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superflybcat
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New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 3:45:44 PM

Cincinnati
UConn
Temple
USF
UCF
SMU
Houston
Memphis
ECU
Ohio
Marshall
Tulane

If Cincy and UConn go to ACC, you still have 10. Enough big markets to generate some TV dollars.
Army-Navy can come in later if need be. Gets Ohio much more exposure.

mf279801
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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 4:03:25 PM

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Alan Swank
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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 4:26:40 PM

mf279801 wrote:

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Agreed. The average OU student couldn't tell you where half of those schools are located. Additionally, the average OU student didn't apply to 2 of those schools. Want to kill fan support, join a league where the average fan can't or won't even consider traveling to.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 4:40:02 PM

Exactly. Plus, while several of those universities are in large metro areas, that TV money is going to dry up when the NBE-network's ratings numbers come back and advertisers see just how few eyes are seeing their expensive advertisments.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 4:58:53 PM

Call me crazy, but I like that conference. A lot better top-to-bottom than the MAC. And those teams do have some name recognition nationally. Much more than all the directional/regional schools in the MAC.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 5:09:22 PM

superflybcat wrote:

Temple
USF
UCF
SMU
Houston
Memphis
ECU
Ohio
Marshall
Tulane

WHEN Cincy and UConn go to ACC, you still have 10. Enough big markets to generate some TV dollars.
Army-Navy can come in later if need be. Gets Ohio much more exposure.

Fixed that.

Last Edited: 1/3/2013 5:09:45 PM by D.A.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 5:15:12 PM

Dumbest. Thread. Ever.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 5:20:28 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

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Cincinnati - Cincinnati wants to get picked up by any other conference except MAC/CUSA
UConn - outside of Hartford (subpar football team and a former great basketball coach that led them to three National Championships. Why on earth would they want to play these teams in basketball?)
Temple - Philladelphia (thought we hated them)
USF - Tampa Bay (they share a stadium with the Bucs)
UCF - Orlando (up and coming football school within a metropolitian area that is split with fans of UF, FSU, USF, and Miami)
SMU - Dallas (nice stadium that can expand easily to 50,000)
Houston - Houston their fans are douches with a former great QB.
Memphis - Memphis site of the Liberty Bowl (lackluster team with a giant pit of a stadium that is odd shaped in which none wants to go too.
ECU - Greenville North Carolina (they have 50,000 seat stadium in which they fill and play good teams)
Ohio - Athens (2x bowl champions with a growing fan base and coverage) For us to even be considered into this conference we would have to at least add 10,000 seats.
Marshall - Also pricks who think their better than us with a 38,000 seat stadium that hasn't been full in three years. Also their in Huntington West Virginia
Tulane - Currently play in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome, set to have their own 30,000 seat stadium in two years.

Freshman at OU in Athens. I know damn well where all these schools are located. Do we really want to travel to Texas every year to watch OUr Bobcats play SMU or Houston. Hell no. Maybe if it was Texas A&M or UT. ECU, a good 8+ hour drive from Athens no thank you... USF and UCF. And also a 12 hour car ride. Tulane - a days drive. Marshall - closet team only 2 hour drive. UC - I did not apply their as people said it was dangerous and their academics aren't as good as OHIO. Plus they are just begging to be taken by anyone. Memphis, none would know who they are without basketball. Temple - another 8 hour drive to watch a worthless team play in a stadium that is 2x to big for them, and of course UCONN in which I wouldn't travel to go see unless its basketball and their playing O$U or Duke.

It would be a great conference with teams that are almost guaranteed an NCAA tournament spot or bowl game. It would also boost fan morale in Ohio as in who wouldn't want to see Ohio take on Cincinnati, UCF, USF, UCONN, or Marshall in football, and UCONN, Memphis, Cincinnati or USF in basketball.

But UCONN and UC will not be in this conference when its all said and done. If Big East wanted to survive and become a 16 team conference, I can see how they will keep USF, and add players from Conference and USA.

A more realistic Big East:

USF

Member of Conference USA:
UCF
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Memphis
ECU
Marshall
UTEP

Members of MAC:
Ohio
Miami
Toledo
NIU
Kent State
Akron/BGSU
WMU/CMU

you can even keep the teams from their former conference in the same division have a North with members of the Mac and South with members of CUSA. One team would have to move to North Division which would probally be Marshall.

I only picked those schools based on their success of Basketball and Football. It will be a toss up between Akron,BGSU, WMU, and CMU on who would get in. Akron with the new football Arena? BGSU with their new Basketball Arena, Renovated Football Stadium, and former success with Hockey? WMU that plays tougher opponents from Bigger Conferences and great Hockey teams? or CMU who is always pretty rock solid in football, but location is an issue even though they have usually great attendance in football.

Anyways that would be a rock solid conference.

Last Edited: 1/3/2013 5:32:19 PM by Columbus_Bobcat

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 5:20:30 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

The average OU student couldn't tell you where half of those schools are located.

Cincinnati--easy, that's where the Reds play
UConn--Canada. They mine gold there on TV every Friday night.
Temple--India. Indiana Jones almost had his heart ripped out of his chest there, and got turned into a zombie until Data burned him with a torch
USF--duh, southern Florida
UCF--duh, central Florida
SMU--duh, the South
Houston--another easy one, the Astrodome.
Memphis--I only know this one because of its overrated BBQ.
ECU--Ok, this one legitimately has me stumped. I know South Carolina and North Carolina, but I can't find East Carolina on a map. Is this the new name for Puerto Rico once it becomes a state?
Ohio--Athens, AKA, Paradise City, where the grass is green and the girls are pretty.
Marshall--western Virginia, somewhere near Roanoke.
Tulane--Tricky. Indonesia maybe. Their mascot is the Green Wave, and Indonesia had that tsunami thing. Just a guess though.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 6:27:48 PM

C Money wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

The average OU student couldn't tell you where half of those schools are located.

This is some next-level stuff, right here.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 7:56:20 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

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Additionally, the average OU student didn't apply to 2 of those schools.

The average OU student didn't apply to 2 of these schools? I disagree. 100% of OU students applied to at least 1 of these schools. I bet quite a few also applied to UC or Marshall.

Cincinnati
UConn
Temple
USF
UCF
SMU
Houston
Memphis
ECU
Ohio
Marshall
Tulane

I've seen crazier things happen.

Alan Swank
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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 8:12:36 PM

The Optimist wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

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Additionally, the average OU student didn't apply to 2 of those schools.

I'll have to pull rank and experience on you her O. For the past 29 years I've worked in the public and private schools in Ohio (the source of most OU students). Early on I was looking for kids for Muskingum's education department then the longer I got settled into Athens, I began looking for kids for OU. Here are the schools on the list of Ohio students applying to college - Ohio State, Miami, BG, OU, Shawnee State, Kent, Akron, Rio Grand, etc. Other than Cincinnati and Marshall, the schools on this list aren't on their lists. Believe me, it is true.

mf279801
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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 9:15:01 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

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Additionally, the average OU student didn't apply to 2 of those schools.

Well I should certainly hope most of those schools aren't on OHIO student's radars. Just off the top of my head, and now backed up by US News and World Report Rankings (which I might add are not favorable to OHIO), most of those schools are inferior to OHIO.

Only 3 are rated significantly ahead of OHIO in the USNWR rankings of national universities: UConn (#63), SMU (#58), and Tulane (#51). Fair enough, though I personally would have been miserable there and am pretty sure I got a better education at OHIO than I would have there, and for zero debt, its a no brainer.

Two others are ranked near OHIO (we are #131, by the way): Temple at #125 and Cincinnati at #139. Cincinnati is already on your list of schools that OHIO applicants also apply to. Even though Temple is a ranked a hair higher, I don't think that offsets the increased costs of attendance, and it CERTAINLY doesn't offset having to live in Philadephia.

As for the others: USF (#170), UCF (#174), Houston (#184), ECU (#199), and Memphis (Unranked, meaning over #200) are ranked well below OHIO. Even if you want to argue that there isn't that big a qualitative difference between ranks 131 and 170-200+, at best you're arguing that the difference is a wash. Again, when you figure that the bulk of our students are in state, it makes NO SENSE for them to apply to a similarish/marginally sub-par school that is hundreds-to-thousands of miles from home and thousands of dollars more expensive (for out of state students), except as safety schools.

USNWR considered Marshall the #41 regional university in the south (and therefore didn't rank it in their National University ranking). Take that as what you will.

Now, obviously this analysis of rankings leaves aside select programs within the aforementioned schools that may be nationally renowned, but thats what the numbers are: the median NBE school, as presented and EXCLUDING Ohio, is #170 ranked USF.

But I really do think this misses the point: WHAT IN THE HECK DO COLLEGE APPLICATIONS HAVE TO DO WITH ATHLETIC CONFERENCES???? I'll bet you that the type of student that applies to Stanford doesn't apply to Washington State (no offense Wazzou), that the students applying to Arkansas aren't the same ones applying to Vanderbilt, that Penn State doesn't get a whole lot of applications from future Nebraska students, etc.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 9:16:28 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

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Yeah, a ton of our fans travel to EMU and BG and 'kron and Ball. Toledo and WMU and NIU fire up our fan base.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 9:28:52 PM

Don't like this idea - period! Enjoy being able to see the CATSS in 10 games every year. Wouldn't be able to even consider traveling to all of those away games (there's 8 away games that I we would never travel to). The MAC is a good conference with excellent competition. The competition and ability to travel to games isa great benefit of this conference. I believe the MAC is getting stronger each year. Consider the MAC's participation in bowl games and the wins that are coming. We enjoy travel to allof the in-state schools, Indiana, Mchigan and Marshull.

Last Edited: 1/3/2013 9:33:03 PM by Ohio Alum84

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 10:59:30 PM

I agree with Monroe, that is why the MAC leads the nation in attendance each year. Oh and by the way, I must be on the outside looking in because I did consider and was accepted into SMU"s Law School when it had a top 25 ranking years ago. However, I passed on it as well as Pitt, OSU, Case and a couple lesser programs like Akron and Toledo. Also considered but passed on undergrad at Temple. My eldest is considering OUr fine institution. He also is getting great offers at other schools, none of which are in Ohio. At least I trained him early about the dangers of the Evil Empire. He has chosen not to go over to the dark side. His friends that he will be graduating with are basically all going out of state as well. Of course, what do I know?

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/3/2013 11:18:16 PM

you want the MAC to be a better conference, look for ways to get fans to travel to away games.

6 MAC football stadiums are less than 150 miles from Columbus. If tailgating at a MAC game was like a mini version of BigXII or SEC tailgates we'd have a good thing going. Just a few thousand more would make a big difference.

If memory serves me, the largest concentration of Bobcat alums is in Cowtown, from there here's the distance to our away games this year-

Buffalo- 334 miles
Lville- 211 miles
EMU- 184 miles
Akron- 128 miles
BGSU- 118 miles

just a thought.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 7:51:05 AM

C Money wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

The average OU student couldn't tell you where half of those schools are located.

Funny!

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 8:02:53 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

I think it would help this too if we were not a part of so many "MACtion" games. I would be much more likely to make a trip up I-75 to BG or up US 27 to Muncie on a Saturday than a Wednesday.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 10:50:45 AM

OUcats82 wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

I think it would help this too if we were not a part of so many "MACtion" games. I would be much more likely to make a trip up I-75 to BG or up US 27 to Muncie on a Saturday than a Wednesday.

I was saying that attendance would be a lot better if they played Saturday only games, but the only way our games get national t.v. coverage is on Tuesdays, Wednesday, and Thursdays at the end of the year. I would rather have games at 12pm on Saturday and have national coverage than having games on Wednesday nights.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 11:44:41 AM

Beyond fans getting to the games, who is going to pick up the expense of travel for OU teams to all of these sites? Yep, Ohio Athletics. We think of football and basketball, but all of the other sports needs to travel and that will be expensive. I wonder how much Marshall's travel budget increased when they joined "the elite" Conference USA after leaving the MAC?

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 11:49:59 AM

These threads always have that "Who'd rather be trapped on a desert island with -- Oprah or Martha Stewart" feel to them.

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 12:43:50 PM

Pataskala wrote:

These threads always have that "Who'd rather be trapped on a desert island with -- Oprah or Martha Stewart" feel to them.

That's a no brainer......Martha Stewart.

She would now how to make all kinds of food out of the little greenery there is, probably knows how to mix the sand up to make homes, and can probably speak all of the languages one would encounter in the desert!

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RE: New Big East

Posted: 1/4/2013 1:13:06 PM

Bobcats_828 wrote:

OUcats82 wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

I think it would help this too if we were not a part of so many "MACtion" games. I would be much more likely to make a trip up I-75 to BG or up US 27 to Muncie on a Saturday than a Wednesday.

weekday games are a challenge, especially when they start at 6pm like the EMU game did. Its interesting to look at WMU's schedule this year- 12 saturday games and only 1 home game in Nov. That's pretty ideal. Now they didn't have the best season but that one Nov home game was on 11/17 so they didn't even have to play the week of Thanksgiving, and the game was against a rival, EMU, but they only drew 10,388 for a sat 2pm game. Just unacceptable.

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