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  Message Not Read  The MAC Gets Poached Or We Do The Poaching
   Posted: 12/13/2012 3:14:23 PM 
Let's face if the Big East fades into the mists of history like it appears, either the MAC is going to get poached or we will have to do the poaching. As I indicated in a previous post. I think we should be proactive and offer invites to Cincy, Memphis, Temple, UConn and Marshall. These schools all have a football interest and some of them (the Bearcats) are in desperate straits.

Otherwise, if a new conference comes to frutition from the ghosts of the Big East and Conference USA, some MAC schools are sure to be targeted. Better to be proactive than see the best schools of our history rich conference go another way.
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   Posted: 12/13/2012 3:28:53 PM 
I wouldn't mind seeing a three way poach with some of the BE, C-USA, and MAC schools getting together (and by C-USA I am considering WKU and MTSU a part of that now).  

There could be some A-10 implications as well here........if the BE break offs go after some of their A-10 Catholic brethren I can see UMass looking at other options now that their football is FBS level.  

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   Posted: 12/13/2012 5:12:02 PM 
I don't understand how you think the MAC will be poached?  Do we have any schools that have the right combination of geographic footprint and fervor from the community?  I can't name one school that can fit both descriptions, it's either one or the other.  Plus no school has a big money donor or community money to make the next step up at this time to be where universities like UC and UConn would want out of fellow members.  Between the lack of money and push back from the academic side at spending greater amounts of money there is no way a MAC member gets poached.
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   Posted: 12/13/2012 5:49:15 PM 
sargentfan wrote:
I don't understand how you think the MAC will be poached?  Do we have any schools that have the right combination of geographic footprint and fervor from the community?  I can't name one school that can fit both descriptions, it's either one or the other.  Plus no school has a big money donor or community money to make the next step up at this time to be where universities like UC and UConn would want out of fellow members.  Between the lack of money and push back from the academic side at spending greater amounts of money there is no way a MAC member gets poached.

I'm afraid that you're more accurately describing Ohio than some of the other schools, but I really don't know about some schools like Buffalo, Akron and Toledo to name a few.  Fervor comes from winning and buying in to something bigger and I don't know what would happen if a school joined another conference. Buffalo has quite a larger endowment than anybody else in the MAC and is in the largest city- population wise, and they are east of everybody else. If the powers that be there ever decided to go somewhere else, I could see it happening.

I always try to stay away from saying never, since that's gotten me into trouble in the past in other situations.

Last Edited: 12/13/2012 5:56:41 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 12/13/2012 6:14:14 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
sargentfan wrote:
I don't understand how you think the MAC will be poached?  Do we have any schools that have the right combination of geographic footprint and fervor from the community?  I can't name one school that can fit both descriptions, it's either one or the other.  Plus no school has a big money donor or community money to make the next step up at this time to be where universities like UC and UConn would want out of fellow members.  Between the lack of money and push back from the academic side at spending greater amounts of money there is no way a MAC member gets poached.

I'm afraid that you're more accurately describing Ohio than some of the other schools, but I really don't know about some schools like Buffalo, Akron and Toledo to name a few.  Fervor comes from winning and buying in to something bigger and I don't know what would happen if a school joined another conference. Buffalo has quite a larger endowment than anybody else in the MAC and is in the largest city- population wise, and they are east of everybody else. If the powers that be there ever decided to go somewhere else, I could see it happening.

I always try to stay away from saying never, since that's gotten me into trouble in the past in other situations.


Buffalo's problem is that the city doesn't care about them, the state doesn't understand college football, and their alumni HATE the school. Seriously, everyone I know who went to UB (undergrads and grad students both) has feelings somewhere between mild distaste (think of that "the morning after a shuffle" feeling) and open hatred. Mostly because of the piss poor customer service and the way the school likes to nickle and dime its students to death.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not saying that their alumni hate the UB Bulls (as in the athletic teams), but they hate the school.

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   Posted: 12/13/2012 6:18:54 PM 
this is like a homeless man worrying that someone is going to take the invisible guy he argues with every day.

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   Posted: 12/13/2012 6:31:09 PM 
Sorry be being redundant but I thought I would post this over here in case some haven't been following the interesting posts on this topic from the basketball board.

Sargentfan, I know what you are getting at but I still think there are MAC schools that have a lot to offer, and again if we aren't proactive we will literally be on the outs looking in, and with all of our tradiiton and recent success that would be awful.

Let's go to your footprint argument for a second. Take for example Penn State and their merger into the Big Ten. Now before the scandal, they were known for football and maybe wrestling but certainly not basketball. In the early 90s you could watch the Pittsburgh and Philly sports news and unless Penn State was in the national championship game they would barely get a mention. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are hardly college sports fans, I have friends in both cities and they marvel at the coverage college sports gets not only in Columbus but in Cleveland as well. If the Big Ten took your argument, they would have never brought in Penn State. The reason they were brought in was for tradition and alumni support.

Look at schools like Wake Forest in the ACC. They are small and not in a major metropolis. They have 4,000 some odd undergrads and only something like 2,500 grad students. Look at the Atlantic Ten in basketball St. Bonaventure and Rhode Island are two schools that receive little attention in their hometowns, yet they are in a conference that gets a half a dozen schools into the NCAA Basketball tournnament. They have tradition (especially St Bonaventure) and alumni support. What I am getting at is that we have tradition, alumni support, nice facilities and recent success. No MAC school has a fan base that travels more than one hour to football and basketball games than us. We need to sell ourselves and our conference lest we become the what ifs of some future ESPN 30 for 30 special.
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   Posted: 12/13/2012 6:51:02 PM 
As much as some of you moan about how you would like to leave the MAC, I think it's safe to say that we're not going to be the school to make the first move.  So unless 2 or 3 other schools decide to leave (Akron or Toledo maybe?)  then that could start a free for all and who knows what would happen.  But I think our administration is comfortable with our position in the conference, and the stability and cost certainty that the MAC provides us all of our athletic teams.
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   Posted: 12/14/2012 12:39:38 PM 
The MAC will neither be the poached or poacher.  The MAC institutions (along with another 40 or so non BCS schools) are irrelevant in the discussion when you start counting the 70-80 schools the Big guys want to carry along with them.
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   Posted: 12/14/2012 1:23:51 PM 
BuddyLee wrote:
As much as some of you moan about how you would like to leave the MAC, I think it's safe to say that we're not going to be the school to make the first move.  So unless 2 or 3 other schools decide to leave (Akron or Toledo maybe?)  then that could start a free for all and who knows what would happen.  But I think our administration is comfortable with our position in the conference, and the stability and cost certainty that the MAC provides us all of our athletic teams.


I'm thinking NIU would be the first to go.  They've won 10+ games each of the past three years, have a close proximity to Chicago (they're on Comcast a lot there) and are getting great press on the Orange Bowl bid.  If they beat FSU, or even come close, they could easily become the next Boise, despite the grim faces and temper tantrums at ESPN.

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   Posted: 12/14/2012 3:54:22 PM 
NIU averages 15k in attendance and has horrible basketball
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   Posted: 12/15/2012 8:25:13 PM 

CBS Sports story on Big East seeking new members, mentions MAC. I am not sure joining the Titanic of conferences is what we are looking for, but at least we are drawing some attention.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/21406426/big-east-football-still-has-options-amid-breakup-from-basketball-schools
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   Posted: 12/16/2012 9:37:17 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
BuddyLee wrote:
As much as some of you moan about how you would like to leave the MAC, I think it's safe to say that we're not going to be the school to make the first move.  So unless 2 or 3 other schools decide to leave (Akron or Toledo maybe?)  then that could start a free for all and who knows what would happen.  But I think our administration is comfortable with our position in the conference, and the stability and cost certainty that the MAC provides us all of our athletic teams.


I'm thinking NIU would be the first to go.  They've won 10+ games each of the past three years, have a close proximity to Chicago (they're on Comcast a lot there) and are getting great press on the Orange Bowl bid.  If they beat FSU, or even come close, they could easily become the next Boise, despite the grim faces and temper tantrums at ESPN.



Its not about winning. Its not about winning. Everyone read this; its not about winning. Big conferences dont want you because you win. Winning doesnt matter. Just because you have a sweet athletic program, doesnt mean the bigs want you. It doesnt matter if you win or lose. Market share is all that matters. Why do you think the Big 10 added Rutgers and Mayland? Big ass markets. Nebraska football is now relevant in Baltimore.

If the Big 10 wanted quality, they could have added Cincy and Louisville. But they didn't. Its not about winning. No amount of winning will make a big conference look at a MAC team.

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   Posted: 12/16/2012 2:46:17 PM 
Bob...agree it is not about your winning program.  Not even about market or else UC would be picked up.  It's about the pecking order and they are not in the top 70.  Top 80...maybe.
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   Posted: 12/16/2012 9:03:35 PM 
amen. if Temple was in Philadelphia, OH they would've never been picked up by the BE. Its funny, but if the Big East had decided to replace each school that left with the best program it could attract then they likely would never have split into the Big Least and the Big Priest.

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