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bobcat72
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  Message Not Read  Putting Expansion/Renovation Talk to Rest
   Posted: 1/3/2013 11:49:57 PM 
I'd love to see Peden renovated as much as the next guy, but I've got some bad news...

http://www.ohio.edu/facultysenate/upload/capital_plan_booklet-11-03.pdf

That's the 20 year capital improvement plan for OU. There is no mention of Peden Stadium. At all. Renovations, expansion, replacement, new toilets, new lightbulbs, etc. NONE.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but get used to the Grand Old Lady. What you see is what we've got!

Last Edited: 1/3/2013 11:50:21 PM by bobcat72
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 12:37:58 AM 
I hate to be the bearer of reality, but this 20-year plan doesn't mean diddlely.  For instance, the soon-to-be-under-construction MPF (aka IPC) wasn't in any major planning document until a certain gift came forward and the fundraising began.  Renovation of Peden could go from "off the map" to "on the map" overnight if Dr. McDavis decides to solicit gifts for it from the right alumni and he is successful in that effort. 

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   Posted: 1/4/2013 12:54:20 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of reality, but this 20-year plan doesn't mean diddlely.  For instance, the soon-to-be-under-construction MPF (aka IPC) wasn't in any major planning document until a certain gift came forward and the fundraising began.  Renovation of Peden could go from "off the map" to "on the map" overnight if Dr. McDavis decides to solicit gifts for it from the right alumni and he is successful in that effort. 


Perhaps, but the fact that there is nary a mention in this document seems to demonstrate Peden's relative place on the priority list. I would have at least hoped for some minor renovations.

The IPF has been talked about for probably 10 years now...it was hardly off the map, even if it wasn't in a capital plan. The fundraising has been a long time coming. Too long, if you ask most. It took the Walter gift to finally bring it to fruition.

On the contrary, the only place you hear about Peden renovation/expansion is on this board.
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 8:17:25 AM 
bobcat72 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of reality, but this 20-year plan doesn't mean diddlely.  For instance, the soon-to-be-under-construction MPF (aka IPC) wasn't in any major planning document until a certain gift came forward and the fundraising began.  Renovation of Peden could go from "off the map" to "on the map" overnight if Dr. McDavis decides to solicit gifts for it from the right alumni and he is successful in that effort. 


Perhaps, but the fact that there is nary a mention in this document seems to demonstrate Peden's relative place on the priority list. I would have at least hoped for some minor renovations.

The IPF has been talked about for probably 10 years now...it was hardly off the map, even if it wasn't in a capital plan. The fundraising has been a long time coming. Too long, if you ask most. It took the Walter gift to finally bring it to fruition.

On the contrary, the only place you hear about Peden renovation/expansion is on this board.


Well on Sim City, Bobcat Attack edition, I have built us a brand new, state of the art stadium that would rival Jerry World! 

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   Posted: 1/4/2013 10:52:01 AM 
OUcats82 wrote:
bobcat72 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of reality, but this 20-year plan doesn't mean diddlely.  For instance, the soon-to-be-under-construction MPF (aka IPC) wasn't in any major planning document until a certain gift came forward and the fundraising began.  Renovation of Peden could go from "off the map" to "on the map" overnight if Dr. McDavis decides to solicit gifts for it from the right alumni and he is successful in that effort. 


Perhaps, but the fact that there is nary a mention in this document seems to demonstrate Peden's relative place on the priority list. I would have at least hoped for some minor renovations.

The IPF has been talked about for probably 10 years now...it was hardly off the map, even if it wasn't in a capital plan. The fundraising has been a long time coming. Too long, if you ask most. It took the Walter gift to finally bring it to fruition.

On the contrary, the only place you hear about Peden renovation/expansion is on this board.


Well on Sim City, Bobcat Attack edition, I have built us a brand new, state of the art stadium that would rival Jerry World! 


110,000 seat stadium packed to the brim shouting OU OH YEAH? Realistically - 35,000. 
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 11:01:27 AM 
OUcats82 wrote:

Well on Sim City, Bobcat Attack edition, I have built us a brand new, state of the art stadium that would rival Jerry World! 


Yeah, but I bet you had to use the free money cheat code to build it.
/F-U-N-D
//F-U-N-D
///F-U-N-D
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/////unpause
//////earthquake
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 11:30:44 AM 
I can't believe that this  is impossible.  UC is putting a package to increase their seating by 10,000....not sure why we couldn't build up another level on the student side or do something  with either end zone. I know for some of you the "hill" is sacred ground....but for me  back in the day  it was bleachers and my rowdy friends.  The only sacred hill for me in Athens is Jeff Hill.

Also check out Louisiana-Monroe's stadium.....additions for us might make it look like their's....and if they can do it would should be able to  do it as well.....maybe they got some Duck Dynasty money but we have a few rich alums as well....just not any on this forum....haha.
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 11:35:11 AM 
The political reality of this -- a document that will be analyzed in detail by decision-makers in Columbus -- is that athletics will receive little if any mention.  It's just not politcally realistic in the current fiscal condition of the state to put the spotlight on athletic facilities.  Major improvements will come from drives for donations for specific projects and be augmented by university funds.  An excellent example of this is the new indoor facility -- driven by donations and filled out with university dollars (student fees).  I don't think there will be an overall Peden improvement/expansion project, but instead there will be incremental projects such as the current locker room update. 
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 12:00:54 PM 
BSJ73 wrote:
The political reality of this -- a document that will be analyzed in detail by decision-makers in Columbus -- is that athletics will receive little if any mention.  It's just not politcally realistic in the current fiscal condition of the state to put the spotlight on athletic facilities.  Major improvements will come from drives for donations for specific projects and be augmented by university funds.  An excellent example of this is the new indoor facility -- driven by donations and filled out with university dollars (student fees).  I don't think there will be an overall Peden improvement/expansion project, but instead there will be incremental projects such as the current locker room update. 


Agreed, like I said on the basketball thread on the same issue, I'd be SHOCKED if athletics projects were listed on the capital/capitol (sorry, I get confused on which is the right one for this topic) improvement budget. That money is intended for academic/dorm buildings. Money for football/basketball stadiums will come from athletics and student fees and donors, not the academic/dorm building and refurbishment fund.
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 2:09:18 PM 
$2.6 BILLION project and nothing for Peden?  I guess the powers that be don't give a rat's a$$ about the stadium.  Absolutely incredible.  Oh well, good luck funding the plan.
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 2:35:06 PM 
ou79 wrote:
$2.6 BILLION project and nothing for Peden?  I guess the powers that be don't give a rat's a$$ about the stadium.  Absolutely incredible.  Oh well, good luck funding the plan.


You keep saying that as if the $2.6billion is unrestricted in what it can be spent on.
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 3:03:33 PM 
If we keep winning, the sky is the limit as far as stadium expansion. When I mean expanision, I mean expanison done by private donors not taxpayers. I don't work for Ohio University but my line of work is similar and I can tell you that it never ceases to amaze me as to how deep pocketed alums and fans will think nothing of writing gaudy checks for athletic purposes. Honestly think of professional sports, very few owners have ever made any money. They made their money in other lines of work and view ownership as a hobby, the best local example being the McConnel Family and the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can refresh our memories on the last stadium expanison, it happened shortly after I graduated, but I seem to recall that it was basically funded by private sources. Any university's masterplan is not going to incorporate stadium expansions. I would be willing to bet that Ohio State's horseshoe expansion was done through a lot of private donors. Didn't the Shelly Construction company give a generous donation and I seem to recall that the owner never went to college?

Again, the allure of sports has a way of getting people to empty out their pockets and wallets. It will happen for us should we keep winning and prove that people will come, which they always do when you win. Penn State is in the middle of nowhere and they get over 100,000 to come. Wake Forest is is in the ACC and only has 4,000 undergrads. We are certainly bigger than Wake Forest. Look how Boise State and Utah State have elevated their programs and stadiums, once they began to win. It can be done if we win and have the right kind of competition.

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   Posted: 1/4/2013 4:49:27 PM 
I keep saying that because Peden is as much a University owned structure as any other structure on campus.  Look at the proposed plan.  As someone pointed out, apparently $18.7 Million is allocated towards the Convo.  What it comes down to is where you want to put the money, plain and simple.  Oh you may also want to look at the plan because I believe $1 Million is going to the/a "softball stadium".

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   Posted: 1/4/2013 5:00:57 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
If we keep winning, the sky is the limit as far as stadium expansion. When I mean expanision, I mean expanison done by private donors not taxpayers. I don't work for Ohio University but my line of work is similar and I can tell you that it never ceases to amaze me as to how deep pocketed alums and fans will think nothing of writing gaudy checks for athletic purposes. Honestly think of professional sports, very few owners have ever made any money. They made their money in other lines of work and view ownership as a hobby, the best local example being the McConnel Family and the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can refresh our memories on the last stadium expanison, it happened shortly after I graduated, but I seem to recall that it was basically funded by private sources. Any university's masterplan is not going to incorporate stadium expansions. I would be willing to bet that Ohio State's horseshoe expansion was done through a lot of private donors. Didn't the Shelly Construction company give a generous donation and I seem to recall that the owner never went to college?

Again, the allure of sports has a way of getting people to empty out their pockets and wallets. It will happen for us should we keep winning and prove that people will come, which they always do when you win. Penn State is in the middle of nowhere and they get over 100,000 to come. Wake Forest is is in the ACC and only has 4,000 undergrads. We are certainly bigger than Wake Forest. Look how Boise State and Utah State have elevated their programs and stadiums, once they began to win. It can be done if we win and have the right kind of competition.


Your a hundred percent correct. Deep pocket alumni's. Look at the private donation the Osteopathic College got. What was it 110? or 101 million? PRIVATE. So evidently we have someone whose well off. I truly believe we will have renovations and expansion done in the future. Was Peden Tower Privately donated? 
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 5:37:52 PM 
Bobcats_828 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
If we keep winning, the sky is the limit as far as stadium expansion. When I mean expanision, I mean expanison done by private donors not taxpayers. I don't work for Ohio University but my line of work is similar and I can tell you that it never ceases to amaze me as to how deep pocketed alums and fans will think nothing of writing gaudy checks for athletic purposes. Honestly think of professional sports, very few owners have ever made any money. They made their money in other lines of work and view ownership as a hobby, the best local example being the McConnel Family and the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can refresh our memories on the last stadium expanison, it happened shortly after I graduated, but I seem to recall that it was basically funded by private sources. Any university's masterplan is not going to incorporate stadium expansions. I would be willing to bet that Ohio State's horseshoe expansion was done through a lot of private donors. Didn't the Shelly Construction company give a generous donation and I seem to recall that the owner never went to college?

Again, the allure of sports has a way of getting people to empty out their pockets and wallets. It will happen for us should we keep winning and prove that people will come, which they always do when you win. Penn State is in the middle of nowhere and they get over 100,000 to come. Wake Forest is is in the ACC and only has 4,000 undergrads. We are certainly bigger than Wake Forest. Look how Boise State and Utah State have elevated their programs and stadiums, once they began to win. It can be done if we win and have the right kind of competition.


Your a hundred percent correct. Deep pocket alumni's. Look at the private donation the Osteopathic College got. What was it 110? or 101 million? PRIVATE. So evidently we have someone whose well off. I truly believe we will have renovations and expansion done in the future. Was Peden Tower Privately donated? 


$2 million of it.  Check out pages 56 and 57.

http://www.coms.ohiou.edu/Websites/coms/Images/Blog%20Pic...
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   Posted: 1/4/2013 9:53:10 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of reality, but this 20-year plan doesn't mean diddlely. For instance, the soon-to-be-under-construction MPF (aka IPC) wasn't in any major planning document until a certain gift came forward and the fundraising began. Renovation of Peden could go from "off the map" to "on the map" overnight if Dr. McDavis decides to solicit gifts for it from the right alumni and he is successful in that effort.


Actually an IPF has been on the books since the early Grobe days, drawings, models and the like. It's not like an IPF/MPF just appeared.
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   Posted: 1/5/2013 4:43:21 AM 
Blee--

How many season tickets football were sold for this past season?  What was the % increase over 2011?

How many will be sold for 2013?

What will tickets (single game, season pkgs) cost for $2013?

How many are each of you going to buy?  I live in California, so rarely get in four games.  I own four seats in the 'with seat backs' area.  If you don't own a passel of season tickets, what's wrong with you?


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   Posted: 1/5/2013 9:54:41 AM 
Now that we have a winning team we should raise ticket prices slightly, like $2-$3, per game as well as concessions.
These sources of revenue could then  be used effectively for many athletic projects.





GO BOBCATS
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   Posted: 1/5/2013 10:36:28 AM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
Now that we have a winning team we should raise ticket prices slightly, like $2-$3, per game as well as concessions.
These sources of revenue could then  be used effectively for many athletic projects.





GO BOBCATS


Let's say that there are 8,000 season tickets and we raise the price $3.  With 6 home games that's less than $150,000 in new revenue.  That's not much cash.
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   Posted: 1/5/2013 11:30:08 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcats_828 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
If we keep winning, the sky is the limit as far as stadium expansion. When I mean expanision, I mean expanison done by private donors not taxpayers. I don't work for Ohio University but my line of work is similar and I can tell you that it never ceases to amaze me as to how deep pocketed alums and fans will think nothing of writing gaudy checks for athletic purposes. Honestly think of professional sports, very few owners have ever made any money. They made their money in other lines of work and view ownership as a hobby, the best local example being the McConnel Family and the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can refresh our memories on the last stadium expanison, it happened shortly after I graduated, but I seem to recall that it was basically funded by private sources. Any university's masterplan is not going to incorporate stadium expansions. I would be willing to bet that Ohio State's horseshoe expansion was done through a lot of private donors. Didn't the Shelly Construction company give a generous donation and I seem to recall that the owner never went to college?

Again, the allure of sports has a way of getting people to empty out their pockets and wallets. It will happen for us should we keep winning and prove that people will come, which they always do when you win. Penn State is in the middle of nowhere and they get over 100,000 to come. Wake Forest is is in the ACC and only has 4,000 undergrads. We are certainly bigger than Wake Forest. Look how Boise State and Utah State have elevated their programs and stadiums, once they began to win. It can be done if we win and have the right kind of competition.


Your a hundred percent correct. Deep pocket alumni's. Look at the private donation the Osteopathic College got. What was it 110? or 101 million? PRIVATE. So evidently we have someone whose well off. I truly believe we will have renovations and expansion done in the future. Was Peden Tower Privately donated?


$2 million of it. Check out pages 56 and 57.

http://www.coms.ohiou.edu/Websites/coms/Images/Blog%20Pic...




Peden tower was built as a facility for the college of Health and Human Services. If my memory is correct the locker room level was constructed a couple years before floors 2 and up were added. I wonder if dorms and office space could be place under the seating to allow for some state dollars to be used? I am all about multi-purpose if it will get the job done.
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   Posted: 1/5/2013 11:53:14 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
Now that we have a winning team we should raise ticket prices slightly, like $2-$3, per game as well as concessions.
These sources of revenue could then  be used effectively for many athletic projects.





GO BOBCATS


Let's say that there are 8,000 season tickets and we raise the price $3.  With 6 home games that's less than $150,000 in new revenue.  That's not much cash.


Actually, that would be nearly $150k.  Which by my intensely acute cpa knowledge is more than zero (though I want to double-check my math).

It's not much per ticket so, yes, it's reasonable.  I wonder what about ticket price increases by schools which run out successful programs--such as Boise, 'regon, Louisville, etc.

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   Posted: 1/5/2013 12:23:34 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
71 BOBCAT wrote:
Now that we have a winning team we should raise ticket prices slightly, like $2-$3, per game as well as concessions.
These sources of revenue could then  be used effectively for many athletic projects.





GO BOBCATS


Let's say that there are 8,000 season tickets and we raise the price $3.  With 6 home games that's less than $150,000 in new revenue.  That's not much cash.


Actually, that would be nearly $150k.  Which by my intensely acute cpa knowledge is more than zero (though I want to double-check my math).

It's not much per ticket so, yes, it's reasonable.  I wonder what about ticket price increases by schools which run out successful programs--such as Boise, 'regon, Louisville, etc.



Here's Boise State.  There prices are considerably higher than ours.  Very considerably.

http://www.broncosports.com/pics32/0/HS/HSNUUQJOJAFOFLE.2...

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   Posted: 1/5/2013 4:11:40 PM 
I'm surprised Boise is that much (almost 10-fold) more than us.  I wonder how their pricing has progressed from the days before they were good until now.  And what benefit they've gotten ($...facilities, etc) from the upped revenue.  (Too lazy to research it myself)

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   Posted: 1/5/2013 4:29:06 PM 
Why not look at some more realistic programs that we compare to? Oregon? Really?

http://www.latechsports.com/tickets/latc-footbl.html

http://www.wkusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5400&...

http://www.utahstateaggies.com/tickets/ust-tickets.html

http://www.herdzone.com/tickets/mars-tickets-m-footbl.html

http://www.goblueraiders.com/gameday/index.cfm/sport/foot...
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   Posted: 1/5/2013 10:22:47 PM 
I take it none of you have seen the 20 year plan I put together for the athletic department?

I've seen crazier things happen.

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