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Just seems like no way the MAC-types can compete with their lack of financial resources. More power to UC but it may be too little too late.  If so, it will look like they are wasting $70 million! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/18/2012 10:50:35 PM  Casper71 wrote: UC wants to be in the mix bad!: http://www.gobearcats.com/view.gal?id=131630 Going forward with Big Time football, if you don't pay, you don't play!  I never thought I would say this but I am beginning to think that there really are 50 or so schools who should just configure themselves into some kind of Big Time-B Division in college football. Just seems like no way the MAC-types can compete with their lack of financial resources. More power to UC but it may be too little too late.  If so, it will look like they are wasting $70 million! Of course, this is a team that lost to Toledo.  Games are still decided on the field. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/18/2012 11:45:36 PM  I simply meant that most MAC schools are not in position to put $70 mil into a football stadium now. Time will tell if this pans out for UC. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 6:55:38 AM  Casper71 wrote: I simply meant that most MAC schools are not in position to put $70 mil into a football stadium now. Time will tell if this pans out for UC. I know what you meant.  I just think sometimes schools place too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on recruiting and other basics.  Although a new or upgraded facility is a draw for a year or two, if a school can't field a competitive team (or for some, a winning team) the crowds will soon stay away.  We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,881 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 6:58:26 AM  Pataskala wrote: Casper71 wrote: I simply meant that most MAC schools are not in position to put $70 mil into a football stadium now. Time will tell if this pans out for UC. I know what you meant.  I just think sometimes schools place too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on recruiting and other basics.  Although a new or upgraded facility is a draw for a year or two, if a school can't field a competitive team (or for some, a winning team) the crowds will soon stay away.  This will buy you a 1-11 record........http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/InfoCision Last Edited: 12/19/2012 6:59:00 AM by OUcats82 Ohio-The State University Back to Top Columbus_Bobcat General User Member Since: 11/23/2012 Post Count: 412 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 12:36:39 PM  OUcats82 wrote: Pataskala wrote: Casper71 wrote: I simply meant that most MAC schools are not in position to put $70 mil into a football stadium now. Time will tell if this pans out for UC. I know what you meant.  I just think sometimes schools place too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on recruiting and other basics.  Although a new or upgraded facility is a draw for a year or two, if a school can't field a competitive team (or for some, a winning team) the crowds will soon stay away.  This will buy you a 1-11 record........http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/InfoCision I really do like their stadium. Peden Stadium is way out dated. It need some serious renovations in the future.  Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 1:30:41 PM  Ohio can't pony up this type of money.  Period.  We need to compete with schools who have comparable potential regarding financially supporting a football program.  A school and fan base can still have a lot of fun with football even if you're not at the highest level. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,267 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 2:19:22 PM  UC isn't "ponying up" this money - they're launching a fundraising campaign.  I bet we could raise 25-30mm to renovate Peden, though it might take 5 years. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 2:31:30 PM  SBH wrote: UC isn't "ponying up" this money - they're launching a fundraising campaign.  I bet we could raise 25-30mm to renovate Peden, though it might take 5 years.  Millimeters? Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,881 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 3:44:32 PM  Bobcats_828 wrote: OUcats82 wrote: Pataskala wrote: Casper71 wrote: I simply meant that most MAC schools are not in position to put $70 mil into a football stadium now. Time will tell if this pans out for UC. I know what you meant.  I just think sometimes schools place too much emphasis on facilities and not enough on recruiting and other basics.  Although a new or upgraded facility is a draw for a year or two, if a school can't field a competitive team (or for some, a winning team) the crowds will soon stay away.  This will buy you a 1-11 record........http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/InfoCision I really do like their stadium. Peden Stadium is way out dated. It need some serious renovations in the future.  Oh it's definitely a nice venue!   I would not want to gut Peden or build something new as long as it is structurally sound.  It has what I have heard described before as "good bones."  From a distance it is attractive, just kind of drab up close in a few places.  It could be really improved with a lot of inexpensive cosmetic upgrades-in many cases simple things like a few coats of paint! Never would I want to make any changes that affect how well it blends/matches the other structures on campus. With a few exceptions all of main campus has a very similar structure to every building and I'm glad our athletic facilities follow suit.  While I like the look of say Autzen Stadium at Oregon, it would clash with everything else in Athens in my opinion.   I'd be happy with some new concessions, restrooms, and maybe a more permanent spirit shop or something (that is open on non game days etc.).  We could maybe possibly move the screen in the current score board (if it is not a custom made model) as a secondary screen and build a new, larger structure in its place.   We have improved the game day experience on the field.  It's time to do the same elsewhere!  Last Edited: 12/19/2012 3:47:03 PM by OUcats82 Ohio-The State University Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/19/2012 6:41:24 PM  Jeff Mck, if we can afford to spend $2.6 BILLION in building projects on campus, we can surely shake $60 - $70 million loose for Peden.  Its all in what you want to do.  Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,183 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 12:59:04 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Ohio can't pony up this type of money.  Period.  We need to compete with schools who have comparable potential regarding financially supporting a football program.  A school and fan base can still have a lot of fun with football even if you're not at the highest level. I don't know what playing in the MAC is supposed to mean anymore when a school from our conference makes the Orange Bowl and our own Bobcats are playing in the Independence Bowl after cruising to a 4-4 record in the MAC East. The apathy of MAC alumni hasn't changed but its no longer conference red headed stepchild. The bowls and talent level in the MAC today is where Louisville and Virginia Tech were in the in the early 90's; Independence Bowls and an occasional New Year's Day game. The days of the MAC as a defacto DII league are gone. The MAC of today is in the major college hinterland with leagues like the Big East and CUSA is even further out in the thicket. With individual donations to the school of 100 million for academics I don't know if we can say for sure there is a ceiling anymore with regards to anything dealing with the program.   Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,183 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 1:55:31 AM  ou79 wrote: Jeff Mck, if we can afford to spend $2.6 BILLION in building projects on campus, we can surely shake $60 - $70 million loose for Peden.  Its all in what you want to do.  The question is what is the plan. The stadium has got tent cities set up on game days in both endzones for fans that are like stadium refugees without a seat. The South endzone is completely unfinished behind Victory Hill with a tarp fencing enclosing the stadium. I would think for $5-$10 million dollars the school could finish off the south endzone with a permanent exterior and a concession stand. Build some general admission seating without numbers to close in Victory Hill to look more like a grass berm. raise the height of the existing scoreboard. Is this too many additional seats? Sell the first rows of the student side as Phillips Club tickets as they were intended to be and turn all the bleacher seats of the away side over to the students. This keeps the away side full while having permanent seats in the end zone to accommodate band day and over flow crowds. Another idea I thought was good was to knock out the back of the student side and extend it as a courtyard toward the new practice facility complete with staging areas for food vendors like the Burrito Buggy. It make sense to put bigger bathrooms in on the student side accessible to most of the fans or something even between the student side and Victory Hill. Convert the concession stands on the home side to bathrooms and put concessions throughout the north horseshoe of the stadium for easy fan access from both sides. The stadium hasn't had any significant work done for 10 years.  Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 9:17:19 AM  ou79 wrote: Jeff Mck, if we can afford to spend $2.6 BILLION in building projects on campus, we can surely shake $60 - $70 million loose for Peden.  Its all in what you want to do.  Who says we can afford any of it? They're talking about $1.3 billion in new debt to do those projects. Do you realize how much money that is? It's roughly $6,500 for every single living graduate of the school (dividing by 200,000). And that's assuming everything goes to plan and stays on budget. That kind of debt has the power to severely damage an institution. The university has a lot of building and maintenance needs. You really think major renovations to a money-losing football stadium that sells out once a year are the best use of borrowed funds that will take decades and tons of tuition hikes to pay off? Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 1:19:32 PM  SBH wrote: UC isn't "ponying up" this money - they're launching a fundraising campaign.  I bet we could raise 25-30mm to renovate Peden, though it might take 5 years. I'm pretty sure you'd lose that bet. The student side of Peden does need to be torn down and replaced.  But, only with something just slightly larger.  Anything more than 30,000 seats is a waste.  Just like the Convo has about 4,000 seats of wasted space. Jeff and I disagree about the Ohio football fan base's appetite for lower division football. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 2:13:32 PM  UC grads embrace it and think it possible. I guess Ohio grads seem a like program impossible. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 3:26:04 PM  Doc Bobcat wrote: UC grads embrace it and think it possible. Really?  bearcatsnation.com/2012/11/30/details-finally-released-of-whit-babcocks-master-facilities-plan-for-cincinnati/ Back to Top Columbus_Bobcat General User Member Since: 11/23/2012 Post Count: 412 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 4:45:59 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: Ohio can't pony up this type of money.  Period.  We need to compete with schools who have comparable potential regarding financially supporting a football program.  A school and fan base can still have a lot of fun with football even if you're not at the highest level. I don't know what playing in the MAC is supposed to mean anymore when a school from our conference makes the Orange Bowl and our own Bobcats are playing in the Independence Bowl after cruising to a 4-4 record in the MAC East. The apathy of MAC alumni hasn't changed but its no longer conference red headed stepchild. The bowls and talent level in the MAC today is where Louisville and Virginia Tech were in the in the early 90's; Independence Bowls and an occasional New Year's Day game. The days of the MAC as a defacto DII league are gone. The MAC of today is in the major college hinterland with leagues like the Big East and CUSA is even further out in the thicket. With individual donations to the school of 100 million for academics I don't know if we can say for sure there is a ceiling anymore with regards to anything dealing with the program.   So are you saying where the next Big East conference? This might be the start of some really great MAC football or it could be a fluke. I hope its not a fluke and I hope for some high intensity, bowl eligible MAC schools. Back to Top Columbus_Bobcat General User Member Since: 11/23/2012 Post Count: 412 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 4:48:31 PM  Ohio69 wrote: SBH wrote: UC isn't "ponying up" this money - they're launching a fundraising campaign.  I bet we could raise 25-30mm to renovate Peden, though it might take 5 years. I'm pretty sure you'd lose that bet. The student side of Peden does need to be torn down and replaced.  But, only with something just slightly larger.  Anything more than 30,000 seats is a waste.  Just like the Convo has about 4,000 seats of wasted space. Jeff and I disagree about the Ohio football fan base's appetite for lower division football. The Convo is also the Largest MAC school basketball arena by 3,000 seats. It's also larger than every Pac-12 school except two, beats out Crisler Arena, Camden Indoor Arena, and some other historic basketball arenas. I encourage getting rid of the light green seats and build a pressbox, club seats, or something else there other than unused broken seats.  Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,754 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 5:02:54 PM  The Convo is not only a basketball arena but is a place where graduations and other events are held.  It gets filled to the brim for commencement ceremonies.  Also, some high school tournament games are near sellouts.  So, the likelihood of taking out seats is slim to none. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 9:20:36 PM  Would be nice to cover those convo seats with some of the huge plastic-like sign stuff you see at other stadiums or something.  Or somehow curtain it off.  But, probably better things to spend money on right now. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/20/2012 10:04:33 PM  mf279801 wrote: SBH wrote: UC isn't "ponying up" this money - they're launching a fundraising campaign.  I bet we could raise 25-30mm to renovate Peden, though it might take 5 years.  Millimeters? Monopoly money. RS Bobcat Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/21/2012 11:12:04 PM  Yes I realize that $2.6 Billion is a lot of money.  My point is that the University has a track record of spending money on everything but athletics.  Even what we currently spend on athletics only accounts for approximately 3% of OUr entire annual operating budget.  I am not advocating for spending $2.6 Billion on projects for the University.  I will leave that to the powers that  be.  What I am saying is that if we can spend that type of money we can surely cut loose whatever amount is necessary to bring Peden into the 21st Century.  It all comes down to where you want to put your money and Peden is as much a part of the University as any other edifice on campus. Also, for all you who want to put sheets or covers or whatever over 4,000 seats of the Convo, let me be the first to congratulate you on your small thinking.  Same thing goes for those who want to downgrade to D-IAA/FCS.  If that is the direction you want to go to save the University money, why not just drop to D-III and save the University a ton of money. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/22/2012 8:04:35 PM  79-don't give people sdumb ideas to contemplate Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,183 Status: Offline     RE: UC ALL IN-$70 million worth    Posted: 12/22/2012 9:59:24 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The university has a lot of building and maintenance needs. You really think major renovations to a money-losing football stadium that sells out once a year are the best use of borrowed funds that will take decades and tons of tuition hikes to pay off? I don't know. I haven't heard many complaints about dumping money into a basketball arena that has sold out what 5 times in its history. Ohio averaged 22,000 or 92% of capacity this season and that is including in that capacity Victory Hill. The purpose of Victory Hill was that for unusually large crowds (meaning Pitt game) the university would have plenty of extra seating, It has come to the point where that hill is packed 3 times a year and 1 time a year fans are being turned away. For a school that has one of the smallest stadiums in the MAC and all of FBS which for that reason alone the stadium should be bigger we simply don't have enough seats. Its not like the stadium needs a huge 10,000 seat increase based on the numbers but at least getting the stadium up to 27,000 to be more in the mid range of MAC capacities makes a lot of sense. Allow the students to have the entire away side and push the walk up tickets to the corner seats. Spread the fans out more across the stadium.  Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 26 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 196 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 196 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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