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Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:14:03 PM

First of all I think Tyler Tettleton is a nice guy. He started out the season as a leader with a lot of confidence. However, I think he lost all confidence after the Miami game. Is this his fault? Partially, but I think he really needed some help from the coaches or others to bring his confidence back. His body language the last couple of games has been terrible. He runs off the field after a sack and doesn't talk to anyone on the sidelines (including the backup Vick). He is still completely bothered by the last play in the Miami game and cannot make a play in the red zone. The quarterback should be the leader of the team and when he appears to want to "run and hide" there is no chance for the team to win. Why didn't we give Vick a few snaps in the second half? It is pretty obvious that Tyler has not been the same for several games and we have needed to move in a new direction

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:21:42 PM

Vick cant change the hits Tyler took, fix the injuries on the O-Line, and if anything the play calling gets even more conservative if thats even possible.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:34:43 PM

There is definitely something wrong with Tettleton and I agree it seems to have started with the loss to the foreskins. He hangs onto the ball way too long with the pocket collapsing around him and is far less likely to pull the ball down and run with it as he has been in the past.

I too was hoping Frank would put Vick in if for any other reason to get him some more experience in a live game situation. He couldn't have been much worse than Tyler was today. He was sacked what, eight times?

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:40:15 PM

They put Vick in last week for a series when the game was still in doubt and nothing happened. I don't think it helped T2's confidence, and in fact brought out the rift between him and Solich. Remember, T2 will be back next season, so replacing him while there's still a chance to win doesn't help his confidence, and really doesn't do much for the team. A lot of what's been wrong with T2 is that Donte is the only receiver getting open so the opposition has been double and triple teaming him. What I saw today was that finally T2's reaching a comfort level with receivers other than Donte. He threw to Cochran several times and seemed to rely on Futrell a bit more. Maybe the practice between now and the bowl game will help.

Last Edited: 11/23/2012 4:42:00 PM by Pataskala

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:56:14 PM

You can't put Vick into one series and expect something to happen. Vick needed to play the whole second half today. You can tell when your QB is "done" when he rans out of bounds on a 4th and 17 and doesn't even try to throw the ball. What is the worst that could happen if he throws the ball " up for grabs" and we are behind by 22???

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:14:35 PM

FWIW, I think after TT was hurt earlier this season he should have sat out two games and not the one. I don't think his arm strength is what it was and that he never really healed. He hasn't looked as sharp as we expect and maybe we have put too much pressure on him with our expectations of performance.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:24:58 PM

IMO the Kid has played hurt since NMSU.We have not run the same offense since. Would not be surprised to hear he played the majority of the season with some type of shoulder injury. That coupled with the tsunami of other injuries to probably even the water boy and the once promising season really came crashing down with injuries that would have throttled any team.

Just the way the ball bounces as they say Life Ain't Fair.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:34:55 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

Bingo!! I think Ohio's offensive woes stem from what BobcatSports and 74 Cat said. Couple that with all of the defensive injuries and things just snowballed out of control. Had Tettleton been as healthy as last year, maybe the playcalling wouldn't have been as conservative this year as it was.

And as another poster mentioned elsewhere, the absolute lack of senior leadership didn't help matters. Hopefully it will be different next year.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 5:49:48 PM

OU always deals with alot of injuries (conditioning problem must not be very good) but it goes beyond that. The team lacks leadership and is not getting it from the coaches, QB, etc. How will next season be any different? If the QB is injured then don't play him!! Especially when you are done by 22 with 5 minutes to play!!

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:01:19 PM

TO YOU, DO INJURIES TO TT OR OTHERS EXPLAIN THE LACK OF QUICK THROWS, SLANTS, THROWS TO THE TIGHT END IN THE PASSING GAME? THE REFUSAL TO RUN TRUE HURRY UP? TO FAKE THE PASS AND RUN, OR VICE VERSA?

I'LL GRANT THAT INJURIES PLAYED SOME ROLE. BUT TO NOT LAY MOST OF THIS AT THE PLAY-CALLING IS TO IGNORE THAT WHICH WE CALL 'REALITY.'

TRY THIS PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU'D'VE WATCHED OHIO'S GAMES THIS YEAR AND, THEN, HAD TO PREPARE TO DEFEND THE CONCEPT OF THIS OFFENSE, WOULD YOU BE WORRIED OR CONFIDENT?

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:19:39 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Monroe, you're right as you've watched more Ohio football this year than I have, but I will say this-had Jordan Thompson been healthy and playing, we would have seen plenty of quick throws to the tight end.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:20:22 PM

In 2011 TT averaged 4.24 yards per carry on 118 attempts in 9 MAC games including the championship vs NI. If my memory is correct, TT had numerous running plays that took what the defense gave him.

In 2012 prior to today's Kent game, in conference games, TT has averaged, 1.93 yards per carry on 75 attempts.

That is an extremely HUGE difference. One play today I recall him faking a sweep to Beau and keeping it for a run up the gut. But I don't recall in this game and very few others where he faked up the middle and he tried skeedaddling around the edge. Perhaps the defensive ends in the conference who look like they all just go for Beau could recover and drop TT for a loss but unless you try it a couple of times a game we'll never know.

If a game plan is based on a dual threat than the second threat needs to be found as it has not been on the field the entire season. Is this by design?

When things are going great TT is the guy to have running an offense. When things are going poorly, he does not appear to be Moses leading the team to the promised land.

To his defense, I'd take him over Kent's undefeated MAC QB Spencer Keith. But having an attacking and disruptive defense and a power running attack makes Keith the winner with his minimal skills. Even Keith ran it twice on designed plays.

The Ohio defense played well today outside of the backfield letting receivers get wide open 3 times. But even with today's effort, I'd be hard pressed to name even one Bobcat who would crack into the Kent defensive lineup . They are superior at Linebacker and DB and with 8 sacks, and bunches of hurries vs Keith drying his hair or shaving waiting for a receiver to come free I don't think any on the line could cut it either. This is a HUGE advantage for Kent having a defense that dominates. Knocking fumbles and making the opponent QB look impotent is something Ohio fans have simply NEVER seen.

It also helps Kent that they have superior smarts when it comes to play calling. That 4th quarter TD pass was a slick play with nobody flanked and it looked like on third and a few that Kent would run and all of a sudden three receivers are deep in the end zone and bang, a wide open receiver for the score.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:43:43 PM

The guy got sacked at least 8 times today.

Look at the sack numbers the last 5 games.

Can't blame Tettleton at all.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 6:49:14 PM

If he throws the ball away he gets sacked a maxium of 3 times today. He doesn't move in the pocket like he did before the Miami game. He is a totally different QB. Not too hard to see.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 8:41:54 PM

nc wrote:

If he throws the ball away he gets sacked a maxium of 3 times today. He doesn't move in the pocket like he did before the Miami game. He is a totally different QB. Not too hard to see.

I just don't think throwing the ball away 5 times and taking only 3 sacks is the solution.

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Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 8:42:31 PM

I asked a couple of my friends, who are long time football coaches, why it appeared that TT got worse as the season went on. They both said that a QB can appear to be a lot worse if the O line is different than they are used to. If thay have a "count in their head" based on the usual line and that gets shortened then it looks as though it is all the QB's fault. It is likely a result of not adjusting to the usual conditions. So yes it is his fault for not adjusting but according to these guys, who played and coached a lot of football that adjustment is a lot easier to say than it is to do.

It is easy for us to say "just throw it away" but it must not be quite that easy to pull off. Yes, if he had just thrown it away rather than get sacked it could have made a difference but me thinks we need to be a bit more cognizant of the impact of injuries to the team...

Doesn't make me like it though.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/23/2012 8:44:22 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

The guy got sacked at least 8 times today.

Look at the sack numbers the last 5 games.

Can't blame Tettleton at all.

TT doe need to learn, incomplete > sack. Perhaps half are TT trying to make something from nothing then not being able to just get rid of the ball.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/24/2012 10:25:15 AM

Could we please quit bringing up Vick as a viable option at quarterback this year or next year? Tyler Tettleton has done a lot for Ohio football and has been a warrior all season. Against Kan't I noticed him constantly messing with his hand and his fingers. The offensive line has put him under duress all year. Should he get rid of the ball quicker? Yes. Should he keep his focus? Yes. But he is still one of the best quarterbacks in the MAC and in the country and with health next year, I look for a breakout again. Don't sleep on T2.

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RE: Tettleton

Posted: 11/24/2012 11:04:42 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

I agree that T2 has taken too much on his own shoulders that last five games. A lot of it stems from the injuries to the receivers and the O line. Nobody's getting open and he's been getting tons of pressure. Changing QBs when you're still in the game isn't the answer. When they brought Vick in at BSU they sent a strong signal that they were throwing in the towel. Better blocking -- schemes and execution -- is one answer. Something to work on before the bowl game.

Last Edited: 11/24/2012 11:06:01 AM by Pataskala

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