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Topic: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC? (NT)

Topic: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC? (NT)

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Gallia Cat
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Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC? (NT)

Posted: 11/27/2012 9:54:52 PM

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Gallia Cat
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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:00:02 PM

I ask this because there seems to be some a lot of their fans that are all of a sudden thinking the MAC might be the place to be after all. I don't begrudge them for taking a shot at what was perceived to be a superior league at the time. There have been time on this board where Ohio fans have day dreamed about making that move to the "Big Time".

Personally I would be in favor of them returning. There is currently a poll on Herd Nation asking what now in terms of conference affiliation and the MAC has a solid lead.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:08:18 PM

The prodigal son shall returneth.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:22:14 PM

I'd like some guarantee that they'll stick around for 7 to 10 years, with no time off for good behavior. Hate to think they'd just use the MAC as that "port in the storm" while they search for Utopia.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:45:33 PM

Don't know any of the details about how they left, etc... but from somewhat of an outsiders point of view, yes I'd take them back. I don't look down on them for one bit trying to take a leap of faith onto the next level. Using the old baseball saying, "don't sit there and take strike three looking, take a cut." At least they took a swing and aren't going sitting around with their bats on their shoulders. It would however make life in the MAC East quite a bit tougher...

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:56:40 PM

Pataskala wrote:

I don't think there is a Utopia for Marshall in the new world that's shaking out. Their state's allegiance is with the "flagship" school. They're in a tiny media market. They have no history in a Big 6 conference. Sounds sadly familiar.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 11:03:08 PM

I don't get it. Marshall was kicked out of the MAC for major violations. They ruled the MAC the second time around in football, but it was proved they committed major violations in doing so. And the spineless fools that ran this conference at the time refused to make them vacate any titles in the sad, pathetic hopes they would stick around. Look at what the Herd did, institutional-approved funding on non-qualifiers, compared to, say, Ohio State, and the disparity of the sanctions. Marshall has never won one single MAC title without cheating while doing it, no matter what the records say. Never, ever, ever, ever let them back in the conference.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/27/2012 11:08:06 PM

Very True, but yet the vast majority wants them back??????

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 8:14:59 AM

Having two teams to really hate in conference for myself would make things sweeter for the autumn and winter!! (Marshall and Fiami

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 9:17:43 AM

Mike C. summed up my feelings. NO WAY.

We don't need them anyway. We can still kick them around every year or two whether they're in the MAC or not.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 10:41:42 AM

Was Toledo forced to forfeit their 2004 MAC championship after the point shaving scandal broke (which, IMO, is much worse than no-show jobs)? Was there serious discussion about kicking them out of the conference? Marshall's violations a decade ago don't bother me as far as whether they should be permitted back in today....the sentence was served, they're off probation, and the people at the center of that mess are no longer affiliated with the university.

But Marshall isn't coming back to the MAC. Yes, there is a certain segment of the fanbase that wouldn't mind back in, but in general there is too much pride there, and they will always down look at the MAC and think they deserve to be in a bigger pond. If we're going to exclude them, that's the reason why: they can't be happy in the MAC. It would be just a matter of time before they'd bolt, and the whole point of being in the MAC is stability.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:20:25 AM

C Money wrote:

I think C Money is probably on the money here.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:22:33 AM

Mike and Athena, I may be naive here, but I really don't think Marshall would cheat if they were allowed back in the MAC. I would favor taking them back.

However, I think C Money is correct in that pride would keep them from doing it. They look down on the MAC.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 4:05:21 PM

Only if Marshall had to sign a ten-year agreement to stay in the MAC. If they want out earlier than the 10-years, they would have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the league. I think the MAC's stability is its strength right now. Central Florida, Marshall and Temple all used the MAC until they could find something better. At least Marshall fits in the MAC geographically. Unfortunately, the MAC is like all other conferences - it's all about $$$$.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 8:41:12 PM

I don't want any association with Marshall.

I don't want their stank anywhere near our fine university.

Any association with Marshall devalues our university.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:01:21 PM

First Street Forever wrote:

I don't want any association with Marshall.

I don't want their stank anywhere near our fine university.

Any association with Marshall devalues our university.

But associating with you makes one smell like a rose, eh?

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:01:35 PM

First Street Forever wrote:

I don't want any association with Marshall.

I don't want their stank anywhere near our fine university.

Any association with Marshall devalues our university.

Marshall puts people in seats; home or away. Many MAC teams can't make that claim. I'd take them back as I think they'd be an asset to our conference. Wanna play an EMU or Marshall on TV? And we can repeat other teams instead of EMU ........

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:12:49 PM

Our fans love to hate Marshall and it does put fans in the seats. However, I feel a good deal of this excitement comes from their move to C-USA. Our fans like to see them as the team that thinks they're butter than us (and then we relish in kicking their behinds).

If they move back into the MAC, the thrill of "putting them in their place" goes away. It's still a rivalry, but I think their "I'm better than you" mentality helps to fuel the rivalry. Sort of like another school we love to hate (Temple).

Last Edited: 11/28/2012 11:13:19 PM by catfan28

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:40:03 PM

Jerry86 wrote:

Wanna play an EMU or Marshall on TV?

Was this years Marshall's game on TV? I remember watching it via Internet feed. Was it on local TV?

And wasn't the EMU game on ESPNU? I did get to watch that one on my TV.

Maybe I misread your question? I read it as would I rather play EMU (not on TV) or Marshall (on TV)? I think the point you were trying to make is that Marshall games bring TV exposure, whereas EMU does not. Maybe you meant Internet feed exposure? Or local TV exposure?

Or did you mean to ask would I rather see EMU (on TV) or Marshall (on TV)? Seeing any Ohio game on TV is good, and thanks to ESPN Watch (as well the ESPN/2/U channels and even a local Chicago station) I got to see many Ohio games on TV. Not the Marshall one for some reason. Odd.

And honestly, I don't care one iota more about Marshall than EMU. They weren't my rival when I was a student. They weren't even in the MAC. I just don't understand the Marshall Mystique.

Maybe it a regional thing and I don't really get riled up about things on the other side of the Ohio.

Last Edited: 11/28/2012 11:43:44 PM by First Street Forever

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/28/2012 11:58:43 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

First Street Forever wrote:

I don't want any association with Marshall.

I don't want their stank anywhere near our fine university.

Any association with Marshall devalues our university.

But associating with you makes one smell like a rose, eh?

The stank I was referring to are the violations Mike Coleman described in his post.

While I don't always bring my A-smell to the world when I leave my house, I can safely say that I have never committed any major violations when it comes to the NCAA. I didn't even Facebook-friend that Ukrainian basketball recruit to get him to come to Ohio. I think the mullahs said it could be a gray area in terms of recruiting. Plus, it's kinda creepy.

If you want to defend (or turn a blind eye towards) Marshall and their history of NCAA violations, that's fine. I guess it's the Marshall Mystique at play once again. But don't use my musky scents when trying to make a point. It's usually an exercise in futility.

Remember, whoever smelt, dealt it.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/29/2012 11:11:51 AM

First Street Forever wrote:

Jerry86 wrote:

Wanna play an EMU or Marshall on TV?

I'll try again .. since you obviously didn't get the point. Marshall puts people in their stadium and travels well to Athens. Have you ever been to Ypsilanti to watch a football game? Watching some of the MAC games on TV is embarrassing with so few fans there.

If you don't get the Marshall rivalry .. well, never mind.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/29/2012 11:48:04 AM

Jerry86 wrote:

First Street Forever wrote:

Jerry86 wrote:

Wanna play an EMU or Marshall on TV?

Here's what I've never understood. People bemoan the quality of the MAC but on the other hand want to do nothing to change it. God forbid we should have a conference without EMU or BG. But we'll keep wishing and maybe someday things will magically get better.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/29/2012 11:54:06 AM

Why do you want to dump BG?

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:04:31 PM

Because I have Toledo. I don't feel they add anything to the conference or have the potential to add anything. Why not pare down the MAC so revenues get split fewer ways? Why not pare down the MAC so an NCAA Tourney bid feels more achievable (and maybe creates more interest)? Why not pare down the MAC so that 12 teams don't dilute the RPI of the top performers in the conference?

Or at least establish performance minimums. There should be attendance and RPI/Sagarin minimums in basketball and football. If you don't meet them you don't share revenues. Continual misses and you're subject to expulsion.

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RE: Would your be in favor of allowing Marshall to return to MAC?

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:30:02 PM

I agree with Ted 100%. I don't understand why people deny a rivalry with Marshall. They are the closest D1 school to Athens, outside of OSU. Their fans travel to Athens, and the Bobcat fans travel well to Huntington. The games are competitive, too. Say what you want, but OU/Marshall games feel more like a rivalry now than OU/Miami games have for a decade.

And, if we are going to choose our conference partners based on integrity, why is nobody demanding the dismissal of Akron? We cannot police all the institutions in the MAC. That is the job of the NCAA and the institutions themselves.

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