to retire. Sure, he's done an fine job, but he's peaked.  This is as good as it gets under Frank.  Contend for conference championships, but never win them. Make it to a toilet bowl. Rinse. Repeat. That is fine for some, but not for others.  Some people were calling Ohio the "Boise of the east" earlier in the year. That could happen, but not with Frank at the helm.  Gonna need new blood to get over that hump. People can cry "but remember what we were before Frank" until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that many better coaches have come to the MAC, won championships and moved on while Frank sits here and draws a paycheck, content that he has a job until the day he doesn't want one.
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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is there still a big mental hospital in Athens - We need one!
   Posted: 11/19/2012 9:37:55 AM 
ayfkm wrote:
Sony7 wrote:
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.


Solich did come to Ohio to retire. Sure, he's done an fine job, but he's peaked.  This is as good as it gets under Frank.  Contend for conference championships, but never win them. Make it to a toilet bowl. Rinse. Repeat. That is fine for some, but not for others.  Some people were calling Ohio the "Boise of the east" earlier in the year. That could happen, but not with Frank at the helm.  Gonna need new blood to get over that hump. People can cry "but remember what we were before Frank" until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that many better coaches have come to the MAC, won championships and moved on while Frank sits here and draws a paycheck, content that he has a job until the day he doesn't want one.


I really have to disagree.  Before Coach Solich came aboard, Ohio was amonst the dregs of FBS football, plain and simple.  At a minimum Coach Solich has put Ohio on the map again.  Injuries have crippled us this year, it happens and is part of football.  I'd like to see where Kent State or Northern Illinois would be with 15 players on injured reserve for the year.  Not where they are now, that's for sure.

AYFKM, where do you honestly expect Ohio football to go?  A perennial BCS contender?  There's no way that will happen and I don't care who coaches Ohio.  With our present infrastructure for sports (with which I'm fine by the way, so please don't construe this as a criticism of Ohio's priorities), Ohio has no business competing with the big boys of college football day in and day out.  Our stadium's small, old and well past its age.  We're one of the last teams in the MAC to finally get an IPF.  Ohio just can't compete with the major arms race that's going on in the BCS unless it gets a HUGE infusion of $$$$, in the tens of millions' of dollar's worth.  Personally, I'd rather see Ohio spend that kind of coin fixing up the rest of the campus because the campus really needs it.  So long story short, yes this year's gone downhill pretty fast but I'll still take it over all the last umteem years before Solich arrived.

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Robert Fox
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   Posted: 11/19/2012 9:48:12 AM 
ayfkm wrote:
Sony7 wrote:
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.


Solich did come to Ohio to retire. Sure, he's done an fine job, but he's peaked.  This is as good as it gets under Frank.  Contend for conference championships, but never win them. Make it to a toilet bowl. Rinse. Repeat. That is fine for some, but not for others.  Some people were calling Ohio the "Boise of the east" earlier in the year. That could happen, but not with Frank at the helm.  Gonna need new blood to get over that hump. People can cry "but remember what we were before Frank" until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that many better coaches have come to the MAC, won championships and moved on while Frank sits here and draws a paycheck, content that he has a job until the day he doesn't want one.


Are you a legitimate OU fan, or are you a Husker fan weighing in on Solich? 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Is there still a big mental hospital in Athens - We need one!
   Posted: 11/19/2012 10:02:26 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
ayfkm wrote:
Sony7 wrote:
I understand getting upset with a few losses to very good teams. I understand the disappointment, even misery a fan experiences when you lose a big game. What I don't understand is how fans can turn against a team that has given so much excitement (not to mention great public relations and recognition to our school). Coach Solich is the best thing that has happened for OHIO football. Beau and Tyler are two of the best to play for OHIO and we have others that will join them. Vent all you want, but please don't attack the coach or the players. You can be critical of the call made on the field or the missed tackles or the problems with the special teams, but remember, the coach and players are the ones who feel these losses the most. Don't say coach Solich came to OHIO to retire - like he doesn't care. The man is a winner, and he has brought a great brand of football to OHIO. OHIO athletics are on the rise in nearly every area. We are no longer student athletes alternative choice, we are increasingly becoming the primary choice to study and play, and much of that is because of coach Solich. Let's tough through this together bobcats, and be thankful for our recent gains instead of trying to rip apart our teams from the inside.


Solich did come to Ohio to retire. Sure, he's done an fine job, but he's peaked.  Thi.s is as good as it gets under Frank.  Contend for conference championships, but never win them. Make it to a toilet bowl. Rinse. Repeat. That is fine for some, but not for others.  Some people were calling Ohio the "Boise of the east" earlier in the year. That could happen, but not with Frank at the helm.  Gonna need new blood to get over that hump. People can cry "but remember what we were before Frank" until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that many better coaches have come to the MAC, won championships and moved on while Frank sits here and draws a paycheck, content that he has a job until the day he doesn't want one.


Are you a legitimate OU fan, or are you a Husker fan weighing in on Solich? 


Probably Steve Pederson slipping something under the door by a pseudonym.

Last Edited: 11/19/2012 10:04:29 AM by Bcat2

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